Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[smoneil]

Kravtsov chose to go to the k And request a trade instead of getting paid Pennie’s on the dollar to be in the A that was his choice. No one has to cater to him to come back. Trade him while you can because he’s not coming back. Not every pic works out. Good riddance.

I'm not quite there yet. If he matures a bit, he could be exactly what the team needs. But that's a bit "if." I guess I'm clinging to the hope that this whole process might have been a wake-up call. He clearly thought he was all that and a bag of chips when he took his puck and went home, but Drury told him to go ahead and try to find a team willing to pay value for him...and there weren't any. Hopefully that deflated his ego a bit.

 

[Cheapshot]

I'm not quite there yet. If he matures a bit, he could be exactly what the team needs. But that's a bit "if." I guess I'm clinging to the hope that this whole process might have been a wake-up call. He clearly thought he was all that and a bag of chips when he took his puck and went home, but Drury told him to go ahead and try to find a team willing to pay value for him...and there weren't any. Hopefully that deflated his ego a bit.

yeah I get that but wether it was his doing or drus I just see it hard for either side to come back from it so why get excited over a prospect whose likely to not play for the team. Try to turn him into a useful asset or call it for what it is. A mistake doesn’t matter who’s fault just move on.

 

[Synergy27]

I’ve decided that I can live with dealing a 1st plus for Pavelski with the intention of extending him for 2 years if it can be done. I also want to sign Kadri as a UFA and I’d let Strome walk and potentially trade a contract to do it. Move Chytil.

I think that firmly cements the new culture, makes this a win now team, and still has a lot of youth.

Sounds great but it’s not feasible with the cap.

 

[Machinehead]

I see Giroux and Pavelski being bandied about quite a bit. I would be fine with either but you guys should be aware that they're wingers.

Giroux sucks 5v5 at center and would be more of what we have. Pavelski is just a RW, big ol period. Brad Richards has been a full-time NHL center more recently than Pavelski has.

 

[Fitzy]

We already have three wingers playing center in Strome, Chytil, and McKegg, so what’s one more?

 

[Machinehead]

We already have three wingers playing center in Strome, Chytil, and McKegg, so what’s one more?

True and I would unironically not not try Kreider at center.

 

[RGY]

Joe Pavelski has taken 400 faceoffs this year. 54.6 % on the dot.

Sounds pretty capable of playing center to me.

 

[mas0764]

Stay the course.

Do not do anything drastic unless it's a long term option. Those rarely happen mid-season.

Add a Lekhonen. Or some speed. A sparkplug like Hagel would be nice too. Nothing over the top

Lundkvist for Hagel would be drastic but otherwise I dig it.

 

[mas0764]

My issue with Chytil is that the offense he was creating last year seems to have been lost as I see him doing alot of nothing.

At some point, as a centerman, its your job and responsibility to understand your linemates tendencies and play the game accordingly. I dont think he's been doing a good job of that and he's played with Lafreniere quite a bit this year.

Part of that is on Lafreniere as well, but Chytil is the distributor there.

Maybe he's not the center we (I) was hoping he can become, but he could benthe answer to the RW question we have.

I'm not rushing him out the door, but where last year I was hesitant to trade him, I'm less hesitant today

Kravtsov in a package for a center, Chytil to 2RW. Makes sense to me.

 

[mas0764]

@EdJovanovski while you were sleeping, the KHL cancels remainder of the season with playoffs starting March 1. Talk about a deadline acquisition, the great Kravtsov.

Awesome.

 

[mas0764]

Resigning Strome is close to impossible and comes with the very possible chance the team becomes worse to try and fit him under the cap. I also don't agree with all the Dolan talk going on here. Drury has his team already in the playoffs. I'm pretty sure he's fine with leaving Drury alone and more focused with his Knicks sucking again. I still believe Chytil gets his shot next season at the 2c spot with a veteran 3c that could take over if he falls flat on his face to give him time to work a trade. We don't need Chytil to work with Panarin when we already know he works well with Kreider and Kakko. If Drury makes a big trade it's for a long term piece and not rentals. Drury is a former player and I'm sure he understands a team with this little experience has virtually no shot at even getting past the first round.

Hope you are right re: Drury.

If Strome isn't coming back I wish they'd get something for him though.

 

[mas0764]

Not sure if I think about it that way, in terms of guts, as if it would be a risky, brave move.

Vitali wouldn't plug up any holes we currently have with needed effectiveness, wouldn't fix any leadership issues we *may* have, and probably wouldn't even be a good showcase for a trade in terms of ice time and performance. I would think not calling him up would be the default best move.

If his value right now is no better than a second then bringing him back is a no brainer. The stock can't get any worse.

The upside is his stock rises or, you know, he actually turns into a good young top 6 winger for this team.

He kinda would fit real nice on that third line right now too.

Lafreniere Zibanejad Kreider
Panarin Strome Kakko
Chytil Goodrow Kravtsov
Reaves Rooney Gauthier/Hunt

 

[mas0764]

Carolina is the favorite to win it all IMO. They’d need to lose before we face them or Igor to go superhuman to get by them. Possible, but not likely

Extremely unlikely and just as unlikely we get by Tampa or Colorado.

And not like Pittsburgh and Washington will be easy either.

 

[mas0764]

Why can’t NYR be one of those teams to get an old guy to play for minimum? The guy has made almost $80M over his career. Does he want shot at a cup and not have to move his family? $1M per and like it.

If he wants to take the minimum there are about 6 other teams who have better shots than us that he can go play for.

 

[mas0764]

It's been almost five years with Chytil. Does this team have the luxury of waiting any longer to see what we've got in him?

Yes.

We aren't winning anything this year. Not done with Chytil yet. Still has upside.

Though I think at this point we should acknowledge it's best not to even pencil him in as 2C, but he certainly could still be a top 6 wing or a substantially above-average top 9 wing.

But we have better options coming up.

Like who?

We still need all the forward talent we can get our hands on. We ice Ryan Reaves, Dryden Hunt, Julien Gauthier and Greg McKegg on a regular basis.

This is why it's insane when people act like the rebuild is over. Yah, it's cool we play four scrubs who belong in the AHL every night.

We need forward talent bad. Lots, and young.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Hughes and Kreider had great chemistry
Man he would’ve been so perfect for this team

 

[Paul Padovano]

The team is trying to win. The owner fired management and coach for not doing so. You're the new coach. Do you ride the two top Cs in their prime, or do you give a chance to the 22 year old? The top 6 center and LW spots were never open this season. The RW spots were open, and both Laf and Chytil have had time there, both playing well when given the opportunity (despite it not being their natural positions).

With the team's record being what it is, there is no chance--repeat--no chance that they would have "moved on from" Strome with how well he's played and how much Panarin pines for him.

I'm the first to admit that Chytil has struggled this year. That said, I don't see how his struggles are any different from Kakko's or Laf's except for the fact that he's had fewer opportunities and has a better track record of production (even relative to the same age).

We gave up on Marc Savard and watched him become a 1C in Calgary. Philly gave up on Justin Williams and watched him become an all time playoff clutch scorer. Just for once, why don't we hang on to promising young players and let them develop here rather than watching them thrive in another jersey? We can't afford Strome anyway, so why not do for Chytil what they did for Kakko this year--roll into next year with Chytil penciled in as the 2C, but also signing a vet for the 3C spot who can step up if needed/if it isn't working. But to yeet the kid before he ever gets an extended look in the top six is just wasting a promising resource--at a position that we desperately need promising resources, Ii might add.

I think that about says it all for Chytil. There's no room for him in the top 6, and especially on the power play, although you're right. When he was given a chance vs Philly to play the forward position he's least comfortable with, he looked great (even scored the game tying goal). Even if he was taken off that line in favor of Hunt, that's Kakko's position when he returns. So than, where do u put Chytil? Back on third line left wing, he's not gonna rack up the pts on that line, and if the Ranger trade for a first line right wing, now there's pretty much not even a posit

 

[Paul Padovano]

The team is trying to win. The owner fired management and coach for not doing so. You're the new coach. Do you ride the two top Cs in their prime, or do you give a chance to the 22 year old? The top 6 center and LW spots were never open this season. The RW spots were open, and both Laf and Chytil have had time there, both playing well when given the opportunity (despite it not being their natural positions).

With the team's record being what it is, there is no chance--repeat--no chance that they would have "moved on from" Strome with how well he's played and how much Panarin pines for him.

I'm the first to admit that Chytil has struggled this year. That said, I don't see how his struggles are any different from Kakko's or Laf's except for the fact that he's had fewer opportunities and has a better track record of production (even relative to the same age).

We gave up on Marc Savard and watched him become a 1C in Calgary. Philly gave up on Justin Williams and watched him become an all time playoff clutch scorer. Just for once, why don't we hang on to promising young players and let them develop here rather than watching them thrive in another jersey? We can't afford Strome anyway, so why not do for Chytil what they did for Kakko this year--roll into next year with Chytil penciled in as the 2C, but also signing a vet for the 3C spot who can step up if needed/if it isn't working. But to yeet the kid before he ever gets an extended look in the top six is just wasting a promising resource--at a position that we desperately need promising resources, Ii might add.

And the same is going to be true for next season. There is no room for Chytil in the top six and especially on the power play, as u said. You're right, he played that one game vs Philly on a line with Strome and Panarin, and he looked great. Even scored a big game tying goal. However, whether he's on that line, hunt, or Goodrow, that's Kakko's position when he returns. Top line, right wing goes to Laf, so how do u put Chytill in a position where he can rack up the pts? On the third line? Not really gonna happen, and if the Rangers trade for a first line rw, there might not even b room for him in the lineup. So how does anyone expect the kid "to get it together." He can, but there's a log jam. Sorry for the double post

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I’ve decided that I can live with dealing a 1st plus for Pavelski with the intention of extending him for 2 years if it can be done. I also want to sign Kadri as a UFA and I’d let Strome walk and potentially trade a contract to do it. Move Chytil.

I think that firmly cements the new culture, makes this a win now team, and still has a lot of youth.

I hate math too!

 

[Paul Padovano]

I'm not quite there yet. If he matures a bit, he could be exactly what the team needs. But that's a bit "if." I guess I'm clinging to the hope that this whole process might have been a wake-up call. He clearly thought he was all that and a bag of chips when he took his puck and went home, but Drury told him to go ahead and try to find a team willing to pay value for him...and there weren't any. Hopefully that deflated his ego a bit.

And so he has himself a career in the KHL! If he can't bare to go play in the A for a conditioning stint. I guess Rangers fans can now see that after all this time, it was Wahlstrom after all!

 

[smoneil]

And the same is going to be true for next season. There is no room for Chytil in the top six and especially on the power play, as u said. You're right, he played that one game vs Philly on a line with Strome and Panarin, and he looked great. Even scored a big game tying goal. However, whether he's on that line, hunt, or Goodrow, that's Kakko's position when he returns. Top line, right wing goes to Laf, so how do u put Chytill in a position where he can rack up the pts? On the third line? Not really gonna happen, and if the Rangers trade for a first line rw, there might not even b room for him in the lineup. So how does anyone expect the kid "to get it together." He can, but there's a log jam. Sorry for the double post

It was more than that one game. He had 5 games with that line, putting up points in four of them (and still playing well in the 5th).

The most logical thing for them to do, when fully healthy (in my opinion), is to have two scoring lines (Kreider/Zib/Laf and Bread/Strome/Chytil), a shut-down line (Goodrow/Moore/Kakko) and a 4th/checking line (Hunt/Rooney/Reaves). That way, each line has a clear identity. They just need to get that 3rd line on the ice more often than they have the last two years. Next year, assuming Strome prices himself out of the mix, I'd run Bread/Zib/Laf as the first line and Kreider/Chytil/Kakko as the second line. We know from past lines that Kreider/Chytil and Chytil/Kakko work well. Put them together and see what happens.

 

[smoneil]

And so he has himself a career in the KHL! If he can't bare to go play in the A for a conditioning stint. I guess Rangers fans can now see that after all this time, it was Wahlstrom after all!

No point looking backward. You can't change anything back there. Best to see if he CAN be salvaged, and if not, best to turn him into the best asset possible (either in a 1 for 1 trade or as the sweetener in a package deal).

 

[smoneil]

It's not about what we think, it's about what Dolan and Drury think. Dolan ain't gonna f***in wait for Chytil. Doesn't even know who he is I bet.

There's no room for Goodrow in the top six in a full lineup. He slots perfectly at 3C, and then there's Barron.

Chytil's future on this team, if he has one, is as a winger.

Why are we "waiting" on Barron if there's no point in waiting for Chytil? Don't get me wrong, I like both players, but Barron is a full year older, they were drafted in the same year, and Chytil has shown significantly more at both the AHL and NHL levels. Other than the fact that Barron still has that new car smell, why is one worthy of development time/opportunity and the other deserving of a catapult to the sun?

 

[bl02]

Hughes and Kreider had great chemistry
Man he would’ve been so perfect for this team

As talented as Hughes is he would be on the third line here and getting close to zero pp time. No way in hell would GG play him ahead of Strome and Zibby.

 

[bl02]

Kravtsov chose to go to the k And request a trade instead of getting paid Pennie’s on the dollar to be in the A that was his choice. No one has to cater to him to come back. Trade him while you can because he’s not coming back. Not every pic works out. Good riddance.

I still can't believe he just didn't go to Hartford (would have been probably 2 weeks). It's obvious what we have with Gauthier (not much unfortunately) and he would have been ahead of him no doubt in the RW depth chart.