Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[Avery16]

Giroux is going to Colorado. Book it.

Dat you, Ricky?

 

[bobbop]

I don’t know. That’s what Bobbop said he heard from his scout friend. Also, I don’t know what that has to do with where he might be traded this season, other than cost?

Clarification…I did not say anything about Giroux wanting to be close to home. Have not heard that, but it makes some sense.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Didn’t we give them Lundmark, Brendl and Johnson for Lindros? We made out pretty well on that one.

Replace Jan Hlavac for Lundmark for the Lindros trade.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Clarification…I did not say anything about Giroux wanting to be close to home. Have not heard that, but it makes some sense.

Sorry for misquoting you. My mistake. I confused Paulie Walnutz post with yours.

 

[smoneil]

Didn’t we give them Lundmark, Brendl and Johnson for Lindros? We made out pretty well on that one.

Brendl, Johnsson, and Hlavic, I think. Lundmark stuck around for a bit longer to give us offseason hope and preseason despair. Looked him up--Lundmark just retired like four years ago.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Here’s to hoping this comes to fruition.

That organization is so toxic right now that no one else will interview there.

 

[Boris Zubov]

That organization is so toxic right now that no one else will interview there.

God I hope they hire him.

 

[bobbop]

God willing!

 

[Barnaby]

Talking to some friends back from Vegas and confirmed what we all know, the Rangers have inquired about all of the names we have seen speculated. Two nuggets I was given.

1. Vegas is stepping up efforts to move players. Martinez is back this week and Eichel is getting close. They are driving a hard bargain but there are only so many landing spots available.

2. Unprompted comment from NHL scout…don’t discount Giroux to the Rangers. He would make them a very serious contender. He is the one difference maker who could change teams.

Re Giroux, This is not what expected to hear but certainly interesting.

Stay tuned. NHL trade deadline 43 days away.

Thanks for the information. I still see Pavelski as a more likely target, but Giroux is interesting.

 

[Paul Padovano]

Chytil would benefit from 1) regular line mates and 2) if those line mates were more skilled than Goodrow and say Gauthier.

Yea ppl are saying Chytil is no Buch, but let's see a consistent KZC line, and see if he puts it together. Yea, I know it's never gonna happen. Just sayin.

 

[Hire Sather]

Chytil might not be an NHL player.

One of the last forwards on this roster that I'd put on the top line.

Sorry, we're not Buffalo here. No we're not an elite team yet, but we've played too well to f*** around and put Fil Chytil on the top line.

 

[Paul Padovano]

I love Kakko but it would have been ideal to have Hughes and Laf

but it is what it is

I mentioned this on the "Laf vs KK; Who do you have more faith in" thread, and guys were getting disgusted, saying to go look at the standings. I mentioned Zegras as well as Hughes, but what you're having to understand, not according to me, is that both center men play on crappy teams, and get more ice time. Hence the apparent negative correlation (ie, The better the team, the less productive Kakko, and vice versa.).

 

[Paul Padovano]

Brendl, Johnsson, and Hlavic, I think. Lundmark stuck around for a bit longer to give us offseason hope and preseason despair. Looked him up--Lundmark just retired like four years ago.

Btw, this wasn't the comment (it was an earlier one,) but my bad, u were right. Chytil played on the second top line, and did put up 4 pts in 5 gp, before they went back to Hunt at right wing I guess.

 

[Paul Padovano]

It was more than that one game. He had 5 games with that line, putting up points in four of them (and still playing well in the 5th).

The most logical thing for them to do, when fully healthy (in my opinion), is to have two scoring lines (Kreider/Zib/Laf and Bread/Strome/Chytil), a shut-down line (Goodrow/Moore/Kakko) and a 4th/checking line (Hunt/Rooney/Reaves). That way, each line has a clear identity. They just need to get that 3rd line on the ice more often than they have the last two years. Next year, assuming Strome prices himself out of the mix, I'd run Bread/Zib/Laf as the first line and Kreider/Chytil/Kakko as the second line. We know from past lines that Kreider/Chytil and Chytil/Kakko work well. Put them together and see what happens.

This was the comment I was referring too.

 

[bbny]

Just read through the main boards J.T Miller thread. I need a barf bag.

I looked and I shouldn't have. I read something about Laf/1st/2nd for Miller and I think I should probably go get tested for AIDS now.

 

[Paul Padovano]

I looked and I shouldn't have. I read something about Laf/1st/2nd for Miller and I think I should probably go get tested for AIDS now.

Me neither. That's sufficient. The ignorant Xenophobic garbage is foul enough.

 

[MrPodz]

If your doctor has given you 6 months to live then I’ll go with you brother

So I have already gotten like two negative responses and probably more feel the same way. Im not going to attack or belittle. Quite frankly, I am putting perspective into what buying means. Im also putting into perspective the fact that the same players most people on this board want will have the highest prices because they are the cream of this year's tdl crop.
If your preffered moves are small and you want the team to grow organically, that's fine. However, we know two things: you cant keep all your young players and dolan made the message quite clear. I dont care how you feel about this team's chances, dolan and company most likely feel that a lethal pp with unreal goaltending can be bolstered further by depth additions. Normally, I would say wait and see.

This is not the case right now. You are in a unique position where you can keep laf, kakko, miller, schneider, otthman and still have assets to add. Next year will quite literally be cap hell. This year is their best chance at flexibility and if they add heavy, I dont blame them. There is a lot of parity in the league and if you can manage the cap, that slight advantage can help you go further than most think.

Our top six is not the issue when we have our 2nd and 1st overall filling a spot alongside our vets. The bottom six is. Obviously, since they are young, laf and kakko will be inconsitent, make mistakes, and probably do some head scratching choices.

Keep in mind we are (if memory serves) the 3rd youngest team in the league. You think they'll do well in the playoffs? They will get slaughtered by inexperience. Shesty might steal a game or two but you need hungry players who came close to winning it all because the bottom six is monumental in the playoffs. Fwiw goodrow played 2nd line minutes for tb in the playoffs. Imagine him on a line with pavelski and lekohnen? That'd be formidable. I dont even think our 4th will be that good but 3 lines and shesty should make up for that.

 

[kovazub94]

We use D+ because it lets us compare seasons. 6 months here is still an entirely different draft class.
Its the only way to accurately compare years. Robertson got to go to a rangers prospect camp a year earlier, he got to do traverse city. Schneider had none of those in his first draft year.
And again, Schneider is in the NHL and a solid top 4 option right now, anything you believe with robertson is still just projection. Thats the difference between an A prospect and B.

How long you’re going to use D+ in your reference? Both defenseman made it to the AHL at the same time and as noted - barely half year apart. Your post was fine without noting draft year difference.

 

[kovazub94]

Chytil might not be an NHL player.

One of the last forwards on this roster that I'd put on the top line.

Sorry, we're not Buffalo here. No we're not an elite team yet, but we've played too well to f*** around and put Fil Chytil on the top line.

Did you get cut off or something? A 22 who’s played full time in the NHL for the last 3 seasons is not an NHL player???

 

[Avery16]

Chytil might not be an NHL player.

One of the last forwards on this roster that I'd put on the top line.

Sorry, we're not Buffalo here. No we're not an elite team yet, but we've played too well to f*** around and put Fil Chytil on the top line.

Haven’t we played Hunt up there?

 

[Machinehead]

I get the gripes with Chytil. He very rarely shows any apparent skill, never plays physical, and generally just kind of skates around existing.

That being said, not that I think Chytil is a world-beater, it may be time to ask ourselves why every forward prospect since the letter looks exactly like that.

 

[MrAlmost]

I get the gripes with Chytil. He very rarely shows any apparent skill, never plays physical, and generally just kind of skates around existing.

That being said, not that I think Chytil is a world-beater, it may be time to ask ourselves why every forward prospect since the letter looks exactly like that.

Because the Rangers want every player to be a complete player. They want them to focus on the defensive side of the puck.

Problem with that is that some players just can't do it. Or, just aren't meant for it. So it stagnates their offensive development and you end up with players that shouldn't have been playing defense cause they are offensive minded, but now don't process the game fast enough offensively cause they have focused too much on something they can't do.

There is a way to start hitting on the players you draft though, and thats to draft those types of players from the get go. Berard, Cuylle, Othmann, Grubbe, etc.

 

[Machinehead]

Because the Rangers want every player to be a complete player. They want them to focus on the defensive side of the puck.

Problem with that is that some players just can't do it. Or, just aren't meant for it. So it stagnates their offensive development and you end up with players that shouldn't have been playing defense cause they are offensive minded, but now don't process the game fast enough offensively cause they have focused too much on something they can't do.

There is a way to start hitting on the players you draft though, and thats to draft those types of players from the get go. Berard, Cuylle, Othmann, Grubbe, etc.

While I certainly agree that the Rangers will die on the hill of "play the right way," we've also bred a corps of forwards that's wretched defensively and plays the neutral zone like it's on fire.

The problem seems to be that the Rangers don't get what the right way is.

 

[leetch99]

I dont know why but in my mind Giroux would be a great mentor for Laffy.

Who are Vegas looking to ship out? Karlsson or Smith? Like I've said before, I wouldn't mind getting a 3rd team involved to eat cap to make Karlsson's long term cap hit more palatable.... but R.Smith has always made sense. He would help the top6 forecheck as well and be a suitable Buch replacement

If Bergeron was available I would sooner pay for him to tutor Laf then Giroux . A big if....I know . I would actually sooner wait until next year and make an offer to Bergeron...a two year deal and he cost us no assets as a UFA . Again...if available in the dream LOL ....It's my dream....so you know how that goes haha....

 

[MrAlmost]

While I certainly agree that the Rangers will die on the hill of "play the right way," we've also bred a corps of forwards that's wretched defensively and plays the neutral zone like it's on fire.

The problem seems to be that the Rangers don't get what the right way is.

Fair point. I think, also, it is speed. These players are not fast themselves and don't move the puck fast either. Too many stick handles, too slow in their stride. We need some f***ing skating coaches. Like, a lot of them. And some skills coaches. Real ones. Not Glass and Ruutu.

I saw Lundmark mentioned earlier. I always felt like that was what kept him out of the NHL as well. He was the victim of an NHL that evolved speed wise exponentially from when he was drafted to post-lockout and he just couldn't keep up. I think if he would have been drafted 10 years earlier, he would have been a regular NHLer.