Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXX

[Fitzy]

It really didn’t, but I am sure people besides you will tell themselves that to try and justify his being the worst contract on the team right now.

Sure, that’s an argument.

I think the fact that Goodrow is overpaid the way he is works at least as a justification to try to make him work in a more important role for the club.

If it fails so be it, but I think it’s worth a try since he’s being paid like a shutdown 3C already

 

[bl02]

And what play a tandem of Georgiev and Kinkaid? Awful

As well as hand the Avs a cup. No thanks

 

[McRanger92]

I think this team suffered a lot more from the loss of DeAngelo than it did Fast or Buchnevich. Similarly, I think our biggest weakness right now is on the backend and not up front. Generating offense in the league right now has a lot to do with having defensemen who can join, lead, and sustain the attack both on the rush and in zone. Fox is elite in this regard. Trouba is fine to good, though with his footspeed it comes with more risk. K'Andre has potential, but isn't there yet by any stretch. Nils is in a similar boat. Nemeth and Lindgren are definitely not good at this.

The games they lose are the ones where the D can’t get the puck out of their end. Giordano or Lindholm should be the deadline targets

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I will repost these once there is a GDT.
Adam (Crafty) Fox, Ryan (I’m only human) Reaves and Coach Gerard (Sniffles) Gallant Pre-Game Media Availability.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Yes, but at what point does experiencing the playoffs for players like Lindgren, Fox, Kakko, Lafreniere, Miller, Shesterkin, Lundkvist, Chytil, Gauthier, and anyone else that hasn't been there yet outweigh the fact that we are giving up assets for when the team is ready?

One thing about the NHL that is different from other sports like baseball, football, and even basketball (look at the Suns last year): playoff experience matters. When 40% of the roster hasn't been there, it's a big deal. They need to know what that level of game is like to develop further. They need to know what it is like to play more than 82 games, to prepare for a longer season. To know what you need to do in the summer so when you play game 90 of a season that you have more in the tank.

We're gonna make playoffs, i just dont think we should be throwing assets down the drain to maybe win a couple more games

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Makes no sense why they cant just promote Laf

They didnt say what line Chytil was gonna be on, just that he'd be left wing, i assumed it meant that he moves into Lafreniere's spot and Rooney maybe plays center but thats just me

 

[Savant]

Sure, that’s an argument.

I think the fact that Goodrow is overpaid the way he is works at least as a justification to try to make him work in a more important role for the club.

If it fails so be it, but I think it’s worth a try since he’s being paid like a shutdown 3C already

Except that he never has been a shutdown 3C in his NHL career. Goodrow’s best stretch of his career was as a left wing on an energy line where he was easily the third best player on that line. The contract the Rangers gave him was insanity. To be fair they didn’t know Hunt would be as good, but they didn’t need Goodrow AND Hunt (and Blais)

 

[Vitto79]

No more 4th liners please

Hunt is a 4th line top 6 right now lol

I do get it though but higher rental cost

 

[BillyCostigan]

For every 2 games Byram plays he sits for 15. He's very good, but 100% unreliable and should not be a part of a future plan, too much concussion damage already. Hard to picture him being able to play even 40 games a season with how fragile he is.

Shesterkin is your best player and the best young goalie in the NHL, why the hell would you want to get rid of him? For a desperate playoff push that will die in the 1st round because your starting goalie is now Keith f***ing Kinkaid?

Rangers are more than fine, put Laf on the 2nd line and leave that roster alone. Let Strome walk and move Laf to 2C next year!

 

[TheDirtyH]

The games they lose are the ones where the D can’t get the puck out of their end. Giordano or Lindholm should be the deadline targets

I doubt Anaheim would move on from Lindholm rn, but Giordano would be my pick easily this season, depending on the price. He's right in that age window where he could be cheap to resign as long as he feels we're a contender.

 

[bobbop]

I think this team suffered a lot more from the loss of DeAngelo than it did Fast or Buchnevich. Similarly, I think our biggest weakness right now is on the backend and not up front. Generating offense in the league right now has a lot to do with having defensemen who can join, lead, and sustain the attack both on the rush and in zone. Fox is elite in this regard. Trouba is fine to good, though with his footspeed it comes with more risk. K'Andre has potential, but isn't there yet by any stretch. Nils is in a similar boat. Nemeth and Lindgren are definitely not good at this.

Very astute post

 

[bobbop]

Yes, but at what point does experiencing the playoffs for players like Lindgren, Fox, Kakko, Lafreniere, Miller, Shesterkin, Lundkvist, Chytil, Gauthier, and anyone else that hasn't been there yet outweigh the fact that we are giving up assets for when the team is ready?

One thing about the NHL that is different from other sports like baseball, football, and even basketball (look at the Suns last year): playoff experience matters. When 40% of the roster hasn't been there, it's a big deal. They need to know what that level of game is like to develop further. They need to know what it is like to play more than 82 games, to prepare for a longer season. To know what you need to do in the summer so when you play game 90 of a season that you have more in the tank.

Playoff experience matters.

You don't just show up in the playoffs and win. You qualify, you learn, you get better. Rinse, wash, repeat. No one wins their first time through.

A nice run to the playoffs and a round or two would do wonders for this young core. The Rangers will have a once in a captime chance to add at the deadline this year. Go for it!

 

[haohmaru]

Playoff experience matters.

You don't just show up in the playoffs and win. You qualify, you learn, you get better. Rinse, wash, repeat. No one wins their first time through.

A nice run to the playoffs and a round or two would do wonders for this young core. The Rangers will have a once in a captime chance to add at the deadline this year. Go for it!

And this is why Goodrow has the contract he does. Rings. On a team with very little playoff experience he's being paid extra for that and for what he brings on the ice at crunch time.

I don't love his contract but I understand it in the context of this team.

 

[leetch99]

We're gonna make playoffs, i just dont think we should be throwing assets down the drain to maybe win a couple more games

Only if we think we can have home ice in round one . We might be able to get past the Caps ....get her done quick and remain healthy...who knows ? I would not dive too deep on a guy though .

 

[mas0764]

Shesty and Chytil for Newhook and Byram. Slide Laf over to center and let Strome walk in the summer, next year:
Kreider-Ziba-Kravy
Panarin-Laf-Hunt
Goodrow-Newhook-Kakko
Reeves-Rooney-Barron
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Byram-Lundkvist
Kinkaid
Geo

Then when Ziba get too old and slow to play center effectively you slide him over to LW with Newhook and his jets at center.

This is a lot easier to sell if we had drafted Wallstedt.

But I don’t know if we can give Shesterkin away now, but something like this should be the idea. How about Kravtsov, a D in Hartford and a pick for Lundell?

 

[mas0764]

We're gonna make playoffs, i just dont think we should be throwing assets down the drain to maybe win a couple more games

truth

 

[mas0764]

Playoff experience matters but not at the expense of talent.

Get the young talent first and then let them get the experience organically.

 

[Ola]

This is a lot easier to sell if we had drafted Wallstedt.

But I don’t know if we can give Shesterkin away now, but something like this should be the idea. How about Kravtsov, a D in Hartford and a pick for Lundell?

Yeah, and I of course agree.

But sometimes it’s moves like this that can change the future of an organization. Colorado dealt Mats Sundin and Sandis Ozolinsh and got Clark and Nolan. Boston more or less gave Seguin away.

You take a step back and evaluate where you are as a team, what is needed, and go out and create the right structure. I think we need more speed at center ice. How can we get it? Teams don’t trade centers, it’s so hard to get them. I really like Newhook. How could we get him? Point, Barzal or Aho aren’t happening.

Honestly, if we for some reason lost Shesty, I wouldn’t be super worried about our goaltending. It just feels like BA would dig someone up.

 

[Daves a mess]

Well at least the weak groin posse will be back soon.

 

[bleedblue94]

Wait we have people suggesting we trade Igor now?!?!

 

[haohmaru]

Wait we have people suggesting we trade Igor now?!?!

He's 25. OUT! OUT! OUT!

 

[bleedblue94]

He's 25. OUT! OUT! OUT!

Dear God

 

[Alluckks]

We sold a 2C, 2RWand 3rd pairing d all on expiring contracts one year with Nash Hayes and Holden and the combined cost was astronomical haha.

We might be fortunate to get one of the three on the list

Hayes was a 2C, and Nash was sold with the price tag of a top line winger. We'd be fine with someone that is better than Dryden Hunt whose game can mesh with Panarin/Strome, and we just need a good 3C, we don't need a surefire 2C.

Also, a major difference is cap. Teams are cash strapped as hell, some internally, but all also as it goes with the cap being stagnant. Only so many teams can absorb big rental contracts. There is quite a bit different than when we sold. Also, the Nash trade was viewed as then and especially in hindsight as a huge Rangers win, should we even it out of other examples where the team acquiring the rental got a huge win?

 

[duhmetreE]

Trade Chytil and one of our young D for middle6 center.

Give Barron a look as well

 

[tomobson]

Trade Chytil and one of our young D for middle6 center.

Give Barron a look as well

I'd rather trade Chytil 1 for 1 for a right winger. Centers aren't cheap and I think that's a battle that is going to have be fought in the offseason. Just roll with Goodrow or Barron as centers on that line. Hopefully Chytil can bring back someone with a bit more skill to that 2 RW slot than Hunt. If the RW Chytil brings in a trade has a good season with Panarin then we've recouped some value if we need to replace Strome next season. Chytil's value is going to drop even lower if they continue to play him on wing especially with how bad our centers are at playing center.