Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[BobMarleyNYR]

I’ve seen some Chicago fans think Dach is a bust, not sure i’d move a lot for him

Kakko's looks more bustworthy...

 

[Fitzy]

Andrew Copp is historically a 20-30 point player with 1 50 point season. Fast ? No Goal scorer? No, Grinder? No, playmaker? No. Good overall 3rd liner? Yes. I’m not paying 5 million plus for that.

He scores at a third line level when given third line minutes, and a second line level while getting 2nd line minutes.

That's not that groundbreaking.

Unless some better option jumps off the page at 2C...

 

[RagFinMet]

"The eye test and publicly available analytics align here. The Kids were intact for 140:19 through the tournament, posting positive numbers in every category, on for 10 goals for and five against for a plus-five. They were even better in the final two rounds, per Natural Stat Trick, recording a 56.83 Corsi rating, a 64.62 shot share, a 61.83 xGF rate, a 58.02 share of scoring chances while on for seven goals for and none — none — against."

Thank you Gerard for barely playing them. Just brilliant coaching.

THANK YOU
I've been waiting for someone to post these stats
I dont usually pay attention to analytics but i had the feeling they would prove my eyes weren't deceiving me
It's ashame they didnt finish much but they were the best "shut down" line in the POs
Now sign Kk and keep these kids together for 20 mins a game next year!
The goals will come

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

With who and what?

Hell if I WOULD know...

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Dump Nemeth, Strome....Can Bergeron be had for 2 years???

He can if you want to overwhelm him with AAV. And dumping Nemeth and letting Strome walk doesn't get them there capwise

 

[kinger8998]

Agree. He came in to the party having fun, throwing some east-west saucers.
But he really didn’t provide anything besides that funny comment he made to Drury after beating Carolina.

I think l, although I say I have a feeling they will resign him...it would he a colossal miscalcuation. I let him and Strome walk, consider resigning Motte and maybe Vatrano if they're cheap enough, and use the cap savings to add smartly during offseason or deadline. Chyitl Lafreniere and Kakko proved with postseason performance, either as a line or on separate lines, they're ready for bigger roles

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Wrong.

OK

 

[Number 9]

I would like to keep Motte, Copp, and Vatrano. With Kratsov aboard all I would want is a new back-up goalie and an upgrade to Nemeth and Braun for the 6th spot. I would be happy with our roster, If it's possible cap wise.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Andrew Copp is historically a 20-30 point player with 1 50 point season. Fast ? No Goal scorer? No, Grinder? No, playmaker? No. Good overall 3rd liner? Yes. I’m not paying 5 million plus for that.

I think we’re so desperate to see Strome replaced that, we’re looking at anyone as an upgrade.

Copp was good here. But is he worth 5+/5+? Probably not, even if we can somehow afford him.

Chytil really broke out these playoffs. Is he the guy we hoped he was? It certainly would simplify this off-season if so.

 

[SA16]

The guy played on 1 ankle and we all saw how drastically better the PK was when Goodrow and Motte were back in the lineup. We didn't need Goodrow to score goals, his job was to make the other team earn their ice.

We do need him to score goals. You want a depth fourth line that never scores? He doesn't need to score 20 goals. He needs to chip in occasionally. Moote, Reaves, Goodrow, Rooney, Brodzinski, Hunt combined for 1 5v5 point in 615 playoff minutes. Tampa doesn't have a single full time forward with less than 2 5v5 pts this playoffs. Colorado sort of has 1 in Aube-Kubel in 12 games.

He also was on the ice for 5 PPG against in 9 games. I wouldn't call that good.

 

[Savant]

Kakko's looks more bustworthy...

Kakko to me at least is useful as a checking line forward. He has a role in the NHL. Dach if he isn’t top six C is useless.

I’m not expecting great value if Kakko is moved but they need to get NHL level value back.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

I love all the Rangers fans wanting Patty Kane. Besides his contract and age how does he fix our problems? He won't fit on the Power Play unless we go back to taking our best shooter (Ziba) and move him from the LW side to the bumper position. So you either get a negative to Ziba or you are moving Kane out of his position of success or Panarin.

 

[NYR Viper]

Copp is a really good piece for this team moving forward. I’m not sure what people were watching. He’s a good 2-way player who can play 2C or play a really good 3C should Chytil blow the doors off. Having that depth at center is more important than at wing and if a year or two from now it means Kreider is traded than that’s a good trade off based on what the team needs.

Lafreniere
Kreider
Panarin
Kravtsov
Kaako
Goodrow/Blais

Barring a major shake-up the top-9 wingers are set.

Zibanejad
Copp
Chytil

The top-9 centers will be set.

That leaves a couple of 4th line spots open, preferably guys who can skate well and provide some good possession numbers. I’d LOVE Motte back. He’s a perfect fit for this team and what it needs. I think they can make it worth cap wise but Reaves may need to go.

On defense, I’m looking for 2 guys in the Brendan Smith/Zach Bogosian mold. Guys who play a simple game but can skate well. Braun would be a good re-sign for 1 of the spots if he’s take a reasonable deal.

 

[B17 Apricots]

I've made this post a few times but I'll just throw it out there again... the Rangers cap situation is tight but it's not dire. CapFriendly is your friend We're sitting at 13.4 million in cap space. Nemeth is not a Girardi/Staal level albatross sitting at +5 million.. the guy makes 2.5 mil a year, he's plenty movable. Don't get me wrong he hasn't been good here but teams love big defenseman, don't think youre getting anything for him but I don't see them having to attach some big premium to move him. A buyout is the simple option. Reaves is another one they can use to free up some money. Very realistically they can bump their cap space up to ~16 million.

It's entirely realistic to say the lineup is plenty affordable with:

Kreider Zib Panarin
Laf Chytil Kakko
Kravtsov Copp Vatrano
?- Goodrow- ?

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
? - Schneider

At that point you have some money left to decide between Blais, Motte, a cheap backup, a cheap D-man or 2. Moving Reaves opens that up even more. You have a few options already signed for some of those spots, at forward you still have Hunt or Brodz who could fill a 4th line role, the new guy Rydhal's an interesting question mark, at D you have a few prospects that could challenge for the spot. We have the ability to field a VERY strong roster next year. Just be smart with the term on these deals. Check the numbers, even next year when we need to re-sign Miller, Chytil and Laf we're looking pretty good!

 

[NYR Viper]

I think we’re so desperate to see Strome replaced that, we’re looking at anyone as an upgrade.

Copp was good here. But is he worth 5+/5+? Probably not, even if we can somehow afford him.

Chytil really broke out these playoffs. Is he the guy we hoped he was? It certainly would simplify this off-season if so.

Yes, Copp is worth about $5m per season. Even if he is scoring at a 50-55 point pace during that time which I think he can exceed here.

Why is the decision Chytil or Copp? Really it’s probably Copp or Trouba/Kreider as if the young guys get expensive eventually they’re contracts change to NTC’s

 

[Doctyl]

Copp is a really good piece for this team moving forward. I’m not sure what people were watching. He’s a good 2-way player who can play 2C or play a really good 3C should Chytil blow the doors off. Having that depth at center is more important than at wing and if a year or two from now it means Kreider is traded than that’s a good trade off based on what the team needs.

Lafreniere
Kreider
Panarin
Kravtsov
Kaako
Goodrow/Blais

Barring a major shake-up the top-9 wingers are set.

Zibanejad
Copp
Chytil

The top-9 centers will be set.

That leaves a couple of 4th line spots open, preferably guys who can skate well and provide some good possession numbers. I’d LOVE Motte back. He’s a perfect fit for this team and what it needs. I think they can make it worth cap wise but Reaves may need to go.

On defense, I’m looking for 2 guys in the Brendan Smith/Zach Bogosian mold. Guys who play a simple game but can skate well. Braun would be a good re-sign for 1 of the spots if he’s take a reasonable deal.

Agreed on this. The Copp hate here is really head scratching. I wouldn’t pay him 6 per but low 5 hopefully under 5 would be easy to sign up for

 

[Mac n Gs]

Can we stop trying to meme Kakko for Dach proposals? The trading Kakko talk is so unbelievably dumb and reactionary

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Yes, Copp is worth about $5m per season. Even if he is scoring at a 50-55 point pace during that time which I think he can exceed here.

Why is the decision Chytil or Copp? Really it’s probably Copp or Trouba/Kreider as if the young guys get expensive eventually they’re contracts change to NTC’s

Agreed on this. The Copp hate here is really head scratching. I wouldn’t pay him 6 per but low 5 hopefully under 5 would be easy to sign up for

I don’t think anyone is hating on Copp. He played very well here.

It’s really the contract that worries me. He’ll be 28 this summer. He’s not signing a 3-4 year deal. He’s going to want term and that worries me.

 

[kinger8998]

Agreed on this. The Copp hate here is really head scratching. I wouldn’t pay him 6 per but low 5 hopefully under 5 would be easy to sign up for

Copp will be AT LEAST 5 million. 5 flat would be considered a discount. Not sure I totally consider that the smartest allocation of 5 million. It's not hate, its cap management, something that SCREWED that Rangers chances in their last window.

Panarin drives play, Kakko also does from the other wing. I don't see any centre really having a major issue between them. No sense paying someone 5 million when its possible Chytil becomes 2C and needs a raise from the modest salary he's paid now.

I like Copp, but I don't want him resigned at 5+ million, which it will take. If someone does pass him on depth chart (Chytil), 5 million is a massive overpayment for a 3C

 

[WojtekWolski86]

We do need him to score goals. You want a depth fourth line that never scores? He doesn't need to score 20 goals. He needs to chip in occasionally. Moote, Reaves, Goodrow, Rooney, Brodzinski, Hunt combined for 1 5v5 point in 615 playoff minutes. Tampa doesn't have a single full time forward with less than 2 5v5 pts this playoffs. Colorado sort of has 1 in Aube-Kubel in 12 games.

He also was on the ice for 5 PPG against in 9 games. I wouldn't call that good.

Cirelli has 5 points. Is he ineffective? What about Hagel and his 5 points? The 4th line of Maroon (4) and Bellemaire (3) is that much better?

It wasn't depth scoring that was the problem. Guys have roles and Tampa's displays that the best. Their checking line shut us down they weren't asked to provide depth scoring.

So pointing to Goodrow or the band of misfits Gallant threw on the 4th line as an answer to our "offense" isn't the problem. The problem is Gallant failed to create and effectice checking 4th line and our best analytics line got the same ice time as our worst analytics line.

Singling out Goodrow makes zero sense when he wasn't signed to carry a line.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don’t think anyone is hating on Copp. He played very well here.

It’s really the contract that worries me. He’ll be 28 this summer. He’s not signing a 3-4 year deal. He’s going to want term and that worries me.

This team is within a window of competing. Signing a 28 year old center who they know fits well with the team on and off the ice is a good move. If he were 30, it would be a different animal. And again, we need to remember that the backside of any contract for him will be in a cap environment where a $5m cap hit will seem more like a $4-4.25m cap hit when the cap jumps.

 

[B17 Apricots]

I think this last series has tainted how people view Copp a bit.. since coming here he was a point per game player in the regular season for us, up until the Tampa series he was a hair under a point per game in the playoffs. That line completely fell apart but Copps been really solid for us.. something along the lines of Sam Bennet at 4.5$ X 4 years should be the target, but probably wishful, McCanns numbers are incredibly similar and got 5$ X 5 years this season. Should fall somewhere around there.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Drury scratched him, obviously... signs a guy who twice abandoned the team. Two and two, man...

Incorrect.

 

[NYR Viper]

Copp will be AT LEAST 5 million. 5 flat would be considered a discount. Not sure I totally consider that the smartest allocation of 5 million. It's not hate, its cap management, something that SCREWED that Rangers chances in their last window.

Panarin drives play, Kakko also does from the other wing. I don't see any centre really having a major issue between them. No sense paying someone 5 million when its possible Chytil becomes 2C and needs a raise from the modest salary he's paid now.

I like Copp, but I don't want him resigned at 5+ million, which it will take. If someone does pass him on depth chart (Chytil), 5 million is a massive overpayment for a 3C

By the time Chytil May be ready to move up, the cap will be increasing and that $5m cap hit won’t be the same percentage of the cap. And allocating that money to a very good center when the organization has what appears to be an abundance of skilled wingers coming of age shortly is a better allocation than one on wing or defense.

 

[DuneGoon84]

I've made this post a few times but I'll just throw it out there again... the Rangers cap situation is tight but it's not dire. CapFriendly is your friend We're sitting at 13.4 million in cap space. Nemeth is not a Girardi/Staal level albatross sitting at +5 million.. the guy makes 2.5 mil a year, he's plenty movable. Don't get me wrong he hasn't been good here but teams love big defenseman, don't think youre getting anything for him but I don't see them having to attach some big premium to move him. A buyout is the simple option. Reaves is another one they can use to free up some money. Very realistically they can bump their cap space up to ~16 million.

It's entirely realistic to say the lineup is plenty affordable with:

Kreider Zib Panarin
Laf Chytil Kakko
Kravtsov Copp Vatrano
?- Goodrow- ?

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
? - Schneider

At that point you have some money left to decide between Blais, Motte, a cheap backup, a cheap D-man or 2. Moving Reaves opens that up even more. You have a few options already signed for some of those spots, at forward you still have Hunt or Brodz who could fill a 4th line role, the new guy Rydhal's an interesting question mark, at D you have a few prospects that could challenge for the spot. We have the ability to field a VERY strong roster next year. Just be smart with the term on these deals. Check the numbers, even next year when we need to re-sign Miller, Chytil and Laf we're looking pretty good!

Blais is wayyy better than Vatrano.. He offers more to the table. Vatrano is the odd man out