Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[dccuse]

another one? Is this the one where they realize they could have 5 McDavids but it wouldn't matter with their goaltending?

add some skill to the third line.

 

[haohmaru]

The NYR are pretty objectively being carried by goaltending and special teams. Their 5v5 play is near the bottom of the entire NHL.

Goaltending = we've seen that movie before. Special teams become less relevant in the POs due to fewer penalties being called.

Not surprising at all people are skeptical of this team.

Yes, but I take that with a grain of salt considering how many players they're fielding as starters that are 23 years old or younger. Pretty much at least 40% or more on any given night. You have to think that's going to improve over time.

 

[bl02]

add some skill to the third line.

He certainly has skill but I've watched enough of him to see that GG may not like him much. Many times he gives half effort at both ends of the ice. Plus unless Montreal is retaining money at almost 6 million for this year and next I would pass.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Yes, but I take that with a grain of salt considering how many players they're fielding as starters that are 23 years old or younger. Pretty much at least 40% or more on any given night. You have to think that's going to improve over time.

Those players were younger last year and the Rangers were top 10 in GF. It's the strategies that are being deployed by the coaching staff that are leading them to this style of play.

 

[duhmetreE]

Get me Kempe and Kupari. Stephenson wouldn't be a bad option to add to our center core.

Stephenson definitely fits the mold perfectly. A season late.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

I think Jarnkrok is the best target for this team.

If we truly go all in, which I think is more of a possibility than many here think, these would be my moves:

NYR: 2022 1st, Vitali Kravtsov
SJS: Tomas Hertl

NYR: Will Cuylle, 2023 3rd
SEA: Calle Jarnkrok


Kreider - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Strome - Chytil
Lafeniere - Hertl - Jarnkrok
Goodrow - Rooney - Reaves
Barron/Hunt/Gauthier

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Jones - Schneider
Nemeth/Lundkvist

Shesterkin
Georgiev

If Igor stands on his head, that roster can make some noise.

No way in hell I make those trades. If Chris Drury makes those 2 trades, he would need to be relieved of his duties immediately.

 

[Mac n Gs]

The NYR are pretty objectively being carried by goaltending and special teams. Their 5v5 play is near the bottom of the entire NHL.

Goaltending = we've seen that movie before. Special teams become less relevant in the POs due to fewer penalties being called.

Not surprising at all people are skeptical of this team.

This is where I’m at it with them, and where I have some underlying annoyance towards Gallant. I understand that the team is young and still learning, but there’s really no excuse for them to be *this* bad 5v5. Gallant’s had similarly young teams with Florida and a group of misfits in Vegas and got them to play much stronger 5v5 with aggressive, in-your-face pressure all over the ice. We’re the complete opposite of that.

 

[SA16]

I'm not sure it's true that there are fewer penalties in the playoffs. But you are right otherwise.

Its false. There are more penalties in the playoffs. It’s counterintuitive likely because there are more plays that should be called penalties that go uncalled but overall there are more penalties.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

This is where I’m at it with them, and where I have some underlying annoyance towards Gallant. I understand that the team is young and still learning, but there’s really no excuse for them to be *this* bad 5v5. Gallant’s had similarly young teams with Florida and a group of misfits in Vegas and got them to play much stronger 5v5 with aggressive, in-your-face pressure all over the ice. We’re the complete opposite of that.

And the talent we have is at worst on part with both of those teams. Gallant reminds me too much of Torts.

 

[NYR Viper]

I keep mentioning Lehkonen and Jarnkrok because both guys could very conceivably be in NY beyond this season. Also, the cost should not really be more than a 3rd + Gauthier/Hajek for either. These aren’t guys who should cost prime prospects or 2nd’s.

 

[SA16]

I keep mentioning Lehkonen and Jarnkrok because both guys could very conceivably be in NY beyond this season. Also, the cost should not really be more than a 3rd + Gauthier/Hajek for either. These aren’t guys who should cost prime prospects or 2nd’s.

The reason they won’t cost that much is because they aren’t that good and don’t move the needle. They’re nice depth pieces and are upgrades on some of our bottom line guys. They’d be nice adds. There’s no point adding them on their own. Either go all in on adding guys or don’t bother. They don’t solve the issue of a lack of quality RWs. What is going halfway going to accomplish?

 

[NYR Viper]

The reason they won’t cost that much is because they aren’t that good and don’t move the needle. They’re nice depth pieces and are upgrades on some of our bottom line guys. They’d be nice adds. There’s no point adding them on their own. Either go all in on adding guys or don’t bother. They don’t solve the issue of a lack of quality RWs. What is going halfway going to accomplish?

It provides a boost to the lineup and fills a hole. It also proves to the room that the management thinks they have a chance and it brings in someone who they should have interest in retaining of things go well. There’s lots of reasons to build depth and fill holes beyond acquiring a top-6 guy

 

[kovazub94]

i think it can be looked at 2 ways. first, which everyone will agree, we are screwed without Igor. second, its really hard to judge our ability to compete with the top teams when the way the schedule has played out almost half those games have been without igor. therefore there is alot TBD in the games against those teams the rest of the way

Moreover, I personally don’t even understand “if Shesterkin goes down” angle for ssessments. Why stop there? Why not start posting analysis with “if Shesterkin, Fox, Panarin and Zibanejad go down” starting point.

Does anyone call the Rangers true contenders? I haven’t seen it. But even based on the cushion they built so far the Rangers are in the playoffs and if they stay in Metro, it’s not far fetched that Shesterkin caliber goalie and special teams can get a team at least a round win. If this happens personally the season would exceed my expectations and the team is well on the way to be a true contender for the future.

 

[kovazub94]

The NYR are pretty objectively being carried by goaltending and special teams. Their 5v5 play is near the bottom of the entire NHL.

Goaltending = we've seen that movie before. Special teams become less relevant in the POs due to fewer penalties being called.

Not surprising at all people are skeptical of this team.

This post is what I’m talking about. People are skeptical of this team achieving what???

 

[Mandar]

See, here's your problem, you believe that a team that is horrible 5 on 5 is going to make it in the playoffs. They aren't. This team lives and dies with the PP and goaltending - and that's the mark of a team that's a first round exit.

And also, it hasn't been sustainable, just like I said. When I started saying that, they were in the middle of a 7 game winning streak. They followed that up by going 8-7-1, which is .500. They started playing better teams and the better teams took it to them. Their largest win streak has been 3 games. This also includes barely beating teams like Arizona and Buffalo. The way they were winning wasn't sustainable. So, I was right, and you were wrong.

There's literally no goalpost moving with that argument either, it's just a straight fact that is borne out by the underlying numbers, the actual numbers and the eye test.

If the Rangers beat Toronto and Carolina this week, it will go a long way. But the fact that you think that this team doesn't have to be better is mind boggling. The players and coaches themselves have said it.

This is such a convoluted mess of garbage.

16-3 against eastern conference teams. 24 of first 39 games on the road (two west coast trips). A .679 points percentage after 39 games….when you gave your not sustainable sermon, they were hovering around .700…and I asked you point blank numerous times to tell me when this all comes back to bite them. They are on virtually the same pace still. Now, I don’t know how you ambulance chasers define “SUSTAINABLE”, but it would seem they have sustained this pace all year.

Riding great goaltending and excellent special teams is now considered a flaw according to you, and evidently successful teams don’t rely on that…who knew?

The back to back wins against the 2-time defending champs means nothing to you, yet games against the Leafs and Canes are where you are gonna hang your isles cap, huh?

And I challenge you to find even one instance where I say they don’t need to improve….please provide some evidence of that counselor. But I do choose to enjoy the success and not revel in their losses in some sort of “I told you so” confirmation.

Boy, you isles fans are bitter…I guess it’s an inbred thing.

 

[jay from jersey]

How did you not get the coaching job when it was available?

Didn’t apply .

 

[Larrys13]

add some skill to the third line.

NYR Kravtsov, Gauthier, 2022 2nd
MTL Drouin @ 50%

Would like to see him w/ Laf

 

[jay from jersey]

i thought Rousell was on the decline ? I don’t see many Yotes games though

He’s cooked imo.
I’d rather get Boyd from ARI if we’re dealing with them

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

This post is what I’m talking about. People are skeptical of this team achieving what???

In the context of the roster building thread - skeptical that this team is a Hertl+ away from actually having a shot at the Cup and therefore should be trading this years 1st, Lundqvist, Jones, etc for a pure rental.

 

[jay from jersey]

I think Jarnkrok is the best target for this team.

If we truly go all in, which I think is more of a possibility than many here think, these would be my moves:

NYR: 2022 1st, Vitali Kravtsov
SJS: Tomas Hertl

NYR: Will Cuylle, 2023 3rd
SEA: Calle Jarnkrok


Kreider - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Strome - Chytil
Lafeniere - Hertl - Jarnkrok
Goodrow - Rooney - Reaves
Barron/Hunt/Gauthier

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Jones - Schneider
Nemeth/Lundkvist

Shesterkin
Georgiev

If Igor stands on his head, that roster can make some noise.

can prob get Jarnkrok for a draft pick. No need to part with Cuylle

 

[kovazub94]

In the context of the roster building thread - skeptical that this team is a Hertl+ away from actually having a shot at the Cup and therefore should be trading this years 1st, Lundqvist, Jones, etc for a pure rental.

Understood. I personally don’t even consider this one since the trade cost will be enormous. But adding someone of this caliber without any important subtractions from this roster when healthy will definitely move a needle quite a lot for one playoff run.

 

[Daves a mess]

Tippet's going bye bye.

 

[AWall THE CLAW]

did Hertl do that?

Well, he's got a 3 team no trade and it's believed the Rangers are one of those 3 teams.

 

[SA16]

Now that I am back on my computer...

From 2018 to 2020 there were 6.4 PP/GP in the playoffs. 5.8 in the regular season. They go up. Playoff OT isn't the reason since it's rare for penalties to be called then and not nearly enough would happen to make up that large of a difference.

Maybe in the playoffs there SHOULD be more calls so the percent of plays that should be powerplays goes down but that doesn't really matter. An effective special teams will have more opportunities in the playoffs than the regular season.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

This is such a convoluted mess of garbage.

16-3 against eastern conference teams. 24 of first 39 games on the road (two west coast trips). A .679 points percentage after 39 games….when you gave your not sustainable sermon, they were hovering around .700…and I asked you point blank numerous times to tell me when this all comes back to bite them. They are on virtually the same pace still. Now, I don’t know how you ambulance chasers define “SUSTAINABLE”, but it would seem they have sustained this pace all year.

Riding great goaltending and excellent special teams is now considered a flaw according to you, and evidently successful teams don’t rely on that…who knew?

The back to back wins against the 2-time defending champs means nothing to you, yet games against the Leafs and Canes are where you are gonna hang your isles cap, huh?

And I challenge you to find even one instance where I say they don’t need to improve….please provide some evidence of that counselor. But I do choose to enjoy the success and not revel in their losses in some sort of “I told you so” confirmation.

Boy, you isles fans are bitter…I guess it’s an inbred thing.

I understand why you think it's convoluted, because it's above your head. 16-3, but how many of those teams were actual playoff teams? You were crowing about a 7 game win streak, but they followed that up by being actual .500, and being 3-7 against teams in a playoff position. So the two games against the Lightning are actually an outlier, and not the norm.

Riding goaltending and special teams is a flaw, because without the 5 on 5 play, you are not winning anything when it matters most. No team won the cup being as bad of a 5 on 5 team as the Rangers currently are. Hate to break this to you, but the Flyers don't play in the playoffs.

Again, I was right, and you were wrong. The winning they were doing was not sustainable, which has been proven by their recent record of 8-7-1. They still beat the bad teams (sometime barely, last night being a shining example of that) and still lose to the better teams more often than they beat them.

Seethe and cope. I'm sure you'll be nowhere to be found next time they lose to an actual good team, because that's what you do