Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXX

[jay from jersey]

It's getting silly with Barron already. Just waive Tinordi and bring him up. Hajek is a fine 7D.

Right.??? Wtf am I missing?

Tinordi is tough, great. He’s been awful. He’s making defensive Gaffs that are letting in goals for the Wolfpack. Let alone NYR.
He’s beyond useless. We have plenty of balls on the roster now.
Why on earth wouldn’t you want this kid ( Barron) to get 3-4 games as an injury call up at least?

 

[bleedblue94]

Good luck with the salary retention, but Horvat would be 100% awesome. Nucks would be braindead to trade him.

He's a ufa after next year. Trading him in their situation is far from braindead if the return makes sense

 

[rangersfansince08]

We used to say the same thing about Kreider. Patience.

True. Hopefully this version of Kreider is what we get going forward.

 

[TominNC]

well I don’t think we can complain w the results

the mistake was not waiving Hajek to play Kravtsov

Blais got hurt

they are going to bring in rentals by the deadline

For the hundredth time, Hajek and Kravtsov are unrelated.

 

[Inferno]

For the hundredth time, Hajek and Kravtsov are unrelated.

I don't believe that for a second.

If hajek just wasn't on the roster...and everyone else was exactly the same...I bet you anything kravtsov makes the team.

With that said I don't really have as big of an issue with the way things played out as many ppl here so.

 

[Ola]

I'm fine restructuring parts of the team, but when you have arguably a top three goalie in the league signed to essentially a sweetheart contract right now you'd be foolish to trade him. There's plenty of other places to look at for making moves If you want to really shake up the roster.

It’s not about shaking up the roster (which I don’t think this team need). It’s about taking a step back and look where your team is — which can be done after a long stretch of gathering assets — and then send it in the right direction.

My take of this team is this. No team will be perfect. No team will look pretty for 60 minutes a night 82 games a year. We have to live with some flaws on the roster.

But I do think the flaw we have in terms of lack of quickness and speed at center ice, is costly. I would also like to see another real ‘weapon’ offensively on the blueline. This is also against the background of an expectation that Ziba and Panarin will slow down eventually. Getting that real speedy threat at center ice is just important.

If that is the conclusion you come to, there will never be any short cuts. There aren’t many players that fits that mold to start with. Newhook is one. What would it take to get Newhook? It’s going to be names like Laf or Shesty or Miller. Lundkvist won’t get us that center.

So I don’t mind playing out this season with what we got. I don’t think we need a shake up, more the opposite. But which team are we going to be the coming 5-10 years? I didn’t know about Bryam’s latest concussion problems, but in theory, getting Newhook and Bryam could move us from being like a version of one of those good SJ teams to more of a Tampa prime team.

 

[mas0764]

He no doubt was expecting production from Mika. I know, crazy. Also something more from Chytil, Laf and Kakko. Their 5v5 scoring should be better.

Im fairly certain they didn’t sit around thinking Kreider will score well over 30 and then there’s Panarin. We’re good.

Of course they could have had Kravtsov by now but he missed mommy.

Or Drury could have swallowed his pride, but, he had to be the big man and browbeat the kid.

 

[mas0764]

I don't believe that for a second.

If hajek just wasn't on the roster...and everyone else was exactly the same...I bet you anything kravtsov makes the team.

With that said I don't really have as big of an issue with the way things played out as many ppl here so.

Would it have been possible to waive Hajek and keep Kravtsov on the active roster? Yes.

Then that’s what should have happened before pissing him off and having him defect. It was Drury’s job to know this and prevent it from happening.

Kravtsov should have handled it differently but when he didn’t, Drury should have handled it differently. His apologists refuse to accept that, mostly cause they are homers.

 

[Ola]

I think - and I think you would agree - they’ve made their bed, so to speak. You may be completely right that they should re-think the team composition, but realistically the Rangers are going with what they have and not making huge changes…unless something crazy happens.

Yeah for sure, and I am definitely looking way down the road on this one.

Keep this group together, play out the POs. See how the Nukes of the east fare. Where is Tampa at? Carolina? Florida? What is realistically needed?

And I am not saying that proposal should be executed at that point either. But I do think that we are coming to a point where it’s perhaps best to really evaluate your team and consider all alternatives.

 

[mas0764]

The Rangers are not locked in yet. They have, as Edge explained, the opportunity to approach Kreider and Trouba about trades the next two summers and that is becoming more and more likely as they need to address young top center.

 

[CLW]

Or Drury could have swallowed his pride, but, he had to be the big man and browbeat the kid.

Kravtsov made his own decision, do you understand that? Kravtsov made his own choice for his own reasons for his own benefit, and proved himself unreliable. He's gone and I couldn't care less.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Kravtsov was expecting a top-6 role, so he would be gone in this scenario.

Kravtsov expected a top-6 role because Drury traded away Buchnevich. Without that trade happening, it's a different story.

 

[NYR Viper]

Kravtsov expected a top-6 role because Drury traded away Buchnevich. Without that trade happening, it's a different story.

Yes, perhaps Kravtsov doesn’t even come over at that point…

 

[jay from jersey]

Would it have been possible to waive Hajek and keep Kravtsov on the active roster? Yes.

Then that’s what should have happened before pissing him off and having him defect. It was Drury’s job to know this and prevent it from happening.

Kravtsov should have handled it differently but when he didn’t, Drury should have handled it differently. His apologists refuse to accept that, mostly cause they are homers.

how? How could Drury have handled this differently??
The only thing I can think of is he should have pressed harder to deal him in the offseason knowing there was bad blood there.....
I doubt even Drury thought Kravtsov Would bounce after a conditioning stint in the AHL. Nobody was expecting that kind of reaction out of him. That’s pathetic.
Should he have forced Gallant to keep him on the roster over a Guy who worked just as hard or better? Plus he missed some time with an injury. Does he think that just doesn’t matter to a first year coach?? Wouldn’t krav or his agent think Gallant might want him to be in peak shape and all healed from injury so he can add him to the roster and evaluate where he should go from there.
Drury and Gallant have to be worried about running and coaching a team, they aren’t going to bend over backwards for Krav when it’s abundantly clear when he doesn’t like something he abandons his team. That’s his history.
I’m not a Drury apologist, but when assigning blame, it’s like 90-10 kravtsovs way. Maybe 85-15.
But I have to believe if Drury really thought krav was going to bounce over a conditioning stint in the A, he would have tried a lot harder to trade him in the offseason.
You have been trashing Drury since preseason, so maybe the agenda is with you as opposed to the apologist.
Every move he’s made has long term and short term improvement for this team and has fixed their lack of balls and culture shift.
The only disappointing thing was getting Blais+2nd for Buch instead of Blais+1st. But like I said earlier, mitigating factors and the player he targeted affected the cost I’m guessing.
Other then that- Reaves, Hunt, Goodrow, hiring Gallant, trading Howden, signing Nemeth to a moveable short term deal, drafting Othmann, protecting Rooney over Blackwell, ( which I’m sure the 2nd line didn’t like), and adding Blais and a 2nd.
If not getting a 1st for instead of a 2nd is his worst move of the offseason, how is that overall not a tremendous success???
Kravtsov made his decision. It was to overreact and fly back to Russia again, over a short term conditioning stint with Hartford. I bet if you ask kravy right now, he’d likely tell you he made the wrong decision and shouldn’t have come out publicly and caused a scene like that and abandon his team for a 2nd time.

 

[LOFIN]

I don't believe that for a second.

If hajek just wasn't on the roster...and everyone else was exactly the same...I bet you anything kravtsov makes the team.

With that said I don't really have as big of an issue with the way things played out as many ppl here so.

Kravtsov would've sat on the f***ing press box like Gauthier if he was kept in the roster instead of Hajek. That's why he was sent down, because they wanted him to get minutes instead of being a 13th forward because supposedly he was going to be a f***ing superstar in this league. And sitting a potential superstar in the box instead of getting him minutes is not good development.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

well I don’t think we can complain w the results

the mistake was not waiving Hajek to play Kravtsov

Blais got hurt

they are going to bring in rentals by the deadline

Buch is a way better player than Blais, and Blais may not even be back after this season.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Stop blaming Drury for Kravtsov's immaturity. It was his decision to go back home. He would have been in the NHL a few weeks after being sent down. He didn't have to trade Buch but he wasn't going to pay him 6 mil per either. He got Blais who is a good player and a 2nd for him. Assuming he wasn't traded and on this team right now what do you do with him? Do you let him walk for nothing? Do you trade him at the deadline for something when the team is in playoff contention? They are dealing with that same question right now with Strome. Sometimes difficult decisions have to be made and not all work out perfectly.

You know nothing of the Kravtsov situation yet you keep making assumptions....nobody here knows what happened....nobody. Secondly we are sitting on enough cap space for Buch and as long as you didnt give him nmc you could move him whenever you wanted for atleast as much as they got for him and Spoiler alert, Blais isnt signed past this year so we are probably only ending up with a 2nd.

 

[CLW]

Buch is a way better player than Blais, and Blais may not even be back after this season.

The FO wasn't going to go into the new season with both Strome and Buch on the team. They couldn't move Strome so Buch was traded. The trade returned a veteran player with a physical game, in line with the stated aim of making the team harder to play against.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The FO wasn't going to go into the new season with both Strome and Buch on the team. They couldn't move Strome so Buch was traded. The trade returned a veteran player with a physical game, in line with the stated aim of making the team harder to play against.

Yes but we also got hunt and reaves and resigned Rooney, we now have a 3rd line that cant score and a 2nd with Hunt on it. Its a crime that Laf has to play with Chytil and Gauthier. We didnt have to aquire a checking forward for Buch.

 

[CLW]

You know nothing of the Kravtsov situation yet you keep making assumptions....nobody here knows what happened....nobody. Secondly we are sitting on enough cap space for Buch and as long as you didnt give him nmc you could move him whenever you wanted for atleast as much as they got for him and Spoiler alert, Blais isnt signed past this year so we are probably only ending up with a 2nd.

We know for a fact that Kravtsov chose to hit his return to Russia button as his first option, when it was not necessary to do so by any means. The rest is noise.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We know for a fact that Kravtsov chose to hit his return to Russia button as his first option, when it was not necessary to do so by any means. The rest is noise.

How was it not necessary. What inside infor do you have? We know he left, we dont know why, all we know is what the Rangers media spin told us

 

[LOFIN]

How was it not necessary. What inside infor do you have? We know he left, we dont know why, all we know is what the Rangers media spin told us

Do tell us, what you think was the reason then?

 

[jay from jersey]

You know nothing of the Kravtsov situation yet you keep making assumptions....nobody here knows what happened....nobody. Secondly we are sitting on enough cap space for Buch and as long as you didnt give him nmc you could move him whenever you wanted for atleast as much as they got for him and Spoiler alert, Blais isnt signed past this year so we are probably only ending up with a 2nd.

pretty obvious, as well as leaks from some insiders.
Drury and Krav got into a verbal thing about quitting on the team at the bubble.
Kravy had a bad exit interview and when Drury was hired as GM, he thought he would be traded in the offseason.
Rangers dealt Buch and Kravtsov thought he was a shoe in for a top 6 or top 9 spot.
After he was injured at camp and found out he was being sent to the A for a conditioning stint, he lost his shit and demanded a trade publicly.
He then ran back to Russia for the 2nd time.
Now Drury and Kravy are playing nice in efforts to hopefully up his trade value. Drury made the agreement with Traktor for him to do so.
The kid is very immature and likely spoiled. When he was told by unnamed player that spots are earned, not just given to you because your a top 10 pick, I’m guessing he didn’t like that either.
I mean I really don’t see how anyone can think this isn’t 90% on krav and his actions... it really boggles my mind
JD and Gorton has to basically step in and bring him back to Hartford on his 1st escape attempt because when he got back to Traktor, he wasn’t playing well and was going to be sent down to their affiliate and basically lose an entire year of development playing against sub par competition.
It looked like when he came back he was at least doing things and progressing even with the shitshow The season prior. I thought he was solid in his 20 games with NYR, many did, even though Quinn left him on 4th line the whole time.
I thought he looked good enough in camp and the got injured. Scored a nice goal when he got back, but still missed some evaluation time under the new HC.
But when he was told he wouldn’t be on the opening Roster, he lost his marbles again with that immature/spoil brat attitude.
He thought he was too good/talented for Hartford the year after he was drafted, and still thinks that. He’s the mighty Kravy, he has nothing to learn from playing in the A, it’s beneath him.

 

[CLW]

Yes but we also got hunt and reaves and resigned Rooney, we now have a 3rd line that cant score and a 2nd with Hunt on it. Its a crime that Laf has to play with Chytil and Gauthier

The plan was for Laf to stick with Zib and Kreider on the first line, but he wasn't ready. Laffy isn't comfortable on the right, so he ended up on the third line. If Chytil had progressed this year things might look different but instead his weaknesses have been highlighted. Kravtsov is talented and could have played on the Laf-Chytil line, but he is too good for third line duty according to himself so he is in Russia.

We know Drury tried to sign Danault, who would have been either 2C or 3C, probably 3C as Strome couldn't be moved.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Do tell us, what you think was the reason then?

I don't know so i don't make stuff up or regurgitate other posters posturings and "leaks". I think the fact that Kravtsov hasn't commented on the whole thing shows more maturity than he's given credit for.