Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[Jettany]

I've made this post a few times but I'll just throw it out there again... the Rangers cap situation is tight but it's not dire. CapFriendly is your friend We're sitting at 13.4 million in cap space. Nemeth is not a Girardi/Staal level albatross sitting at +5 million.. the guy makes 2.5 mil a year, he's plenty movable. Don't get me wrong he hasn't been good here but teams love big defenseman, don't think youre getting anything for him but I don't see them having to attach some big premium to move him. A buyout is the simple option. Reaves is another one they can use to free up some money. Very realistically they can bump their cap space up to ~16 million.

It's entirely realistic to say the lineup is plenty affordable with:

Kreider Zib Panarin
Laf Chytil Kakko
Kravtsov Copp Vatrano
?- Goodrow- ?

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
? - Schneider

At that point you have some money left to decide between Blais, Motte, a cheap backup, a cheap D-man or 2. Moving Reaves opens that up even more. You have a few options already signed for some of those spots, at forward you still have Hunt or Brodz who could fill a 4th line role, the new guy Rydhal's an interesting question mark, at D you have a few prospects that could challenge for the spot. We have the ability to field a VERY strong roster next year. Just be smart with the term on these deals. Check the numbers, even next year when we need to re-sign Miller, Chytil and Laf we're looking pretty good!

The rangers need to add 6 forwards 2 defenseman 1 goalie to their capfriendly roster. That’s hard with 13+ million. In this day and age this is what gms get paid for.

 

[Machinehead]

Three things I notice about the Lightning

1) They haven't had a bad player on the ice since like 2013-14

2) They play good players a lot

3) When spots open up due to the cap, they promote their own guys and use acquisitions to fill the spots below

We use acquisitions to fill the spots above so our prospects can stay on the third line and never get any better. We wouldn't want them making a mistake, you know, as opposed to the Panarin line's safe and solid 34% xGF play.

All three of things are easy.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Three things I notice about the Lightning

1) They haven't had a bad player on the ice since like 2013-14

2) They play good players a lot

3) When spots open up due to the cap, they promote their own guys and use acquisitions to fill the spots below

We use acquisitions to fill the spots above so our prospects can stay on the third line and never get any better. We wouldn't want them making a mistake, you know, as opposed to the Panarin line's safe and solid 34% xGF play.

All three of things are easy.

Their pro and amateur scouting is among the best in the league. Seemingly only they can pull a Ross Colton out of their ass in the 4th round, a Point, Killorn, and Cirelli in the 3rd, and a guy named Palat (jabroni) in the 7th round.

Signing Bellemare and Perry as vet depth were also very shrewd moves. Ryan Getzlaf or Jason Spezza if they didn't retire would have been amazing signings for this Rangers team. C'est la vie.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Their pro and amateur scouting is among the best in the league. Seemingly only they can pull a Ross Colton out of their ass in the 4th round, a Point, Killorn, and Cirelli in the 3rd, and a guy named Palat (jabroni) in the 7th round.

Signing Bellemare and Perry as vet depth were also very shrewd moves. Ryan Getzlaf or Jason Spezza if they didn't retire would have been amazing signings for this Rangers team. C'est la vie.

Being competitive helps with the last part. Those guys usually sign for cheap with teams that have a shot. I bet we’ll see a few of those moves this summer (Stastny seems like a natural fit to the point where I’d be more surprised if it doesn’t happen.)

 

[Machinehead]

Their pro and amateur scouting is among the best in the league. Seemingly only they can pull a Ross Colton out of their ass in the 4th round, a Point, Killorn, and Cirelli in the 3rd, and a guy named Palat (jabroni) in the 7th round.

Signing Bellemare and Perry as vet depth were also very shrewd moves. Ryan Getzlaf or Jason Spezza if they didn't retire would have been amazing signings for this Rangers team. C'est la vie.

Yeah they've done things that aren't easy but putting good players on the ice once you have them is easy. We won the lottery twice and got handed Fox. We still have a deep prospect pool including Othmann which everyone hated at the time. We did the hard part.

Now we just need to stop playing goons and trading for randos just to bench young players. The Rangers are the kings of self sabotage.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Now that the NY Rangers season has, unfortunately, come to an end, the questions as to how the Rangers move forward and (hopefully) build on this playoff run have begun. Thank you for your posts, comments, etc. on here over the course of the season. Most were educational, entertaining, amusing, utter nonsense and "what the bleep was that?" LOL

I'm glad Kravtsov re-signed and is coming back to North America. Hopefully he's learned from the last couple of years and his head is in the right place.

Strome can NOT be brought back (too expensive anyway). It's obvious Georgiev will be gone; Copp wore down as the playoffs went on. Kind of would like him back but not at any price. Would like Motte back; Blais coming back from the ACL tear I wouldn't think would cost a lot.

Scratching Kakko last night was asinine. Whatever his future holds I don't know, but not getting a good feeling. He should be kept, but I doubt the organization has a lot of confidence in him, especially the head coach. In general, this franchise has a shitty track record of developing young elite forward talent. Most on the current elite forward talent roster was either signed as a UFA or traded for. Who was the last one they did develop, Alexei Kovalev 30 years ago? I have no confidence this organization can evaluate and develop such a player (if they somehow got Connor Bedard, they'd ruin him). If you're scratching Kakko and the guys coming out of the press box are Dryden Hunt and Kevin Rooney, you have issues and that's on GM Chris Drury (and the head coach needs to put them in the lineup and actually play them). They need better depth.

Panarin needs to adapt his game for the playoffs; he was useless vs the Lightning and Kreider wasn't much better. Will Kreider score 50+ goals again?

Overall, it was a great run for the team and hopefully they learned what they need to do and acquire to become a top Stanley Cup contender. They are still some pieces away from being a top Cup contender, and with little to no cap space for next season, the growth on this roster will likely have to come from within (and cheap Entry Level contracts). Moving out big cap numbers won't be easy (the salaries would have to match up like in the NBA); not many teams have cap space except the bottom feeders who wouldn't want a big contract back & those players wouldn't want to go there anyway and most of those guys have No Move Clauses, or at least limited No Trade Clauses.

How all of this works out will be interesting to see. Free agency and the Draft are about a month away.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Yeah they've done things that aren't easy but putting good players on the ice once you have them is easy. We won the lottery twice and got handed Fox. We still have a deep prospect pool including Othmann which everyone hated at the time. We did the hard part.

Now we just need to stop playing goons and trading for randos just to bench young players. The Rangers are the kings of self sabotage.

Right, you don't accomplish that by icing Kevin Rooney, Ryan Reaves, and Dryden Hunt every game.

I understood trading for Vatrano. This team needed a player badly that would shoot first and ask questions later. He's just ass on the other 2/3's of the ice. Othmann will likely come into camp and give you just about everything Vatrano gave this team but be a better forechecker. His defensive zone play will improve year by year I think. Cuylle also coming in and winning a spot over Hunt and Reaves would be a huge boon, but even then, the options for insulating the kids given the cap situation are going to be limited.

Bring Motte back. Don't repeat the same mistake as with Jesper Fast.

 

[Chaels Arms]

Their pro and amateur scouting is among the best in the league. Seemingly only they can pull a Ross Colton out of their ass in the 4th round, a Point, Killorn, and Cirelli in the 3rd, and a guy named Palat (jabroni) in the 7th round.

Signing Bellemare and Perry as vet depth were also very shrewd moves. Ryan Getzlaf or Jason Spezza if they didn't retire would have been amazing signings for this Rangers team. C'est la vie.

The difference is that Tampa can sign players like Maroon and Perry and have them play 8-12 minutes per game while players like Cirelli and Hagel play 16-20.

If we signed Pat Maroon and Corey Perry they would be playing 16-20 minutes per night and Cirelli and Hagel would be getting 8-12.

 

[B17 Apricots]

The rangers need to add 6 forwards 2 defenseman 1 goalie to their capfriendly roster. That’s hard with 13+ million. In this day and age this is what gms get paid for.

Great post bro

 

[rangersfansince08]

do the numbers show braun was good?

 

[I Eat Crow]

The difference is that Tampa can sign players like Maroon and Perry and have them play 8-12 minutes per game while players like Cirelli and Hagel play 16-20.

If we signed Pat Maroon and Corey Perry they would be playing 16-20 minutes per night and Cirelli and Hagel would be getting 8-12.

Which comes down to coaching...

 

[Payote75]

The experience they just got they are not going to go through adding more young developmental kids again in my opinion. They will keep most of this core intact and go after some more proven scoring and playoff two way grit.
I think
Lundquivst
Kravy
Jones
Robertson
Chytll
Kakko (hopefully not)
Will be used to acquire some of that talent one of Kakko or chytll will be moved on a 2c deal maybe with a dman to help Schneider. And some of the others can be used for a RW like Anderson resign motte Vetrano and Copp if they don't ask for the moon. Again this is a payoff roster type to me depending on who that 2c becomes

Bread Zib. Krieder (has to be done)
Laffy 2c Anderson
Blais Copp. Vetrano
Motte Goody Reaves
We know def pairings but Schneider will need a Chara like partner cheaper but still a stallworth.

You can attend to keep Chytll in 2c but is anyone a fan of that? And to get that 2c a package with chytll I assume or Kakko

To get Anderson the Canadians can get a package including lundquivst Jones Kravy etc not all 3 just a package like that we have plenty of moving parts.

My whole point is I think management is done with growing pains they aren't going to pair a 20 yr old with another 20 year old they aren't going to rush Othmanns there won't be kid excuse or experience next year just my opinion although I do love the above line up.

 

[JimmyG89]

Bring Motte back. Don't repeat the same mistake as with Jesper Fast.

I want the 8 wingers to be this on opening night:

Panarin
Kreider
Lafreniere
Kakko
Kravtsov
Motte
Blais
Othmann

To me, there is no reason to not have Othmann at least get his 9 games. Goodrow is also my 4C in this scenario. Go find that middle 6 center.

 

[Payote75]

I loved Kravy Im just not sure I trust him at this point. Also he isn't a 3rd line winger especially in the playoffs so who goes where laffy can no longer be effed with he needs to play LW. So if Bread 1st line and Kreider shifts to RW then Kakko or Kravy so someone needs to go and I am done ruining Kakko with 3rd line duties please no more.

 

[Machinehead]

Right, you don't accomplish that by icing Kevin Rooney, Ryan Reaves, and Dryden Hunt every game.

I understood trading for Vatrano. This team needed a player badly that would shoot first and ask questions later. He's just ass on the other 2/3's of the ice. Othmann will likely come into camp and give you just about everything Vatrano gave this team but be a better forechecker. His defensive zone play will improve year by year I think. Cuylle also coming in and winning a spot over Hunt and Reaves would be a huge boon, but even then, the options for insulating the kids given the cap situation are going to be limited.

Bring Motte back. Don't repeat the same mistake as with Jesper Fast.

I would be very here for just turning this team over to the kids with some combination of Chytil, Kakko, Kravtsov, Othmann, Cuylle, and Motte as a floater being most of your middle six.

Not Lafreniere because Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere please!

 

[DanielBrassard]

I would be very here for just turning this team over to the kids with some combination of Chytil, Kakko, Kravtsov, Othmann, Cuylle, and Motte as a floater being most of your middle six.

Not Lafreniere because Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere please!

At this point they need to give the kids the reigns, it's put up or shut up time. We have to see whether these guys are going to be able to lead this team in the future. If the Rangers aren't willing to do that they might as well trade them for Patrick Kane, JT MIller, Pastrnak, or whoever and go all in with the Panarin/Kreider/Zibanejad core for next year.

 

[huerter]

Three things I notice about the Lightning

1) They haven't had a bad player on the ice since like 2013-14

2) They play good players a lot

3) When spots open up due to the cap, they promote their own guys and use acquisitions to fill the spots below

We use acquisitions to fill the spots above so our prospects can stay on the third line and never get any better. We wouldn't want them making a mistake, you know, as opposed to the Panarin line's safe and solid 34% xGF play.

All three of things are easy.

I seem to remember Dan Girardi getting the dog shit label when he was here. Weird.

At this point they need to give the kids the reigns, it's put up or shut up time. We have to see whether these guys are going to be able to lead this team in the future. If the Rangers aren't willing to do that they might as well trade them for Patrick Kane, JT MIller, Pastrnak, or whoever and go all in with the Panarin/Kreider/Zibanejad core for next year.

We're chasing transformative excellence. That aint the route.

 

[CLW]

Their pro and amateur scouting is among the best in the league. Seemingly only they can pull a Ross Colton out of their ass in the 4th round, a Point, Killorn, and Cirelli in the 3rd, and a guy named Palat (jabroni) in the 7th round.

Signing Bellemare and Perry as vet depth were also very shrewd moves. Ryan Getzlaf or Jason Spezza if they didn't retire would have been amazing signings for this Rangers team. C'est la vie.

It's called good internal development plans and coaches who both a. know their X and O's and b. can teach X and O's. They are just smart in that organization. What a concept huh? We get Quinn and Gallant...

 

[Machinehead]

At this point they need to give the kids the reigns, it's put up or shut up time. We have to see whether these guys are going to be able to lead this team in the future. If the Rangers aren't willing to do that they might as well trade them for Patrick Kane, JT MIller, Pastrnak, or whoever and go all in with the Panarin/Kreider/Zibanejad core for next year.

So far, it seems like the Rangers graduated from the New York Yankees Academy of playing with your balls until prospects are 27 and then going "oh shit lol"

The key difference being, of course, that the Rangers won't have the cap space to just sign the guys they should have traded for.

I seem to remember Dan Girardi getting the dog shit label when he was here. Weird.

Tampa didn't play him 30 ass minutes a game.

 

[Synergy27]

This becomes a heck of a lot easier when we realize that the second line is already figured out. It’s the kid line. They were basically our first line in this playoffs, zero reason to think that they can’t be the second line moving forward.

I want to find a way out of Bread’s contract, but that’s not happening so just play him with Zib and Kreider.

We already have a plethora of bottom six pieces in Goodrow, Blais, Hunt and Reaves. A player like Kravtsov could be interesting, even in a third line role, given his ability to create on his own. Cuylle is knocking on the door. Othmann will be here soon, and can surely play a middle six role.

They need a cheap, fast center that can anchor the third line, a shutdown line in the playoffs, and fill in for FC when he’s hurt. The guy does not have to be flashy, just a straightforward, physical, two way player that can reliably win a draw. He doesn’t have to be 21yo or have “top 6 upside”.

Find me that player (I can still be convinced it is Copp pending injury updates) and a competent 7th defenseman to spell Jones/Schneider, and a somewhat reliable backup goalie.

We don’t need to get crazy. Keep moving in this direction. Let the chemistry continue to build, and trust in the growth of our young studs.

 

[NYR Viper]

Even if they promote the kid line, which they won’t, signing Copp to play with Kravtsov and Panarin is quite literally a no-brainer as long as his contract request is reasonable.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Goodrow
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kaako
Panarin-Copp-Kravtsov
Motte-______-Blais

This works very well. People want to see playoff success? Imagine other teams trying to matchup against this team

 

[mas0764]

Even if they promote the kid line, which they won’t, signing Copp to play with Kravtsov and Panarin is quite literally a no-brainer as long as his contract request is reasonable.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Goodrow
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kaako
Panarin-Copp-Kravtsov
Motte-______-Blais

This works very well. People want to see playoff success? Imagine other teams trying to matchup against this team

I like this if Copp is affordable enough. And there is no first line, second line, etc. Just play them evenly.

I do think I would put Kakko with Panarin, probably do Goodrow with Laf&Chytil, and Kravtsov with Zibanejad. Or swap Goodrow with Kakko.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Even if they promote the kid line, which they won’t, signing Copp to play with Kravtsov and Panarin is quite literally a no-brainer as long as his contract request is reasonable.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Goodrow
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kaako
Panarin-Copp-Kravtsov
Motte-______-Blais

This works very well. People want to see playoff success? Imagine other teams trying to matchup against this team

Swap Blais with Goodrow and sure. I don't even think Blais is that good but he's a better fit there. 4th line is simple Motte-Goodrow-Hunt.

 

[I Eat Crow]

This becomes a heck of a lot easier when we realize that the second line is already figured out. It’s the kid line. They were basically our first line in this playoffs, zero reason to think that they can’t be the second line moving forward.

I want to find a way out of Bread’s contract, but that’s not happening so just play him with Zib and Kreider.

We already have a plethora of bottom six pieces in Goodrow, Blais, Hunt and Reaves. A player like Kravtsov could be interesting, even in a third line role, given his ability to create on his own. Cuylle is knocking on the door. Othmann will be here soon, and can surely play a middle six role.

They need a cheap, fast center that can anchor the third line, a shutdown line in the playoffs, and fill in for FC when he’s hurt. The guy does not have to be flashy, just a straightforward, physical, two way player that can reliably win a draw. He doesn’t have to be 21yo or have “top 6 upside”.

Find me that player (I can still be convinced it is Copp pending injury updates) and a competent 7th defenseman to spell Jones/Schneider, and a somewhat reliable backup goalie.

We don’t need to get crazy. Keep moving in this direction. Let the chemistry continue to build, and trust in the growth of our young studs.

If Panarin is really going to be dogshit at even strength moving forward, I disagree completely. Don't let him bring Zib down.

I'd throw him on the third and let him feast on the awful match ups at home against bottom pairing defenses.

Even if they promote the kid line, which they won’t, signing Copp to play with Kravtsov and Panarin is quite literally a no-brainer as long as his contract request is reasonable.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Goodrow
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kaako
Panarin-Copp-Kravtsov
Motte-______-Blais

This works very well. People want to see playoff success? Imagine other teams trying to matchup against this team

Goodrow down to center the 4th line, Laf up to 1 RW, Othmann in Laf's old spot. Now you're cooking.

 

[huerter]

Even if they promote the kid line, which they won’t, signing Copp to play with Kravtsov and Panarin is quite literally a no-brainer as long as his contract request is reasonable.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Goodrow
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kaako
Panarin-Copp-Kravtsov
Motte-______-Blais

This works very well. People want to see playoff success? Imagine other teams trying to matchup against this team

What do you mean by promote?