Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[Anthony5967]

For those of you who watch many Canucks games, would we recognize JT Miller's game at this point or is it totally transformed? How is he so productive?

Don’t think many on here in NY are staying up till 1am to watch Canucks hockey. Why do I say that? ? Based on the countless comments being made about how he’s worth a 2nd+Chytil+Tarmo lol. Are you guys kidding? One person has him as a 3C in their mock lines? This isn’t the Miller of five years ago haha. Drury will have to pay up.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

If the Rangers trade a first for rental JT Miller we are f***ing doomed.

JT Millers not a rental (dear lord can we not have this convo again)

...Schneider available?

 

[Anthony5967]

If the Rangers trade a first for rental JT Miller we are f***ing doomed.

Where is he a rental?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

A point/game center who is elite on faceoffs, plays a physical game, and also can play wing isn't a fit? He'd be a fit on basically every team in the league. He's the exact type of player we'd be looking to acquire if people weren't biased against him because he played here when he first came up. The Canucks have also, at times, run through lines with Horvat/Miller/Pettersson all playing center so he's familiar with that sort of structure too if we were to try and get him and play Zibanejad/Strome/Miller on 3 lines.

Which is great, but they can’t fit him next season with his salary

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Which is great, but they can’t fit him next season with his salary

They can only if they let Strome walk.

 

[SA16]

Which is great, but they can’t fit him next season with his salary

Obviously if they traded for him they don't keep Strome after this season.

 

[EdJovanovski]

For those of you who watch many Canucks games, would we recognize JT Miller's game at this point or is it totally transformed? How is he so productive?

He's still as dumb as ever, such as when he dumped the puck in on a delayed PP in Overtime. You never dump the puck in OT, you literally skate back out of your zone or dump it into your own end. You never dump the puck with a delayed PP. But to do it on a delayed PP in Overtime is something only someone like JT Miller would even think of lol. He is a lot like Ryan Strome, he is productive but makes absolute bonehead plays. He is perhaps slightly grittier & better defensively than Strome, but also a fair bit worse of a lockerroom guy and doesn't have proven chemistry like Strome does. Plus it will cost us.

 

[Savant]

Don’t think many on here in NY are staying up till 1am to watch Canucks hockey. Why do I say that? ? Based on the countless comments being made about how he’s worth a 2nd+Chytil+Tarmo lol. Are you guys kidding? One person has him as a 3C in their mock lines? This isn’t the Miller of five years ago haha. Drury will have to pay up.

He should be 3C if the Rangers get him. Why have two good lines and let Lafreniere suffer when you can roll three legitimate lines. Being 3C isn’t a knock on Miller, it’s good roster balance. Especially when they can’t play him at LW which is his best position. He wouldn’t be my target but if he is coming that’s what the Rangers should do.

 

[ncmike]

Me too!

Me three

 

[smoneil]

Don’t think many on here in NY are staying up till 1am to watch Canucks hockey. Why do I say that? ? Based on the countless comments being made about how he’s worth a 2nd+Chytil+Tarmo lol. Are you guys kidding? One person has him as a 3C in their mock lines? This isn’t the Miller of five years ago haha. Drury will have to pay up.

For literally years now, Kreider-Zib and Panarin-Strome have been the LW-C pairs on the top two lines. Miller plays LW and C. They aren't going to disrupt those pairings. They would almost certainly put Laf with Miller on the 3rd line, get Miller on the 2nd PP unit, and try to roll the top three lines a bit more than they usually do.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I cant see them bringing Miller in to play 3c....if anything Strome drops down and that might be a good thing if him laf and goodrow get a line together. He's played all three spots up front so he could land in the top 6 too

 

[Savant]

I cant see them bringing Miller in to play 3c....if anything Strome drops down and that might be a good thing if him laf and goodrow get a line together. He's played all three spots up front so he could land in the top 6 too

That makes more sense than Strome to RW. Still don’t think there is a good reason to break Strome and Panarin up though

 

[Anthony5967]

He should be 3C if the Rangers get him. Why have two good lines and let Lafreniere suffer when you can roll three legitimate lines. Being 3C isn’t a knock on Miller, it’s good roster balance. Especially when they can’t play him at LW which is his best position. He wouldn’t be my target but if he is coming that’s what the Rangers should do.

JT Miller is a point per game player going on three years now, playing 19+ mins a night. Nobody is trading a haul for him to center your third line. End of discussion.

 

[Anthony5967]

For literally years now, Kreider-Zib and Panarin-Strome have been the LW-C pairs on the top two lines. Miller plays LW and C. They aren't going to disrupt those pairings. They would almost certainly put Laf with Miller on the 3rd line, get Miller on the 2nd PP unit, and try to roll the top three lines a bit more than they usually do.

See my post below. Miller would either go to the wing, where’s he’s been playing for Vancouver right this second, or he would center the 2nd line. The team that acquires him isn’t paying a ransom to have him play 3C. It’s absurd.

 

[McRanger92]

A point/game center who is elite on faceoffs, plays a physical game, and also can play wing isn't a fit? He'd be a fit on basically every team in the league. He's the exact type of player we'd be looking to acquire if people weren't biased against him because he played here when he first came up. The Canucks have also, at times, run through lines with Horvat/Miller/Pettersson all playing center so he's familiar with that sort of structure too if we were to try and get him and play Zibanejad/Strome/Miller on 3 lines.

Totally agree, anyone who doesn’t think JT is a perfect hit for this team is overthinking. He’s be perfect at either of the Top 6 RW spots helping out on faceoffs. Perfect Gallant player because he can play any forward position in any situation. And he’s a guy who could be a really solid Strome replacement, and I like Strome a lot

 

[smoneil]

See my post below. Miller would either go to the wing, where’s he’s been playing for Vancouver right this second, or he would center the 2nd line. The team that acquires him isn’t paying a ransom to have him play 3C. It’s absurd.

So we're paying 1st line center prices to play a LW/C at RW? How is that any less absurd? I'd rather target someone like Barabanov on SJ. One of their posters indicated that he could be had for a 2nd round pick. Young, fast, plays solid defense. Has been better than .5ppg this season playing RW. That's far better bang for the buck than throwing a bunch of top prospects and picks at a band-aid in JT Miller.

 

[Vitto79]

Nah it’ll be more like Jones/Nils and a 2nd. Krav is our second best prospect only to Schneider imo. He wont be traded unless it’s for a big ticket player.

I’d rather deal Kravtsov over the D

he’s a goner let’s be realistic. Atleast Miller is signed for next year

 

[Vitto79]

If the Rangers trade a first for rental JT Miller we are f***ing doomed.

he’s not a rental. 1 year left after this

 

[smoneil]

Totally agree, anyone who doesn’t think JT is a perfect hit for this team is overthinking. He’s be perfect at either of the Top 6 RW spots helping out on faceoffs. Perfect Gallant player because he can play any forward position in any situation. And he’s a guy who could be a really solid Strome replacement, and I like Strome a lot

Re: the bolded--he'd be a Strome replacement for next season (if we got him 50% retained--I don't think we can fit his full cap next year once Zib/Fox's new contracts kick in and we fill out the roster), but he'd need to be re-signed a year before we're set to have the cap to do so. There are two more seasons of flat cap, and two more seasons until Kreider/Trouba's contracts can be moved (and, honestly, at least two more seasons until our RD or LW prospects can handle enough of the load to justify moving Kreider or Trouba). Miller just kicks the can down the road for one additional year.

 

[Savant]

JT Miller is a point per game player going on three years now, playing 19+ mins a night. Nobody is trading a haul for him to center your third line. End of discussion.

I don’t think it’s that simple. Depth is not a bad thing. You can play him at wing on 1 or 2 or center at 2 or 3 but I don’t think there is any reason to take Strome away from Panarin. Maybe you try and get Strome back with Lafreniere, but if Miller and Panarin don’t hit it off, then what?

 

[bl02]

Roy big forward with some nice hands in close. Not afraid to go to the front of the net. Would fit nicely with this team but not sure if Vegas would even want to trade him.
Yeah just checked his cap hit no reason for them to trade him.

 

[McRanger92]

Re: the bolded--he'd be a Strome replacement for next season (if we got him 50% retained--I don't think we can fit his full cap next year once Zib/Fox's new contracts kick in and we fill out the roster), but he'd need to be re-signed a year before we're set to have the cap to do so. There are two more seasons of flat cap, and two more seasons until Kreider/Trouba's contracts can be moved (and, honestly, at least two more seasons until our RD or LW prospects can handle enough of the load to justify moving Kreider or Trouba). Miller just kicks the can down the road for one additional year.

If I’m the Rangers I’m approaching a Miller acquisition as, have him for 2 playoff runs, then we’ll figure out what to do with him

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If I’m the Rangers I’m approaching a Miller acquisition as, have him for 2 playoff runs, then we’ll figure out what to do with him

Chytil + 2nd for JT Miller.

 

[McRanger92]

Nah it’ll be more like Jones/Nils and a 2nd. Krav is our second best prospect only to Schneider imo. He wont be traded unless it’s for a big ticket player.

1st, one of Nils/Jones & Chytil. PPG all situations C signed for 2 more seasons. The cost will rightfully be very high. I’d consider it

 

[McRanger92]

Chytil + 2nd for JT Miller.

No way that’s enough to get it done