Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[Fitzy]

Why not? Strome walks, Chytil gets dealt, and you move Kreider. I’d Schneider shows enough in the next few months then maybe moving Trouba is an option too but as of now he’s too important.

It’s extremely feasible. In the event Kadri pushes a ridiculous number like 8.5+ then you’re right and we don’t make the move.

You want to trade Kreider and let Strome go so we can re-sign a 36 year old?

Also Kadri like Kreider is having a career year. Bad time to be spending money.

 

[Avery16]

Chytil would benefit from 1) regular line mates and 2) if those line mates were more skilled than Goodrow and say Gauthier.

 

[RGY]

Chytil needs other players around him to succeed. Sounds a lot like Strome but without the production. He also is shit defensively, turns over pucks, and doesnt win faceoffs. He should be moved to the wing, but then youre looking at too many wingers and not enough spots in the top 6. And he hasnt shown he deserves top 6 minutes. He doesnt work hard enough. He doesnt engage enough. He doesnt retrieve pucks well.

I just think it is time to move him for a need we have right now with the hope that he still holds a lot of value. Because while some Chytil supporters can say all day long he is “Buch 2.0” or the best is yet to come, he just as easily (and more likely) could go in the other direction and his value diminishes.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Chytil would benefit from 1) regular line mates and 2) if those line mates were more skilled than Goodrow and say Gauthier.

True, but I think that Goodrow - Chytil - R Smith could be a good 3rd like for the POs. If Smith is too expensive (I think he won’t be) then Radulov or Tierney and move Chytil to RW.

 

[motopanekeku]

Close your eyes and say To yourself, Chytil pumper three times. What’s the next image in your mind? This could be the new Rorschach test

There's two kinds of people.. Chytil pumpers and Kakko pumpers

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

There's two kinds of people.. Chytil pumpers and Kakko pumpers

Very Freudian, I’m thinking there are mommy and daddy issues behind these proclivities. I’m a Barron pumper because of my issues with authority

 

[motopanekeku]

Very Freudian, I’m thinking there are mommy and daddy issues behind these proclivities. I’m a Barron pumper because of my issues with authority

Former Puempel pumper here..

 

[NYR Viper]

Philip Danault just signed for $5.5m for 6 years. NMC in years 1-3, modified NTC in years 4-6. Strome for all the shit he gets, is probably on par with him in terms of value. Danault is better defensively but Strome is better offensively. Same age when they hit UFA. Danault had to go UFA to maximize his value whereas Strome won’t and he likes it in NY. On top of that the Rangers gave him an opportunity to resurrect his career and he’s part of the leadership group in NY. Also, We can’t say LA has some income tax benefit compared to NY so that argument is out.

6-7 years, $5.25m-$5.5m per season. NMC in years 1-3, modified NTC in the remainder.

Look around in the offseason. What teams who will be competing for the playoffs and a Cup anytime soon have cap space? Practically none. He can test the market and go to a place like Buffalo or Dallas if he so prefers but many of the true contenders aren’t going to have room for that type of deal. He’s already felt the sting of being a square peg in a round hole and he’s made pretty good money up to this point in his career. It’s really a marriage that make sense.

Next year will be tight but after that, we’re probably looking at Trouba gone, replaced internally by Schneider which saves quite a bit of cap space and the year after, possibly Kreider.

Re-sign Strome to a reasonable cap hit and go get a the right support player for the 3rd line. Nemeth, Georgiev, Gauthier, Hajek all gone.

This is the way.

 

[duhmetreE]

At the same point in his career, Buchnevich had 20 NHL points in 41 games.

I was amongst the biggest Chytil pumpers coming into the season. Am I disappointed in him? Yes, big time. Is he done developing? No way.

Pavel Bucnhevich has always produced and shown good-great playmaking/vision/hands. Chytil is all tools with suspect visions/hands/playmaking. What bothers me most is he's been so passive. He's a big body that's never engaged physically. He lost his attack on the forecheck/puck pressure.

Ideally Chytil finds his way on the 3rd line. If he models his game after Goodrow, stylistically speaking, he will be a very valuable player. I just don't know what's going on with him anymore.

p.s. same can be said for nearly all of our young forwards....

 

[Boris Zubov]

Philip Danault just signed for $5.5m for 6 years. NMC in years 1-3, modified NTC in years 4-6. Strome for all the shit he gets, is probably on par with him in terms of value. Danault is better defensively but Strome is better offensively. Same age when they hit UFA. Danault had to go UFA to maximize his value whereas Strome won’t and he likes it in NY. On top of that the Rangers gave him an opportunity to resurrect his career and he’s part of the leadership group in NY. Also, We can’t say LA has some income tax benefit compared to NY so that argument is out.

6-7 years, $5.25m-$5.5m per season. NMC in years 1-3, modified NTC in the remainder.

Look around in the offseason. What teams who will be competing for the playoffs and a Cup anytime soon have cap space? Practically none. He can test the market and go to a place like Buffalo or Dallas if he so prefers but many of the true contenders aren’t going to have room for that type of deal. He’s already felt the sting of being a square peg in a round hole and he’s made pretty good money up to this point in his career. It’s really a marriage that make sense.

Next year will be tight but after that, we’re probably looking at Trouba gone, replaced internally by Schneider which saves quite a bit of cap space and the year after, possibly Kreider.

Re-sign Strome to a reasonable cap hit and go get a the right support player for the 3rd line. Nemeth, Georgiev, Gauthier, Hajek all gone.

This is the way.

I'd rather let Strome walk for nothing than give him that deal. I don't want to commit to him long term & the NMC is an instant dealbreaker.

 

[Vitto79]

Philip Danault just signed for $5.5m for 6 years. NMC in years 1-3, modified NTC in years 4-6. Strome for all the shit he gets, is probably on par with him in terms of value. Danault is better defensively but Strome is better offensively. Same age when they hit UFA. Danault had to go UFA to maximize his value whereas Strome won’t and he likes it in NY. On top of that the Rangers gave him an opportunity to resurrect his career and he’s part of the leadership group in NY. Also, We can’t say LA has some income tax benefit compared to NY so that argument is out.

6-7 years, $5.25m-$5.5m per season. NMC in years 1-3, modified NTC in the remainder.

Look around in the offseason. What teams who will be competing for the playoffs and a Cup anytime soon have cap space? Practically none. He can test the market and go to a place like Buffalo or Dallas if he so prefers but many of the true contenders aren’t going to have room for that type of deal. He’s already felt the sting of being a square peg in a round hole and he’s made pretty good money up to this point in his career. It’s really a marriage that make sense.

Next year will be tight but after that, we’re probably looking at Trouba gone, replaced internally by Schneider which saves quite a bit of cap space and the year after, possibly Kreider.

Re-sign Strome to a reasonable cap hit and go get a the right support player for the 3rd line. Nemeth, Georgiev, Gauthier, Hajek all gone.

This is the way.

it is a good point that Danaut easily could be a Ranger now meaning 5ish on the cap

for those that think they won’t give Strome or another UFA that are wrong. They have ways to get under the cap

I just done get the Nemeth signing at 2.5 when they should of got a depth vet like Smith for little

 

[Avery16]

Former Puempel pumper here..

They make a cream for that, I think.

 

[duhmetreE]

Chytil has 73 hits in 224 games.

I dont think he needs to be a dominant physical presence but that's just too soft. He has all these tools that we all hope he can put it together but we cant just ignore the warts. There's no doubt in my mind he can become a solid player, but are we going to drag him along until his mid-late 20's or until he gets there?

 

[duhmetreE]

Philip Danault just signed for $5.5m for 6 years. NMC in years 1-3, modified NTC in years 4-6. Strome for all the shit he gets, is probably on par with him in terms of value. Danault is better defensively but Strome is better offensively. Same age when they hit UFA. Danault had to go UFA to maximize his value whereas Strome won’t and he likes it in NY. On top of that the Rangers gave him an opportunity to resurrect his career and he’s part of the leadership group in NY. Also, We can’t say LA has some income tax benefit compared to NY so that argument is out.

6-7 years, $5.25m-$5.5m per season. NMC in years 1-3, modified NTC in the remainder.

Look around in the offseason. What teams who will be competing for the playoffs and a Cup anytime soon have cap space? Practically none. He can test the market and go to a place like Buffalo or Dallas if he so prefers but many of the true contenders aren’t going to have room for that type of deal. He’s already felt the sting of being a square peg in a round hole and he’s made pretty good money up to this point in his career. It’s really a marriage that make sense.

Next year will be tight but after that, we’re probably looking at Trouba gone, replaced internally by Schneider which saves quite a bit of cap space and the year after, possibly Kreider.

Re-sign Strome to a reasonable cap hit and go get a the right support player for the 3rd line. Nemeth, Georgiev, Gauthier, Hajek all gone.

This is the way.

I don't know anymore. We could only keep 2 of Kreider, Strome and Trouba. I like Strome. I no longer like how he plays with Panarin. It's not playoff caliber hockey.

I'd look for an 'out of the box' way to keep Strome. Would he be OK to signing a 'shorter term' deal? Maybe a sign and trade?

Hypothetically speaking, trade him to a team with cap space in the offseason, he signs on their roster say for 3 years 24-27M ( he'd need incentive to take a shorter term deal). They eat 50% and trade him to the Rangers for picks and prospects. Teams need to get to the floor or could profit off of their available cap space ( assuming they have the capital to pull it off )

 

[ncmike]

Or condolences, depending on one's view of marriage.

never knew true happiness until I got married…..
Then it was too late

 

[RGY]

Chytil has 73 hits in 224 games.

I dont think he needs to be a dominant physical presence but that's just too soft. He has all these tools that we all hope he can put it together but we cant just ignore the warts. There's no doubt in my mind he can become a solid player, but are we going to drag him along until his mid-late 20's or until he gets there?

This wouldnt be as pathetic if he wasn’t just as pathetic when it comes to how easily he is knocked on his ass every. single. game. Without fail.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd rather let Strome walk for nothing than give him that deal. I don't want to commit to him long term & the NMC is an instant dealbreaker.

Strome at that cap hit can eventually slide to wing as needed which provides the team flexibility and depth at center should an injury occur. Also, 3 years of a NMC isn’t that big of a deal when the following 2 years we will more than likely see Trouba and Kreider dealt when their NMC’s expire.

 

[Bruner4329]

You want to trade Kreider and let Strome go so we can re-sign a 36 year old?

Also Kadri like Kreider is having a career year. Bad time to be spending money.

This is mindless. We are not moving Kreider. He is 30 years old and is having his best season ever. There is no reason he can't produce at this level for the next 4 years. Notwithstanding the on ice performance he is also in a big way the heart and soul of this team and is a leader. Just look how all the players react to him. You don't replace that with all these fantasy moves people are bringing up. The Ranger management sees this thank God.
On Chytil all the Buch comps are a bit off base. In the last 2 years Buch was here he showed some brilliant play at times. Chytil has not come close to this outside of maybe a game here or there. On the point he has not had a chance to succeed, a lot of that has to do with not earning more playing time either based on game play or what he does in practice. Listen we are now into 2 different coaching regimes and neither one has seen fit to give him the playing time some of you keep bringing up. These guys are the talent evaluators and they have come to the conclusion he is not a top 6 or maybe not even a 3C.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Strome at that cap hit can eventually slide to wing as needed which provides the team flexibility and depth at center should an injury occur. Also, 3 years of a NMC isn’t that big of a deal when the following 2 years we will more than likely see Trouba and Kreider dealt when their NMC’s expire.

The deal itself would be fine if I liked the player. I say that conflicted, as I really think he's solid teammate & an unselfish leader.

However, I'm unconvinced the team can be a serious contender with him married to Panarin, which is all but set in stone if he resigns. Their style of hockey is the antithesis of what's needed to win in the playoffs.

 

[Avery16]

The Trouba and Kreider contracts are what they are. We aren’t moving them now, plus they both are responsible to a significant degree for the team’s current success.

We need cap flexibility to add scoring depth. Instead of Kreider and Trouba, we should focus instead on the other contracts not worth their hit- Nemeth, Georgiev (by trading or not qualifying), Hajek (by trading or not qualifying), Tinordi and Goodrow (if necessary and possible).

 

[kovazub94]

Strome at that cap hit can eventually slide to wing as needed which provides the team flexibility and depth at center should an injury occur. Also, 3 years of a NMC isn’t that big of a deal when the following 2 years we will more than likely see Trouba and Kreider dealt when their NMC’s expire.

You say slide to wing as needed but does it? We’ve bitched and moaned about not getting opportunities to Lafreniere and Kakko. Where do we slide Strome to and what minutes would he get (take away from kids)? Again, to me $5.3m for Strome is far from overpayment for his services but that $5.3m is a detriment to cap hit even if Drury can figure out how to fit it in.

 

[leetch99]

Chytil hasn't come close to Buchnevich's production.

He has had about one great shift power forward like in 4 years . That shift where he cut from the right side across the Bruin crease and scored is the only good move I can remember him ever making that was into traffic . I figure Gauthier can provide that on the right side and with a bit of luck draw more penalties and maybe score a handful ....but with a great PP even drawing PM 's is a nice feature especially if we score . I'm not sure Fil draws many penalties...Gauth is cheaper . A good spare part for us to keep .

 

[Anthony5967]

Very interested to know who Drury would’ve drafted in 2018. It’s clear Kravtsov isn’t a guy he had prioritized.

 

[Fitzy]

Very interested to know who Drury would’ve drafted in 2018. It’s clear Kravtsov isn’t a guy he had prioritized.

Farabee would be my first guess.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Hmm, weird...

Buch 21 year old season 20 points 41 games

Chytil 21 year old season 22 points 42 games

Last year he paced 40 playing with Laf and Kakko, this year playing between Laf and Gauthier they've all been unproductive and disappointing.. including our prized 1st OA pick. Buch spent his 22 year old season playing with Zibanejad and Kreider. I don't like when people gloss over things like that as if it's some minute detail... of course it matters what kinda talent a player plays with. Chytil has more highlight reel assists and goals than either of our top 2 picks... that doesn't make a player better or worse, but to say he doesn't have talent is just flat out making shit up. The players that can make those plays consistently every night are called perennial all stars. Players getting 3rd line minutes only giving 3rd line production.. shocker, I know.

Now if you wanna make an argument that this team would be better suited with a physical 2-way C that can take FOs and on a super affordable contract (sparsely available), I'll agree with sure, but don't downplay Chytil's skillset. We're talking about a 22 year old unfinished product who's shown plenty flashes of talent