Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[egelband]

It absolutely is a strategy to be good and just because Edmonton and Buffalo have f***ed it up doesn't mean it's not effective or that it infects your locker room or organization. Look at Chicago, look at LA, look at Pittsburgh.



You couldn't be more wrong if you want to win a Cup. Just about every winner goes through a down period where they pick high and get sufficient elite talent. Then once they have enough they ramp up and win Cups.

We are short at least one top center for the future. I'd like a second as well.

If you are insinuating "tanking" is playing to lose on purpose, that is different than liquidating non-long term assets for long term assets. The former might be destructive, the latter is smart roster management.

I do agree, we probably brought in Panarin too early. But on the other hand, I can understand the thinking. He was available then and the front office didn’t want to let a losing mindset develop. I get it and I think it will work out, too. It’s just a bit painful right now with the apparently-slow development of Kakko, Lafreniere, Chytil… the Rangers are a little un-synched.

 

[Richard Banger]

If we trade Kravtsov for JT f***in Miller.... I swear
I did something to Drury in a past life or something and his entire existence is dedicated to making me miserable.

Nah it’ll be more like Jones/Nils and a 2nd. Krav is our second best prospect only to Schneider imo. He wont be traded unless it’s for a big ticket player.

 

[mike14]

I like Miller while he was here, and thought it was stupid that we traded him for SFA just to then fire the coach who was allegedly the source of most of the issues for him here. I also don't think he'd be the player he is now if he hadn't been moved on from here and then faced a bit of adversity in Tampa.
But if we give up a haul for him as the Strome replacement, after getting nothing for him the first time I'm going to be pretty pissed off.
It also doesn't really help our ongoing centre depth unless GG is committing to Goodrow as the 3rd line c moving forward

 

[DudMan28]

Is our schedule weirder than usual this year ? I feel like we keep having these long layoffs

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If we trade Kravtsov for JT f***in Miller.... I swear
I did something to Drury in a past life or something and his entire existence is dedicated to making me miserable.

lmao I hope this happens just to see how you deal with it.

 

[DialUp]

If somehow JT miller, Chytil, and Gautier we're all out there at the same time, the combined real world IQ of the line would approach, but never get to, pi.

 

[RGY]

Where does JT Miller fit if he were acquired? Does he become 2nd line Center with Strome moved to RW? The defensive play on that line scares me. So maybe its 3rd line? Goodrow as the insurance center on the wing? I still like Reilly Smith as an add for the top 6.

Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Smith
Lafreniere-Miller-Goodrow
Reaves-Rooney-Hunt/Blais

Gauthier likely dealt. Chytil likely dealt for Miller.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Where does JT Miller fit if he were acquired? Does he become 2nd line Center with Strome moved to RW? The defensive play on that line scares me. So maybe its 3rd line? Goodrow as the insurance center on the wing? I still like Reilly Smith as an add for the top 6.

Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Smith
Lafreniere-Miller-Goodrow
Reaves-Rooney-Hunt/Blais

Gauthier likely dealt. Chytil likely dealt for Miller.

I think he slides in beside Stome and Panarin for this year and replaces strome next year but thats just guessing.

 

[RGY]

I think he slides in beside Stome and Panarin for this year and replaces strome next year but thats just guessing.

I think if he is on that Panarin line then he is the Center. He is the superior center between him and Strome, especially on the faceoff dot. Then Reilly Smith next to Lafreniere-Goodrow

 

[Shesterkybomb]

So what would a package for Miller look like? Having a hard time gaging that.

 

[Vitto79]

Sounds good to me

Kreider-Zib-Kakko (needs to get himself going no matter what line he's on)
Panarin-Strome-Chytil (kid has been moving and using his speed last 2 games)
Laf- Barron- Goodrow (Goodrow playing at .5ppg pace and that will continue if he plays top 9 time)
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves (we finally get to see if this 4th line can stick. Sorry Hunt does not belong in top 9)

We probably see the above lineup but probably GG goes with Gauthier over Barron.

That is a decent forward group and obviously GG has some time to mix and match if he feels the top 9 needs to be moved around a bit.

i have a feeling Gauthier will be benched and traded by the deadline . He does have his positives but they need a C like Barron

 

[RGY]

So what would a package for Miller look like? Having a hard time gaging that.

Chytil + 2nd round pick + Tarmo?

I am having a hard time gauging that as well. Would Chytil, a younger player with RFA status, be valuable enough to VAN? Miller is 28 and is a free agent after next season.

 

[smoneil]

So what would a package for Miller look like? Having a hard time gaging that.

The Keith Yandle to the Rangers trade seems like the most obvious comparable. High end player at a key position, 50% retained with a season and a half left on his contract. Similar ages (Yandle was 28 when traded).

Yandle returned:
- 1st rounder
- 2nd rounder (the following year)
- a 3rd pair journeyman defender (John Moore)
- a well-regarded rookie (former 3rd round pick Anthony Duclair, who had put up 7 points in his first 18 games).

I still don't see him as a fit for the Rangers ($$ and bad prior history), but the equivalent Rangers package would look more like:

-1st rounder
-2nd rounder
-Nemeth
-Zac Jones

for

Miller at 50%

 

[RGY]

The Keith Yandle to the Rangers trade seems like the most obvious comparable. High end player at a key position, 50% retained with a season and a half left on his contract. Similar ages (Yandle was 28 when traded).

Yandle returned:
- 1st rounder
- 2nd rounder (the following year)
- a 3rd pair journeyman defender (John Moore)
- a well-regarded rookie (former 3rd round pick Anthony Duclair, who had put up 7 points in his first 18 games).

I still don't see him as a fit for the Rangers ($$ and bad prior history), but the equivalent Rangers package would look more like:

-1st rounder
-2nd rounder
-Nemeth
-Zac Jones

for

Miller at 50%

I reduce the retained amount to take out the 1st rounder or Jones.

 

[smoneil]

I reduce the retained amount to take out the 1st rounder or Jones.

Without the 50%, our cap situation gets sticky next season. To remove the first rounder, we'd likely have to replace Jones with Lundkvist. We could also reduce the 2nd rounder to a 4th by swapping Nemeth for Hajek (though we'd still have to move Nemeth before next season).

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

For those of you who watch many Canucks games, would we recognize JT Miller's game at this point or is it totally transformed? How is he so productive?

 

[Savant]

If they are getting Miller to play center, he should be centering Lafreniere. Not moving Strome to RW. That would be moronic

 

[Savant]

For those of you who watch many Canucks games, would we recognize JT Miller's game at this point or is it totally transformed? How is he so productive?

I mean his best Canucks stretch was as Pettersson’s left wing.

 

[bbny]

The Rangers trading for Miller at his high after basically trading him at his low is exactly how I do stocks. Maybe I should apply for a front office job here.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Don’t see how JT Miller is a fit unless the Rangers pay to have Vancouver retain, or the get rid of Strome

 

[SA16]

Don’t see how JT Miller is a fit unless the Rangers pay to have Vancouver retain, or the get rid of Strome

A point/game center who is elite on faceoffs, plays a physical game, and also can play wing isn't a fit? He'd be a fit on basically every team in the league. He's the exact type of player we'd be looking to acquire if people weren't biased against him because he played here when he first came up. The Canucks have also, at times, run through lines with Horvat/Miller/Pettersson all playing center so he's familiar with that sort of structure too if we were to try and get him and play Zibanejad/Strome/Miller on 3 lines.

 

[Savant]

Don’t see how JT Miller is a fit unless the Rangers pay to have Vancouver retain, or the get rid of Strome

They have cap for Miller at the deadline and will figure out the rest in the summer.

 

[Savant]

A point/game center who is elite on faceoffs, plays a physical game, and also can play wing isn't a fit? He'd be a fit on basically every team in the league.

Just a reminder that Miller has primarily been a left wing with Vancouver

 

[SA16]

Just a reminder that Miller has primarily been a left wing with Vancouver

He plays both but yes he mostly has played LW with Pettesson and Boeser. This year they have more been doing pairs of Miller/Boeser, Pettersson/Garland, Horvat/Hoglander but they change things up pretty often.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

If the Rangers trade a first for rental JT Miller we are f***ing doomed.