Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[bobbop]

Well, he's got a 3 team no trade and it's believed the Rangers are one of those 3 teams.

Hertl has a three team trade list. Not a no trade list.

 

[SA16]

Hertl has a three team trade list. Not a no trade list.

It's also largely irrelevant as he probably is not going to reject any trade to a playoff team.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Great. Sounds like we're due. Hope it's against the Canes.

Me too.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’ll say that part of the reason this team struggles so mightily at 5v5 is because the 3rd line has largely been a black hole this season. Solve that and the teams numbers start to rise. Go get a good 3rd liner and define that line’s role. We’ve seen what defining the 4th line has done for them. The 3rd line is close to there if deployed properly.

Panarin-Strome-Chytil
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kaako
Lafreniere-Goodrow-Jarnkrok/Lehkonen
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves

It’s not as ‘sexy’ as adding a Radulov or Pavelski but I really don’t think adding a guy who will also need PP time is the correct course. Solidify the lines, continue to develop chemistry between pairs and groups over the next 15-20 games.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I think we did enough moves already, i think we should keep all our picks and take the fate that is imminent, which is that we will not win a cup this year. I mean we still have moves from within that should help. With the season seemingly getting longer and longer, maybe Blais gets back, Kravtsov comes over, Hunt and Goodrow rejoin the team. Its possible our forward group looks like this

Kreider Zib Kakko
Panarin Strome Kravtsov
Lafreniere Chytil Blais
Hunt Goodrow Reaves/Rooney

Why is everybody so hooked on Blais? Not singling you out; it's many fans He has never played more than 40 games.

If they do re-sign him it'll be 1-year league min... worth a try but I wouldn't say he's part of a great forward cops.

 

[ajdj10]

Why is everybody so hooked on Blais? Not singling you out; it's many fans He has never played more than 40 games.

If they do re-sign him it'll be 1-year league min... worth a try but I wouldn't say he's part of a great forward cops.

Probably trying to justify what we got in return for Buch more than anything.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I’ll say that part of the reason this team struggles so mightily at 5v5 is because the 3rd line has largely been a black hole this season. Solve that and the teams numbers start to rise. Go get a good 3rd liner and define that line’s role. We’ve seen what defining the 4th line has done for them. The 3rd line is close to there if deployed properly.

Panarin-Strome-Chytil
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kaako
Lafreniere-Goodrow-Jarnkrok/Lehkonen
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves

It’s not as ‘sexy’ as adding a Radulov or Pavelski but I really don’t think adding a guy who will also need PP time is the correct course. Solidify the lines, continue to develop chemistry between pairs and groups over the next 15-20 games.

I honestly dont see a big trade until the draft if there is one for our center solution. Until then, i see us using later round picks like a 3rd and a 4th to pick up a solid depth guy with speed who can play the 3rd line and maybe for a better 3rd pairing dman for schnieder for the playoffs.

I dont believe anyone thinks that this is our year, but you have to show your support to this start. The whole point to this season is to make the playoffs, Give this young team a true taste of it. We dont go out and blow our load on a big name someone who is only a one year rental. Make a few key trades of only mid round picks. You keep the future alive with our 1st and 2 2nds and all our top prospects in the offeseason. Maybe we make some noise, maybe we dont. But it is used as a learning situation for the guys who havent been there before. Make a few trades to bolster this lineup, allow the young players to continue to play and grow.

Our teams current average age is 25... not positive but i think i remmeber seeing that this year during a game. lol

 

[mas0764]

What future? How far along? Like I said before it makes no sense w the age of 3 of the teams 5 best players unless you want to tear it all down again which is silly.

I don’t want to tear it all down. I want to move out certain pieces until the future is secured. So that means we aren’t gonna win a Cup this year or next, bfd, we aren’t going to anyway.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don’t want to tear it all down. I want to move out certain pieces until the future is secured. So that means we aren’t gonna win a Cup this year or next, bfd, we aren’t going to anyway.

The future will never be secured. There will always be a tantilizing prospect.
No one reasonable is saying put all the chips on the table this year, but getting the kids playoff experience, and show that the org has faith in them is a good thing.

 

[mas0764]

They are. They have the 2nd highest win % in the league. That might be an inconvenient truth for your narrative and team aspirations, but it doesn't make it any less true.

It’s not untrue that they currently have a top winning percentage, but they aren’t one of the best teams.

And, before you start throwing fancy stats and 5v5 stuff at me,

“and before you show me the proof that they aren’t as good as their record is….”

Yeah.

Look, they are good. They just aren’t great. Their 5 on 5 numbers are a very good indicator.

YOU are the one that values winning above everything and those results are right in front of you whether you believe them to be a mirage or not.

I want to win a Cup. Not just rack up regular season wins.

Team GM's that are where the Rangers are aren't moving pieces like Trouba or Kreider for futures. It's just not realistic.

The constant fall back of the homer. The team is gonna do it this way whether you like it or not, so you lose!

No, the team is just wrong.

 

[mas0764]

The future will never be secured. There will always be a tantilizing prospect.
No one reasonable is saying put all the chips on the table this year, but getting the kids playoff experience, and show that the org has faith in them is a good thing.

I’m not saying to tank. The kids are getting playoff experience this year one way or the other.

I’m saying when it comes to fork in the road personnel decisions, you favor youth and the future instead of winning an extra playoff round…. Or more likely trying to win an extra playoff round but failing.

And actually I’ve read a number of people on here who have said to go for it, if not this year then when, etc.

 

[mas0764]

It certainly can if the players become overwhelmed. Countless examples of this around the league where it haultes player development or caused regression. Sink or swim is rarely the best development model for young defenseman

Playing these guys on a second or third pairing isn’t sink or swim. Fox, Lindgren, and Nemeth, would all still be here.

I don’t see the risk of ruining them. I see the risk of losing games, but if we can sit here and say we want to see Jones-Lundkvist on the third pairing then I can certainly also say I want to see Miller-Schneider on the second pairing.

This idea that these young kids are gonna get ruined is outdated 1980s hockey thinking. Young kids play and excel in the pros all the time.

 

[bhamill]

This board is a real hoot sometimes. Hahaha.
I’ll just say it’s great to be subjected to constant complaints about how the team is WINNING… rather than about how they are LOSING.
I’ll take that.

 

[smoneil]

Why is everybody so hooked on Blais? Not singling you out; it's many fans He has never played more than 40 games.

If they do re-sign him it'll be 1-year league min... worth a try but I wouldn't say he's part of a great forward cops.

That's what you would do and that's what I would do, but assuming it's true that they took a lesser return on Buch because they targeted Blais, I doubt Drury walks away from him after 14 games. He has arb rights this summer, too, so I doubt he'd get league minimum.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This team isn’t good 5v5.

this team is also great at special teams.

both these things are true. Neither should be ignored.

 

[egelband]

Do we know why Panarin went out mid-game a couple weeks ago. Maybe against Arizona. Did he just get told mid-game he’s Covid positive? Or was there an injury and then he tested positive?

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

The future will never be secured. There will always be a tantilizing prospect.
No one reasonable is saying put all the chips on the table this year, but getting the kids playoff experience, and show that the org has faith in them is a good thing.

Its not just that.. Its about building a winning culture for the kids to grow up in.

There is a difference in how Edmonton has been perpetually rebuilding and other teams are successful at it

 

[McRanger92]

The Rangers 5v5 issues will be resolved when they commit to shooting the puck consistently and add 2 top 6-9 forwards.

They have been through lots of adversity already and have 10 regulation losses in mid-January. They’ve done a much better job of holding leads late as the season has gone one. They have the star power to take over games & playoff series. I can’t wait to hear MSG again for a home playoff game.

 

[McRanger92]

I don’t want to tear it all down. I want to move out certain pieces until the future is secured. So that means we aren’t gonna win a Cup this year or next, bfd, we aren’t going to anyway.

Dom L says we aren’t winning the Cup, so I guess we shouldn’t even try. Go Rangers!

 

[egelband]

Yes. This is clear. We can’t score at even-strength. And I’d say the reason is the team in general looks like it’s waiting for a lucky break or a power play. And otherwise, they’re content to focus on defense. It’s working now but it’s not going to work in the playoffs. They need much more even-strength urgency and fight.

The good news is that if I can see it, Gallant surely sees it. Hopefully it’s reparable.

 

[tlk]

the team in general looks like it’s waiting for a lucky break or a power play. And otherwise, they’re content to focus on defense. It’s working now but it’s not going to work in the playoffs. They need much more even-strength urgency and fight.

Agree. Need more goals like the Schneider's one.

The good news is that if I can see it, Gallant surely sees it. Hopefully it’s reparable.

Or he might be inclined to test our luck and ride it at least this time around...

 

[Cmox]

Great. Sounds like we're due. Hope it's against the Canes.

You damn well know TDA is getting a multi point game.

 

[haohmaru]

The constant fall back of the homer. The team is gonna do it this way whether you like it or not, so you lose!

No, the team is just wrong.

The team hasn't won or lost anything yet. Because you think it's wrong doesn't necessarily mean that it is. It also doesn't mean that your prescription for winning multiple Cups will pan out either. Nearly every team fails every year and the reality that is the cap world punishes successfully drafting teams sooner or later.

Not a "homer". A realist.

 

[tlk]

You damn well know TDA is getting a multi point game.

With the Canes half a dozen people are

 

[mas0764]

The team hasn't won or lost anything yet. Because you think it's wrong doesn't necessarily mean that it is. It also doesn't mean that your prescription for winning multiple Cups will pan out either. Nearly every team fails every year and the reality that is the cap world punishes successfully drafting teams sooner or later.

Not a "homer". A realist.

Everyone advocates based on what they think. I’m not saying I have a crystal ball. I’m arguing based on all available evidence that this team isn’t likely to win the Cup this year or in the future unless it gets tremendously St Louis Blues style once every two decades kinda lucky.

If you are making moves based on hoping you hit that jackpot, that’s not very smart roster management.