Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXX

[MrAlmost]

I would say that the Rangers are perfect trade partners for the Coyotes, but not really the other way around. I suspect if the we are interested in Chychrun, the package would be more of a quantity sort of offer. Not to say there wouldn't be quality there, but the Rangers have enough spare NHL ready pieces that the Coyotes kinda need right now. Nemeth, Chytil, Lundqvist, Georgiev and a 2nd. All signed or upcoming RFA, all positions of need for the Coyotes (honestly, what position isn't) and all can be replaced internally by the Rangers without losing much.

Doubt it happens at all, let alone for that package though.

 

[mas0764]

I don't think you give guys like Trouba, Strome and Kreider enough credit. These are the kinds of players every team would find a roster spot for and give big minutes to. I understand your desire to see the young players shine but that takes time. This doesn't have to be an either/or situation. How about we give this team an opportunity to show what they can do in the playoffs before deciding they aren't good enough to win in the playoffs? There's absolutely no need to rush anything, especially since two of the guys you want gone are in total control of the situation for the next 2-3 seasons.

Well to the extent that none of us control anything we are all just here spitting into the wind.

But I'm of the opinion that we don't have enough. The breakdown I posted of what we could have would be getting dangerously close. It would be liquidation of those extra picks and a defenseman or two to get an elite center, or Brad Lambert or something, away from being completely loaded.

I have no choice but to sit back and watch. But I can't lie, I think the team right now doesn't have enough for either now or the future.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He shoulda done the Adam Fox maneuver, eh?

I mean, I would. If I was a top center prospect like that, I'd do the same thing. I'm staying in college or whatever until my time is up then I'm signing with the Rangers. Or trade me there now.

He'd be UFA in 2 years if he had. All jokes aside, he's made the right choice signing with the team that drafted him.

 

[McRanger92]

Well to the extent that none of us control anything we are all just here spitting into the wind.

But I'm of the opinion that we don't have enough. The breakdown I posted of what we could have would be getting dangerously close. It would be liquidation of those extra picks and a defenseman or two to get an elite center, or Brad Lambert or something, away from being completely loaded.

I have no choice but to sit back and watch. But I can't lie, I think the team right now doesn't have enough for either now or the future.

I think flooding these threads with takes like this when the team has gotten off to its best start ever and has yet to show us what they have in a real playoff series with fan is just unnecessary negativity. You've built this narrative that anything less than winning multiple Cups is a failure, which is ridiculous.

 

[haohmaru]

I'm going by what Edge reported and he seems to be trusted around here.


Well part of our difference in viewpoint may be personality based: it is endlessly disheartening for me that I see a team that as currently constructed probably won't turn into a Cup favorite (ie when we are told "this is our core." It better not be!)

Think about this though:

Robertson - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Strome - Chytil
Lafreniere - Kupari - Kravtsov
Gauthier - Rooney - Goodrow

Reaves, Hunt as scratches.

Marat Khusnutdinov in the minors.

Two first round picks in the coming draft.

It was there to be accomplished.

So..... Robertson.... career high 17 goals and 9 goals behind Kreider this year, is our top six winger to replace Kreider on your Cup winning roster?

And Kupari and Kravtsov, with a combined 11 points in 52 NHL games is your 3rd line?

This is what I'm talking about with you and "might be's". Kravtsov has proven nothing. Neither has Kupari, Neither has LaF or Kakko for that matter and, yet, there they are in this Cup winning roster of yours. Top three lines are all talent/finesse and no go and get the puck. That wins regular season games, not Cups.

These are assets that might or might not develop into better players than Kreider. As of this moment, none of them have proven anything to that effect.

I hope it pans out for all of our young guys, I really do. But some of them are getting long in the tooth to develop as truly elite top six guys. Kakko has played 139 games. Lafreniere 85. It's time to take that step if they are going to become what you envision they need to be.

Do I think this is a Cup winning roster? Not as constructed but definitely progressing in that direction. Hart trophy finalist, Norris trophy D, among the best undrafted forwards in the history of the NHL, 1OA, 2OA, some Cup winners, a Vezina quality goalie, etc... Needs tweaks but taking steps forward.

 

[GAGLine]

So..... Robertson.... career high 17 goals and 9 goals behind Kreider this year, is our top six winger to replace Kreider on your Cup winning roster?

I won't argue the rest, but Robertson is 8 years younger than Kreider and has 21 points in 20 games this year. He had 45 points in 51 games last year. He's absolutely a top 6 winger.

 

[bleedblue94]

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[Thirty One]

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take a look y'all

 

[haohmaru]

I won't argue the rest, but Robertson is 8 years younger than Kreider and has 21 points in 20 games this year. He had 45 points in 51 games last year. He's absolutely a top 6 winger.

I'd like to see a resume a bit longer than 75 games before declaring anyone anything. Are we going to say that Lafreniere is a bust at 85 games?

Peter Prucha looked pretty good his first 70 games, too. But, yes, I agree that Robertson looks like a top 6 staple.

This team is goal starved and the guy that's got 17 is the one we should've traded? No one else even has 10 and the guy, above, has half that. What would this PP look like without CK on it?

Some of us just never get past the fact that a winning team needs veterans that can provide leadership and scoring. Most 22 year olds can't do both and all Cup teams have significant vets in significant roles. Ideally would I like them to be 27 and not 30? Sure. This wouldn't be an issue if we weren't buyout-happy and giving away assets for nothing which, to my eyes, is the larger transgression than not making a possible CK trade.

 

[haohmaru]

take a look y'all

It's busted, whatever it is/was.

 

[egelband]

The guy from Vegas I’d love us to get is JA Marchessault. But his contract makes that impossible, unfortunately.

 

[Ola]

I'm going by what Edge reported and he seems to be trusted around here.

The team made mistakes. Not the first and won't be the last either.

I'm not always right either. But I am this time.



Ok. But those errors should be recognized and then be instructive as for how to do better moving forward.



Well part of our difference in viewpoint may be personality based: it is endlessly disheartening for me that I see a team that as currently constructed probably won't turn into a Cup favorite (ie when we are told "this is our core." It better not be!)

There is time to change that but the BEST and EASIEST time to address these dire needs has passed (the Kreider and Buch trade opportunities, a hypothetical DeAngelo trade opportunity which I banged the drum for and was told he was too valuable to trade, or, continuing to tank).

I like to see the team win too, but every game I see won on the back of Kreider and Strome, et al, is also a blatant reminder of how far we need to go and how much the kids need to develop before we will have a hope of winning a Cup.

As far as moving forward, I accept the team isn't tanking anymore, but the team has to be open to getting 2-3 more young forwards. I'm not saying go get guys who are years and years away, but you have to get some Lundells or Newhooks or something, guys who aren't Zegras-type untouchable, but project as top 6ers and are also in the league TODAY. Yes, they are very expensive but, you know, Kupari and a first for Buch was on the table. Robertson and a first for Kreider was on the table. Again, how f'n sweet would it be to have Robertson, Kupari, and two firsts here instead of Kreider, Blais and a second? Robertson is probably already Kreider's equal or superior. Kupari checks young middle six center if not 2C. You also have an extra first round prospect from 2020 - let's say Maret Khusnutidov with that Stars pick and an extra first in this coming draft that can be packaged to move up for, say, Brad Lambert.

Something nice will probably be on the table at the deadline for Strome. Kreider and Trouba at some point can be approached to waive and something nice may be on the table for them. The prospects we have can't be pawned off for deadline rentals like Joe Pavelski, they have to be consolidated into a package for the next Eichel that becomes available. Kravtsov has to be begged to return because he's desperately needed to turn into a good top 6 winger.... unless we LIKE Hunt playing constant top 6 minutes.

These are the things that need to change. It's not impossible and it doesn't require running off every veteran. Even if we moved Kreider, we'd have Mika, Panarin, Goodrow, etc. It's just that SOME of these guys are going to have to go because we need to acknowledge the build is unfinished in relation to top young forward talent.

Think about this though:

Robertson - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Strome - Chytil
Lafreniere - Kupari - Kravtsov
Gauthier - Rooney - Goodrow

Reaves, Hunt as scratches.

Marat Khusnutdinov in the minors.

Two first round picks in the coming draft.

It was there to be accomplished.

I am all for trading Kreider, but ultimately, there is no way around that it’s — tremendously — rare that a player with a NMC, two or three years into a seven year contract, is traded.

So I wouldn’t hang up any plans on that player getting moved. I think that Trouba getting traded, also is tremendously unlikely.

 

[haohmaru]

The guy from Vegas I’d love us to get is JA Marchessault. But his contract makes that impossible, unfortunately.

Another one that got away

 

[Daves a mess]

I am all for trading Kreider, but ultimately, there is no way around that it’s — tremendously — rare that a player with a NMC, two or three years into a seven year contract, is traded.

So I wouldn’t hang up any plans on that player getting moved. I think that Trouba getting traded, also is tremendously unlikely.

No need to trade either one now or next year. Both are playing great, the teams record is amazing, (smoke and mirrors) but yeah, I'd save those conversations for 2024.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Repeat after me....this is not our year to go all in for a cup, rentals need not apply.

 

[egelband]

Chytil getting scratched for Gregg Fn McKegg must be a real kick in the d**k for FIL. Trading he and Kravstov in a package is probably the way to go, but talk about selling low.

Sucks that a
good player like Zac Jones may have to be added because Fil hasn't gotten better and Kravstov is allergic to Connecticut air.

Fil I think was scratched to give him a break and some perspective. And I think it’s a great move. I’ll be surprised if he isn’t back against Vegas and a lot more effective.

 

[Larrys13]

Another one that got away

They have a lot of 3rd line type centers - Karlsson, Dadinov ,Patrick,Roy ( who could always be our backup goalie ).

 

[liv4socr20]

I think Fil benching was a wake up call to Laf. He seemed to be moving his feet more in ARI game.

Mika trending correctly last few games as well.

Let them ascend together.

Laf Zib Chytil
Pan Strome Kakko
Kreider Goodrow Gaut
Reaves Rooney Hunt

 

[NYR Viper]

Repeat after me....this is not our year to go all in for a cup, rentals need not apply.

I agree mainly with this. I’ll say that if this team is in the top-3 in their division by the deadline, I’d seriously consider adding a couple of able bodied depth guys for little cost. Scour the league for lower cost depth guys. If nothing else it solidifies the belief shown to the team by management.

I’ve mentioned guys like Holden and Roussel but there are quite a few others

 

[LokiDog]

I just don’t see Chytil becoming a 2C in this organization and I don’t see him as an appropriate 3C on a line that has a purpose and identity. He very well may have success on the wing instead, but I don’t see room for him to do that here - if the organization felt there was they could have already experimented with him more in that role. Goodrow is a capable 3C. I think you have to decide who, out of Jones, Robertson, Miller, Lindgren on the left and Schneider, Lundkvist on the right, along with what to do with Kravtsov, and make a package including some combination of them along with Chytil for either the top six RW you’re seeking or a middle six C that fits.

 

[Crease]

I put up with Chytil’s growing pains for five years because of The Letter, I would be so annoyed if he has his best years somewhere else.

 

[mas0764]

I won't argue the rest, but Robertson is 8 years younger than Kreider and has 21 points in 20 games this year. He had 45 points in 51 games last year. He's absolutely a top 6 winger.

Shhh, don’t ruin his narrative.

 

[huerter]

I put up with Chytil’s growing pains for five years because of The Letter, I would be so annoyed if he has his best years somewhere else.

Because of the letter? The letter was just a PR stunt but ignoring that, what does that have to do with Chytil's progression?

 

[Filip Chytil]

Repeat after me....this is not our year to go all in for a cup, rentals need not apply.

 

[Alluckks]

Who ever said anything about going all in this year?

We aren't gonna be trading away a top prospect and a first for a year and a half of a player like with did with Yandle or something

But, at the rate the team is going, some rentals will certainly be added and rightfully so