Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[Idlerlee]

Chytil has 73 hits in 224 games.

I dont think he needs to be a dominant physical presence but that's just too soft. He has all these tools that we all hope he can put it together but we cant just ignore the warts. There's no doubt in my mind he can become a solid player, but are we going to drag him along until his mid-late 20's or until he gets there?

Legitimately, how hard is it to shoulder a player on the opposing team? I am amazed that he hits so little

 

[NYR Viper]

You say slide to wing as needed but does it? We’ve bitched and moaned about not getting opportunities to Lafreniere and Kakko. Where do we slide Strome to and what minutes would he get (take away from kids)? Again, to me $5.3m for Strome is far from overpayment for his services but that $5.3m is a detriment to cap hit even if Drury can figure out how to fit it in.

I think it’s important to remember that the cap will be going up and when it does, it will go quickly. Maybe years 1-2 it will be tight but as the players pay the owners back, it’s going to bump up considerably. It’s going to make these longer term deal, like Strome and Goodrow and others, much easier to stomach. Moving Strome to the 3C or 3RW to help drive offense there won’t be as much of a concern if Kaako and Lafreniere take steps forward.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I think it’s important to remember that the cap will be going up and when it does, it will go quickly. Maybe years 1-2 it will be tight but as the players pay the owners back, it’s going to bump up considerably. It’s going to make these longer term deal, like Strome and Goodrow and others, much easier to stomach. Moving Strome to the 3C or 3RW to help drive offense there won’t be as much of a concern if Kaako and Lafreniere take steps forward.

That thought process is what got TOR stuck in the situation they're in.
Its better to be conservative with the cap than expect jumps.

 

[Barnaby]

Chytil would benefit from 1) regular line mates and 2) if those line mates were more skilled than Goodrow and say Gauthier.

Im pretty much done making excuses for Chytil

 

[Lgrsean]

The "something somethings" you glossed over are what people generally refer to as "facts." I did all of the work and gave them to you. Your response was the rhetorical equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears. The roster you suggested is 99% unlikely to work under the cap. This is literally how this conversation has been going:

Great movie.

Do you think the Rangers shouldn't resign Strome?

 

[duhmetreE]

Chytil would benefit from 1) regular line mates and 2) if those line mates were more skilled than Goodrow and say Gauthier.

Chytil would benefit playing like he's shown he could play. He is at his best when he's a puck hound. His finishing has also been almost as bad as Gauthiers.... which is normally not like him.

He was a good-great finisher the previous years.

Chytil needs to develop his 2 way game. Top6 should not even be a thought until he builds a foundation, like Kakko and Laffy have been forced to do.

 

[jay from jersey]

I think it’s important to remember that the cap will be going up and when it does, it will go quickly. Maybe years 1-2 it will be tight but as the players pay the owners back, it’s going to bump up considerably. It’s going to make these longer term deal, like Strome and Goodrow and others, much easier to stomach. Moving Strome to the 3C or 3RW to help drive offense there won’t be as much of a concern if Kaako and Lafreniere take steps forward.

that’s not gonna happen.... and you def don’t want a 5 plus mill RW/LW on 3rd line for years....
Strome pretty much has to go in order for this team to be more complete and get better.
It might be 1 step back to go 2 steps fwd....
Yes you’re losing his production, but you’re also losing his cap hit to bring in a better 2-Way center that meshes better as a1-2 punch with zibby.

next season you’re pretty much committed to LaF/kakko in the top 6, unless your planning on trading 1.

kreider-Zibby—LaF/Kakko
Panarin-Trade—LaF/kakko
Goodrow-Barron-Blais
Hunt-New UFA( Jarnkrok?)-Reaves
Ex Gettinger

lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Cheap vet

Shesty
Halak/Greiss

Rooney and chytil are likely gone. Chytil will most likely be traded, and Rooney will price himself out...
Geo gone for many reasons... mainly, he won’t be worth his QA.
Odds are, your hoping Cuylle/Berard/Othmann could come in and start getting 3rd line reps the following year.
Robertson will likely also make 1 of our LD available at this time.. likely 1 of Lindgren/miller when they are both due for raises..
I’d sign someone like Jarnkrok to center 4th line short term...
Rooney will likely get more term/cap elsewhere.
Getting a Larkin type, even a Gourde type to center 2nd line is a way better option then strome.
It allows one of LaF/kakko to assume a permanent role on PP1, so the PP shouldn’t suffer.
There should also be an uptick in points because we’re hoping kakko and LaF are a year better and more seasoned.
I feel we might now have a better team in the standings next season then we do currently, but we’ll still be a playoff team, and better in the long run....

 

[Alluckks]

Consider the source but still

 

[jay from jersey]

Consider the source but still

the drunk out on the corner of 34th street can tell you that..... no matter how many Van fans try to wish it into reality..
You trade from surplus, not unicorns ( unless they force their way out)

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I think theres a buy period, a wait and see, and a sell period. We did the sell period. This summer we did the wait and see period. Does the buy now ensue?

Otthman intrigues me because, at the very least, he should not be in the ohl next season. However, i dont know that he would be ready for an nhl tour. He will get his nine games in, but personally I think its how he deals with his summer. He will need to pack on some more muscle. He plays a tough game and can make quick plays, whilst having a howzer of a shot. That being said, him playing a tough game might make it harder for him if hes unable to win those board battles.

Chytil is wierd because I do think there's a breakout season for him, but I dont believe it will be here. Why do I think so? Well, hes never been good on faceoffs, isn't the best at defense, and isn't much of a center in my eyes. He seriously looks like a wing that needs top six players to function well. I just dont see him taking it over laf( who has been playing great on the 1st) and on the 2nd, where i envision kakko will gladly take his spot there. That means chytil is the piece you move.

You also have kravstov, who might play a game here but I don't know if he will rebuild that relationship with drury. I also dont know if he will complain for more ice time (and actually get it). So now you have pieces in kravstov, chytil, your 1st, 2 2nds, and your pick of jones/lundkvist, with b/c prospects like robertson, reunanen and pajuniemi.

You can over pay for retention. Retention costs a lot in the league, and we have the pieces to add to it. It's not 1994 and we arent trading every piece we have for a cup. But we should add. Id look for arturri lekhonen to start. Id trade a 2nd, gauthier and robertson for him. By the way, schneider isnt untouchable but he might as well be in the ranger's eyes. Moving on, you need to put a good player next to lekhonen. That means you keep chytil for now and see if he can produce with a better player than gauthier. Gauthier should be a throw in for maybe a rental. Personally, id go pavelski. If you're a buyer, you rent. We need to fill that 3rd lw spot for now and pavelski can play center or wing depending on chytil's abilities. What would pavelski cost? Youre not going to like it. My guess is a first, a second and probably lundkvist. Add more if youre looking for klingberg too. Thats kravstov and nemeth as well. Although, im pretty sure klingberg is a rd, but it does makes sense if he leads the offense with schneider paired to his hip.

Another option is girioux. Hes a francshise player and we're in the same division. That cost will be more. Think a 1st, kravstov, and probably lundkvist or a 2nd and robertson. It's steep but you get a great 5v5 player who has thrived playing with bums.

This is a contending roster:

Kreider-zib-laf
Panarin-strome-kakko
Pavelski/giroux-chytil-lekohnen
Reaves-rooney-blais*(i think he will be back for playoffs, but we will see, he is stilla great playoff performer and we will need that).

Lindgren-fox
Trouba-miller
Klingberg/nemeth(yuck)/another trade option- schneider

If your doctor has given you 6 months to live then I’ll go with you brother

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Consider the source but still

If you’re starting a statement with “it doesn’t need to be said”, then don’t say it is my rule.

 

[smoneil]

Great movie.

Do you think the Rangers shouldn't resign Strome?

If they had the cap to sign him, I wouldn't be opposed to it (though I do think we need a more rugged "Dubinsky" type center on one of those middle six lines as well). I just don't see him skipping his first and possibly only chance at a big payday. People here are projecting him signing a contract for 1m more (or not even a million more) than what he makes now, and he has drastically out-performed his current contract. Ultimately, I think the Rangers will be closer to contender status in a year or two, and that they will have the cap space in a couple years to go out and get the center they need then.

 

[smoneil]

the drunk out on the corner of 34th street can tell you that..... no matter how man Van fans try to wish it into reality..
You trade from surplus, not unicorns ( unless they force their way out)

I think the drunk on the corner IS the Vancouver fanbase. That's the only thing that explains some of their expectations (I literally saw one of their fans panning the idea of Miller for Laf, Schneider, and a 1st).

 

[IDvsEGO]

I think the drunk on the corner IS the Vancouver fanbase. That's the only thing that explains some of their expectations (I literally saw one of their fans panning the idea of Miller for Laf, Schneider, and a 1st).

I thought it was kakko,schneider,othmann and a 1st.

 

[jay from jersey]

I think the drunk on the corner IS the Vancouver fanbase. That's the only thing that explains some of their expectations (I literally saw one of their fans panning the idea of Miller for Laf, Schneider, and a 1st).

Most of them have missed their medication...

 

[jay from jersey]

that’s not gonna happen.... and you def don’t want a 5 plus mill RW/LW on 3rd line for years....
Strome pretty much has to go in order for this team to be more complete and get better.
It might be 1 step back to go 2 steps fwd....
Yes you’re losing his production, but you’re also losing his cap hit to bring in a better 2-Way center that meshes better as a1-2 punch with zibby.

next season you’re pretty much committed to LaF/kakko in the top 6, unless your planning on trading 1.

kreider-Zibby—LaF/Kakko
Panarin-Trade—LaF/kakko
Goodrow-Barron-Blais
Hunt-New UFA( Jarnkrok?)-Reaves
Ex Gettinger

lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Cheap vet

Shesty
Halak/Greiss

Rooney and chytil are likely gone. Chytil will most likely be traded, and Rooney will price himself out...
Geo gone for many reasons... mainly, he won’t be worth his QA.
Odds are, your hoping Cuylle/Berard/Othmann could come in and start getting 3rd line reps the following year.
Robertson will likely also make 1 of our LD available at this time.. likely 1 of Lindgren/miller when they are both due for raises..
I’d sign someone like Jarnkrok to center 4th line short term...
Rooney will likely get more term/cap elsewhere.
Getting a Larkin type, even a Gourde type to center 2nd line is a way better option then strome.
It allows one of LaF/kakko to assume a permanent role on PP1, so the PP shouldn’t suffer.
There should also be an uptick in points because we’re hoping kakko and LaF are a year better and more seasoned.
I feel we might now have a better team in the standings next season then we do currently, but we’ll still be a playoff team, and better in the long run....

how the f*** Do people think Robertson is a B prospect when he’s on the same talent level as alschneider.... I don’t get it. This kid gets no respect..
As to your post, well add at the deadline....
Most likely candidates out Krav/late 1st/ a 2nd/ maybe chytil/Gauthier and a prospect like Renunnen who is beyond buried here...

Offseason/draft is likely when you see a blockbuster trade including more high end pieces from the farm included with the rest/some of up above that’s listed.
Hopefully it’s for a young 2-way C that’s semi cost controlled in his early-Mid twenties that should be the long term replacement for strome..
I have a feeling Drury will strip the excess cap to the bone, wherever he can if he can get his guy.....
I doubt we see any of Strome, chytil, Nemeth, Georgiev, Rooney, and perhaps Gauthier here to start next season off with NYR.
Blais will be back. Barron will be full time, our extra FWD should be a cheap Hartford guy ex-Gettinger/Richards/Ruesschoff type etc.
4th line centers a available in surplus on cheap 1-2 year deals, as are back up goalies.

 

[IDvsEGO]

how the f*** Do people think Robertson is a B prospect when he’s on the same talent level as alschneider.... I don’t get it. This kid gets no respect.

I mean he's not on the same talent level as schneider. He was a late 1st whos stock fell and we grabbed him in the 2nd, he's far more of a developmental prospect. He's a B prospect, he might be an A prospect for a team with a much weaker pool. But when you compare him to someone like schneider who's a year younger and already in the NHL playing top 4 minutes you can see the gap.

 

[SA16]

The better question is who, outside the Rangers organization, thinks Robertson is an A level prospect? The answer is nobody.

 

[jay from jersey]

I mean he's not on the same talent level as schneider. He was a late 1st whos stock fell and we grabbed him in the 2nd, he's far more of a developmental prospect. He's a B prospect, he might be an A prospect for a team with a much weaker pool. But when you compare him to someone like schneider who's a year younger and already in the NHL playing top 4 minutes you can see the gap.

no way broski. Talent wise, they are right there with eachorher. Robertson narrowly lost the WHL D of the year to Schneider last season...
The only aspect where Schneider is above Robertson right now imo is development. Schneider is basically a finished product ( body wise) and Robertson, whose Bigger, still needs to add a bit of weight to his frame.
Both are big men who skate well, and move the puck very well.
You give Robertson a year or so to fill out, and he’s going to turn some heads.

 

[RangerBoy]

I think the drunk on the corner IS the Vancouver fanbase. That's the only thing that explains some of their expectations (I literally saw one of their fans panning the idea of Miller for Laf, Schneider, and a 1st).

The Vancouver fanbase sounds like the Buffalo fanbase when they were peddling an injured Jack Eichel with a $10M cap hit for 4/5 first round pick assets. The Sabres were not retaining any money or taking back a contract. We saw how that deal shook out.

 

[QJL]

no way broski. Talent wise, they are right there with eachorher. Robertson narrowly lost the WHL D of the year to Schneider last season...
The only aspect where Schneider is above Robertson right now imo is development. Schneider is basically a finished product ( body wise) and Robertson, whose Bigger, still needs to add a bit of weight to his frame.
Both are big men who skate well, and move the puck very well.
You give Robertson a year or so to fill out, and he’s going to turn some heads.

Schneider is better than Robertson in every facet of the game, at a younger age. You are the only poster I’ve ever seen stack them a similar level.

 

[IDvsEGO]

no way broski. Talent wise, they are right there with eachorher. Robertson narrowly lost the WHL D of the year to Schneider last season...
The only aspect where Schneider is above Robertson right now imo is development. Schneider is basically a finished product ( body wise) and Robertson, whose Bigger, still needs to add a bit of weight to his frame.
Both are big men who skate well, and move the puck very well.
You give Robertson a year or so to fill out, and he’s going to turn some heads.

Ok lets say this one more time. Robertson in his d+2 year narrowly lost out to schneider in his d+1 year for best defenseman in the WHL.
Robertson in his D+1 didnt win that award.

 

[bobbop]

Talking to some friends back from Vegas and confirmed what we all know, the Rangers have inquired about all of the names we have seen speculated. Two nuggets I was given.

1. Vegas is stepping up efforts to move players. Martinez is back this week and Eichel is getting close. They are driving a hard bargain but there are only so many landing spots available.

2. Unprompted comment from NHL scout…don’t discount Giroux to the Rangers. He would make them a very serious contender. He is the one difference maker who could change teams.

Re Giroux, This is not what expected to hear but certainly interesting.

Stay tuned. NHL trade deadline 43 days away.

 

[bl02]

I’m not willing to give up what Philly wants for Giroux

 

[bobbop]

how the f*** Do people think Robertson is a B prospect when he’s on the same talent level as alschneider.... I don’t get it. This kid gets no respect..
As to your post, well add at the deadline....
Most likely candidates out Krav/late 1st/ a 2nd/ maybe chytil/Gauthier and a prospect like Renunnen who is beyond buried here...

Offseason/draft is likely when you see a blockbuster trade including more high end pieces from the farm included with the rest/some of up above that’s listed.
Hopefully it’s for a young 2-way C that’s semi cost controlled in his early-Mid twenties that should be the long term replacement for strome..
I have a feeling Drury will strip the excess cap to the bone, wherever he can if he can get his guy.....
I doubt we see any of Strome, chytil, Nemeth, Georgiev, Rooney, and perhaps Gauthier here to start next season off with NYR.
Blais will be back. Barron will be full time, our extra FWD should be a cheap Hartford guy ex-Gettinger/Richards/Ruesschoff type etc.
4th line centers a available in surplus on cheap 1-2 year deals, as are back up goalies.

I haven’t seen any evidence that Robertson is on the same talent level or development track. Nice prospect, yes. Top four lock, I don’t think that’s been demonstrated yet.