Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVII

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You keep ignoring that all VK has to do in order to start playing and start earning his way to ny is get on a plane and show up in Hartford but he's making the decision to sit in Russia. He. Him. Kravtsov.

Enough of the excuses...

Speculation: - Roster Building Thread - Part XXVII <--- "That doesn't excuse Kravtsov from misbehaving."

Speculation: - Roster Building Thread - Part XXVII <-- "No doubt. I'm not saying Kravtsov isn't to blame."

Speculation: - Roster Building Thread - Part XXVII <-- "Kravtsov is being dumb and isn't gaining anything."

I don't "keep" ignoring anything. Perhaps you "keep" ignoring what I'm saying or are choosing to be disingenuous.

Kravtsov is to blame for this. He can end it all by not misbehaving anymore.

What your little homer sensitivities seem not to be able to comprehend is that the Rangers are also at fault. They have an obligation to you, a paying customer, to not squander their assets and be able to manage their team without losing assets again and again for nothing. If that requires softening their tough guy position now and then, they should f***ing do it. Standing on their soapbox being self righteous while getting nothing for like, PPG Tony DeAngelo and highly talented Kravtsov is a failure. There is no other way to frame it.

Stop excusing the team's mismanagement because you have Rangers posters on your wall.
 
Maybe.

Have you considered maybe he doesn't need tough love, and he needs to be soothed a little before he could really develop?

After going 0-for-2 with Andersson and DeAngelo, have you considered that the Rangers have a f***ing problem and they needed to try something different besides drawing lines in the sand on this one?

If this was the first time the Rangers ran off talent I'd be less upset. It's not, it's the third time they've proven incapable of handling a big ego on a talented (or highly drafted) player.

Lias was a bad draft pick.
Krav was a bad draft pick.
ADA was handled cartoonishly poorly.

This was all done by the previous regime. The current regime seems to have built a good, complete team...and didn't allow the bad draft pick that's still here to ruin that team.

I'm very much enjoying watching this current team. So far it's 5-2-1. The end.
 
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Speculation: - Roster Building Thread - Part XXVII <--- "That doesn't excuse Kravtsov from misbehaving."

Speculation: - Roster Building Thread - Part XXVII <-- "No doubt. I'm not saying Kravtsov isn't to blame."

Speculation: - Roster Building Thread - Part XXVII <-- "Kravtsov is being dumb and isn't gaining anything."

I don't "keep" ignoring anything. Perhaps you "keep" ignoring what I'm saying or are choosing to be disingenuous.

Kravtsov is to blame for this. He can end it all by not misbehaving anymore.

What your little homer sensitivities seem not to be able to comprehend is that the Rangers are also at fault. They have an obligation to you, a paying customer, to not squander their assets and be able to manage their team without losing assets again and again for nothing. If that requires softening their tough guy position now and then, they should f***ing do it. Standing on their soapbox being self righteous while getting nothing for like, PPG Tony DeAngelo and highly talented Kravtsov is a failure. There is no other way to frame it.

Stop excusing the team's mismanagement because you have Rangers posters on your wall.
Their obligation to me is being met by holding the integrity of the locker room and the org above someone having a tantrum. You don't need old players to install a country club/player run disfunctioning team.

You don't let the inmates run the asylum...

And if any team offered anything worthwhile for Ada they would've accepted it. You're acting like they had a way to make a team order them value for Ada and they didn't.

And I am generally the first one here to shit on mistakes NYR makes, so stop acting like it's a homer position to expect professional athletes to not act like children...
 
Lias was a bad draft pick.
Krav was a bad draft pick.
ADA was handled cartoonishly poorly.

Krav has also been handled exceedingly poorly.

Lias wasn't a great pick but also was handled poorly. He might have been more than he is, or still might have ended up a third line center. I don't think we gave him the support he needed.

He may never have become anything but we gave Howden way more leash. And he also turned into nothing.

This was all done by the previous regime. The current regime seems to have built a good, complete team...and didn't allow the bad draft pick that's still here to ruin that team.

The current GM absolutely has a hand in the Lias and Krav messes. Especially the Krav mess.

I'm very much enjoying watching this current team. So far it's 5-2-1. The end.

I'm enjoying watching them too.

But this is the roster building thread so talking about the team winning right now is not the end. It's a discussion about adding players and managing your roster to try to win a Cup or Cups.

I don't think this team has enough forward talent to be a long term Cup contender, which is why the Kravtsov discussion remains so relevant, especially when they failed to develop Lias into anything and failed to capitalize on DeAngelo despite people saying the offseason BEFORE his meltdown that as he was pacing for 60 points and we had Fox in the fold that he should have been parlayed into a forward. But they didn't. They mismanaged the asset.

They've done it again with Kravtsov.

I frankly don't think they have enough ammo to win in the playoffs, at least not once Zib and Panarin are no longer elite players.
 
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Their obligation to me is being met by holding the integrity of the locker room and the org above someone having a tantrum.

That's odd, I would have thought most fans valued winning, which is now harder for the Rangers to do.

But keeping Kravtsov on the roster doesn't ruin the integrity of the locker room.
 
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That's odd, I would have thought most fans valued winning, which is now harder for the Rangers to do.

But keeping Kravtsov on the roster doesn't ruin the integrity of the locker room.
It does, for reason that have been brought up repeatedly for weeks.

As for winning being valued, the team is 5-2-1, they have 11 out of 16 points and a .688 point percentage. They are doing just fine and one could argue that the player that has taken VK's would be spot has actually been more impactful in contributing to those wins than some of us hoped VK would be at this point.

If the team was under .500 you would have a point about winning, but they ARE winning...
 
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It does, for reason that have been brought up repeatedly for weeks.

It doesn't, for the reasons that have been brought up repeatedly for weeks.

In fact, the evidence says, taking the hard line approach (letting Lias walk off, banishing DeAngelo) does absolutely nothing to keep other players in line, because, well, look at Kravtsov.

The approach you are advocating for has been proven to be meaningless. It's a talking point. An empty platitude.

As for winning being valued, the team is 5-2-1, they have 11 out of 16 points and a .688 point percentage. They are doing just fine and one could argue that the player that has taken VK's would be spot has actually been more impactful in contributing to those wins than some of us hoped VK would be at this point.

Hunt, Reaves and McKegg have not been more impactful than VK would have been.

Blais, sure, but Blais was never in danger of not making the team.

Also... this is about winning for the future. Kravtsov's major value to this team was not this year. It was as a long term top 6 piece, which was much needed, and which they now desperately lack.
 
Hunt, Reaves, and McKegg are all 4th line players. McKegg is an AHL/NHL tweener. What are we talking about here?? You mean you expected Kravtsov to play on the 4th line? Really? Stop it. Some of you are getting out of hand with the endless defense of Kravtsov. Out of control. He had to make the team in the Top 9, more over the Top 6. He didn’t and he only has himself to blame for not taking the Hartford assignment, getting his conditioning up, and being the first call up for the inevitable injuries, which have already happened. Stop blaming everyone else.
 
Hunt, Reaves, and McKegg are all 4th line players. McKegg is an AHL/NHL tweener. What are we talking about here?? You mean you expected Kravtsov to play on the 4th line? Really? Stop it.

Did I expect it heading into the season? No. I would have expected Kravtsov to win a top 9 spot. Frankly I would have expected Kreider to stay on the third line with Chytil and Blais and get PP time, leaving a top 6 spot open for Kravtsov. And that might have been what happened if he had just taken his assignment. So when you say people are "blaming everyone else," that's not true. Everyone realizes Kravstov gets blame.

I think what some people need to do is stop ignoring the organization's blame.

Because once you realize you have a ticking time bomb on your hands, you eschew normal roster construction and let Kravtsov play on the bottom line. Or scratch him till he gets his conditioning up. Or let him play on the third line and let Blais play on the fourth line. Figure something out.

Some of you are getting out of hand with the endless defense of Kravtsov. Out of control. He had to make the team in the Top 9, more over the Top 6. He didn’t and he only has himself to blame for not taking the Hartford assignment, getting his conditioning up, and being the first call up for the inevitable injuries, which have already happened. Stop blaming everyone else.

The Rangers had options besides sticking to this list of 'musts.' Choosing not to exercise any of them at the loss of their prospect is a complete failure on their part. Some of you are getting out of hand with the endless defense of the team. Out of control.
 
It doesn't, for the reasons that have been brought up repeatedly for weeks.

In fact, the evidence says, taking the hard line approach (letting Lias walk off, banishing DeAngelo) does absolutely nothing to keep other players in line, because, well, look at Kravtsov.

The approach you are advocating for has been proven to be meaningless. It's a talking point. An empty platitude.



Hunt, Reaves and McKegg have not been more impactful than VK would have been.

Blais, sure, but Blais was never in danger of not making the team.

Also... this is about winning for the future. Kravtsov's major value to this team was not this year. It was as a long term top 6 piece, which was much needed, and which they now desperately lack.


Again, using Ada and lias to justify any actions by VK is just idiotic. Bring their three names up together actually paints them all w the same brush.

Hunt reaves and mckegg have NOTHING to do w VK. Nothing.

Blais is the guy that benefitted from kravtsov not making the team. Reaves is playing no matter what, hunt is an extra, and mckegg was in the AHL. Blais is in the top 9 bc VK didn't make the team. Anything beyond that with hunt and mckegg is related to injuries, and if VK had just gone to Hartford he probably is back in NY w the injuries so you're helping my point.

Also as far as winning in the future it's been stated for over a year that NYR needs to diversity it's top 9 or even top 6, how would VK taking one of the top 6 spots do 5hat with Panarin, laf, kakkoas 3 of the 4 wingers? How does VK diversity that group and help this team win long term?
 
Their obligation to me is being met by holding the integrity of the locker room and the org above someone having a tantrum. You don't need old players to install a country club/player run disfunctioning team.

You don't let the inmates run the asylum...

And if any team offered anything worthwhile for Ada they would've accepted it. You're acting like they had a way to make a team order them value for Ada and they didn't.

And I am generally the first one here to shit on mistakes NYR makes, so stop acting like it's a homer position to expect professional athletes to not act like children...
While I don’t disagree with any of this in principle, it is incumbent upon the organization to prevent situations like this from happening. The issue isn’t with how they are dealing with Kravtsov’s tantrum, it’s that they created the environment in which that tantrum could occur, ignored signs of its occurrence before it happened, and failed to manage it prior to it going public.

There are ways to deal with internal personnel issues that keep everyone happy while achieving organizational goals. The Rangers are hurting themselves by both not being more proactive in the face of these problems and by allowing them to spiral out of control publicly before they handle them.
 
Again, using Ada and lias to justify any actions by VK is just idiotic. Bring their three names up together actually paints them all w the same brush.

It is definitive proof that the Rangers have not managed the personalities they've acquired very well at all.

Hunt reaves and mckegg have NOTHING to do w VK. Nothing.

Not remotely true.

Blais is the guy that benefitted from kravtsov not making the team. Reaves is playing no matter what, hunt is an extra, and mckegg was in the AHL.

Hunt plays every night right now as does Reaves. I have no idea what you are talking about.

and if VK had just gone to Hartford he probably is back in NY w the injuries so you're helping my point.

I agree he's probably back if he would have conducted himself properly. Once again you are glossing over where I have repeated that Kravtsov is to blame here. Do you maybe not understand the concept that more than one party can be to blame in a disagreement?

Also as far as winning in the future it's been stated for over a year that NYR needs to diversity it's top 9 or even top 6

Whoever is stating that doesn't have the whole picture correct.

Yeah, diversity is needed. That's what Blais and Goodrow are for.

The Rangers are also short an elite talent or two. They do not have enough compared to even the average Cup winner, let alone multiple time Cup winning teams, which is what we had the opportunity to aspire to, and should be aspiring to. If we are measuring right now, we have just two - Zibanejad and Panarin, with KK and AL nowhere near elite. If we are waiting till the latter two are elite, it's likely Zibanejad and Panarin no longer are. Even so, most winners have more than just 4 first line caliber players.

We ended our rebuild too early. And now we are really behind the 8 ball if we don't replace Kravtsov with another 60-70 point forward talent.
 
While I don’t disagree with any of this in principle, it is incumbent upon the organization to prevent situations like this from happening. The issue isn’t with how they are dealing with Kravtsov’s tantrum, it’s that they created the environment in which that tantrum could occur, ignored signs of its occurrence before it happened, and failed to manage it prior to it going public.

There are ways to deal with internal personnel issues that keep everyone happy while achieving organizational goals. The Rangers are hurting themselves by both not being more proactive in the face of these problems and by allowing them to spiral out of control publicly before they handle them.
So what was the solution at the end of training camp other than putting them on the roster when they didn't feel like he deserved to be? How are they supposed to keep it quiet, make up an injury and put him on IR? I mean the amount of excuses here for the guy are just ridiculous. All he had to do is go to Hartford and realistically if he put the work in he would already be back in the NHL, and if he was good enough he'd still be here. I'm so sick of the culture of excuses
 
Did I expect it heading into the season? No. I would have expected Kravtsov to win a top 9 spot. Frankly I would have expected Kreider to stay on the third line with Chytil and Blais and get PP time, leaving a top 6 spot open for Kravtsov. And that might have been what happened if he had just taken his assignment. So when you say people are "blaming everyone else," that's not true. Everyone realizes Kravstov gets blame.

I think what some people need to do is stop ignoring the organization's blame.

Because once you realize you have a ticking time bomb on your hands, you eschew normal roster construction and let Kravtsov play on the bottom line. Or scratch him till he gets his conditioning up. Or let him play on the third line and let Blais play on the fourth line. Figure something out.



The Rangers had options besides sticking to this list of 'musts.' Choosing not to exercise any of them at the loss of their prospect is a complete failure on their part. Some of you are getting out of hand with the endless defense of the team. Out of control.
I am sorry, through all your rambling all I heard was excuses and pretty much a desire to sacrifice the health and success of the TEAM for one player. One unproven kid.

Kreider should have just been moved to the 3rd line for an unproven kid when he has been a top 6 player his whole career? Am I reading that right? Kravtsov should have been handed his spot because he is a “ticking time bomb” aka an immature child?

Sammy Blais should have been put on the 4th line even though he outperformed Kravtsov and Blais has been a key reason as to why we are 5-2-1 right now?

Guy, you are going off the deep end at this point. Straight up asinine positions to take for the purpose of defending a KID. A spoiled, whiny kid.

But I’ll give you one small amount of agreement, the organization does deserve some blame. Yes, the Scouts and Gorton for not doing their homework enough that they used two Top 10 picks on spoiled, immature kids. And also probably not setting realistic expectations for them, not that these kids couldn’t be normal human beings and understand things change, plans change, and you have to continue to work to adapt to those changes. Blame goes both ways. But I refuse to blame Drury for not coddling and catering to Kravtsov. We dont have a need for players who need to be pacified on their way to the NHL. I dont blame Gallant for looking at the TC and Preseason and selecting who he did to make this team.
 
So what was the solution at the end of training camp other than putting them on the roster when they didn't feel like he deserved to be?

Keeping him on the roster scratched. Keeping him on the roster playing on the fourth line instead of Hunt or Reaves. Keeping him on the roster playing on the third line instead of Blais. Keeping him on the roster playing on the second line instead of Kreider.

In ascending likelihood.

I think all four of those solutions are workable. Kreider could have played on the third line with Blais and Chytil, Goodrow on the fourth line. Or Blais could have been on the fourth line, with a third line of Kravtsov-Chytil-Goodrow, etc. It's not some huge blow to Goodrow's ego to play him elsewhere in the bottom 6 and give him loads of penalty kill time. I'm not worried about Blais having to find minutes elsewhere while Kravtsov gets up to speed because that was the plan all along anyway!

All he had to do is go to Hartford and realistically if he put the work in he would already be back in the NHL

You keep saying this as if someone disagrees with you. No one disagrees with you on this point. Repeating it is not advancing your argument literally at all.

The team STILL should have found a different solution and failed by not doing so.

I'm so sick of the culture of excuses

Me too.
 
It is definitive proof that the Rangers have not managed the personalities they've acquired very well at all.

It's proof that the rangers have drafted poor character.

Not remotely true.

Yes it is, those three players have different roles than VK ever would on this team. Are you suggesting VK should be a 4th liner that kills penalties right now?

Hunt plays every night right now as does Reaves. I have no idea what you are talking about.

Apparently VK would do a great job killing penalties and eating 4th line minutes while severing the team as some muscle to the lineup?

I agree he's probably back if he would have conducted himself properly. Once again you are glossing over where I have repeated that Kravtsov is to blame here. Do you maybe not understand the concept that more than one party can be to blame in a disagreement?

I do, but I don't agree here. NYR has asked him to come back and he won't. That's entirely on him.

Whoever is stating that doesn't have the whole picture correct.

Umm what? Literally this entire board including the most respected posters have been clamoring for diversity in the lineup, including the top 6/9, and edge repeatedly said the org was looking for that.

Yeah, diversity is needed. That's what Blais and Goodrow are for.

Right so if they are in your top 9 than is VK served well as a 4th liner with no pp time? Or is blais going to the 4th line so VK plays top 9 and we defeat the whole point of diversifying the team?

The Rangers are also short an elite talent or two. They do not have enough compared to even the average Cup winner, let alone multiple time Cup winning teams, which is what we had the opportunity to aspire to, and should be aspiring to. If we are measuring right now, we have just two - Zibanejad and Panarin, with KK and AL nowhere near elite. If we are waiting till the latter two are elite, it's likely Zibanejad and Panarin no longer are. Even so, most winners have more than just 4 first line caliber players.

If VK showed elite talent at the NHL level last year or in camp, or even in the AHL he would probably have made the team, but he didn't, so he didn't...

We ended our rebuild too early. And now we are really behind the 8 ball if we don't replace Kravtsov with another 60-70 point forward talent.

They didn't end too early, if they kept going poorly than by the time they turned the corner half this roster would be on 2nd and 3rd contracts and we would be even more capped out without having any rewards. That's why people kept saying we need a steady stream of elc players that could contribute. The truth is that landing two lottery picks that ended up being wingers that came here and could play right away and have nailed down spots on this team for the future has intimidated VK into thinking he has no future here. That's a losers mentality. The kind of players we should want are the ones that say I don't give a damn where you were picked, I'm going to outplay you and push you for that position. Internal competition helps make a team stronger, internal entitlement does not...
 
Keeping him on the roster scratched. Keeping him on the roster playing on the fourth line instead of Hunt or Reaves. Keeping him on the roster playing on the third line instead of Blais. Keeping him on the roster playing on the second line instead of Kreider.

In ascending likelihood.

I think all four of those solutions are workable. Kreider could have played on the third line with Blais and Chytil, Goodrow on the fourth line. Or Blais could have been on the fourth line, with a third line of Kravtsov-Chytil-Goodrow, etc. It's not some huge blow to Goodrow's ego to play him elsewhere in the bottom 6 and give him loads of penalty kill time. I'm not worried about Blais having to find minutes elsewhere while Kravtsov gets up to speed because that was the plan all along anyway!



You keep saying this as if someone disagrees with you. No one disagrees with you on this point. Repeating it is not advancing your argument literally at all.

The team STILL should have found a different solution and failed by not doing so.



Me too.
He isn't a 4th line type player, nor can he pk, nor would he get pp time so it's stupid to say he should have been on the 4th line. It was top 9 or bust.

Blais on the top 9 helps this team more than VK as it is currently constructed.

And yes, you are perpetuating the culture of excuses right now by using lias and Ada to justify his actions and circumstances
 
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I am sorry, through all your rambling all I heard was excuses and pretty much a desire to sacrifice the health and success of the TEAM for one player. One unproven kid.

That's odd, you should consider having your hearing checked, cause no such thing would have occurred. Team would have been fine.

Kreider should have just been moved to the 3rd line for an unproven kid when he has been a top 6 player his whole career? Am I reading that right?

In my visualization of things the top 3 lines would have been more or less interchangeable instead of a 1-through-3 pecking order, so I don't really consider it some sort of demotion to play Kreider there, but yes, I think a line with Kreider-Chytil-Blais/Goodrow made the most sense coming out of training camp, with Kravtsov either on the Panarin line or the Zibanejad line. Kreider still grabs the lion's share of PP time so he is not wasted one bit.

I also think this outcome was essentially on the table had Kravtsov not thrown his temper tantrum, so I don't think it was far fetched. Which goes back to the part where I keep saying, Kravtsov is to blame here.

Kravtsov should have been handed his spot because he is a “ticking time bomb” aka an immature child?

Yes.

You cannot stand on principal and lose the asset. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face. You don't gain anything. People keep whining about how he didn't "earn," it. Again, (a) that's nonsense, he deserves a spot on the active roster more than Hunt, Reaves or McKegg, (b) taking a hardline stance with these players is not setting a precedent and keeping other players from acting up (see Lias and DeAngelo), and (c) giving Kravtsov a break would not have caused a locker room revolt. He either would have eventually earned the spot when he got into shape, injuries would have opened a spot for him organically, or he could have been traded before it became an issue.

Sammy Blais should have been put on the 4th line even though he outperformed Kravtsov and Blais has been a key reason as to why we are 5-2-1 right now?

Heaven forfend career fourth liner Sammy Blais play on, and substantially enhance by the way, an otherwise lackluster fourth line. Having depth is bad apparently. You're gonna need to explain to me why Blais on the fourth line is bad. He's like a perfect elite fourth line player.

Where I am getting lost is why Blais is sacredly entitled to more time just because he had one better camp than an injured Kravtsov. Assuming VK eventually gets into shape, are we not a better and deeper team with Kravtsov doing a decent job on a top 9 spot and Blais dominating on the fourth line? And.... wasn't that the plan anyway??? And if so (which simple math makes indisputable), why is it so offensive to tell Blais you are going to play him where you acquired him to play?

Guy, you are going off the deep end at this point. Straight up asinine positions to take for the purpose of defending a KID. A spoiled, whiny kid.

I think the same of your position.

But I’ll give you one small amount of agreement, the organization does deserve some blame. Yes, the Scouts and Gorton for not doing their homework enough that they used two Top 10 picks on spoiled, immature kids. And also probably not setting realistic expectations for them, not that these kids couldn’t be normal human beings and understand things change, plans change, and you have to continue to work to adapt to those changes. Blame goes both ways. But I refuse to blame Drury for not coddling and catering to Kravtsov. We dont have a need for players who need to be pacified on their way to the NHL. I dont blame Gallant for looking at the TC and Preseason and selecting who he did to make this team.

We have a need for future top 6 skilled players badly. Kravtsov retains the possibility of being one.

There was no harm in massaging this situation. People keep yelping about "not earning it," but there is nothing to indicate any kind of long term locker room damage, and frankly, plenty of evidence to suggest that their drawing lines in the sand with these kids doesn't work. They needed to try something else for once and didn't.

If it didn't work even after trying something else it's way more forgiveable, but once again their lack of flexibility has proven costly to our talent level.

And there's nothing to say that if things aren't working out a month into the season you can't demote him then and let him bail. At least then they can argue they did bend over backwards trying.

They didn't even try. They wanted to be righteous instead of right for the future health of the team. It was stubborn, obstinate, and wrong.
 
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Yes it is, those three players have different roles than VK ever would on this team. Are you suggesting VK should be a 4th liner that kills penalties right now?

We have Blais, Goodrow, Kreider, Kakko, Reaves, McKegg, Hunt, Rooney and Zibanejad, all capable of taking PK time. I think if VK had taken one of their spots we still have enough PKers.
 
He isn't a 4th line type player, nor can he pk, nor would he get pp time so it's stupid to say he should have been on the 4th line. It was top 9 or bust.

I agree it's not optimal.

It's better to sacrifice current optimal roster construction until he gets in shape than lose him.
 
That's odd, you should consider having your hearing checked, cause no such thing would have occurred. Team would have been fine.
Sorry, cannot take you seriously or entertain the rest of your crybaby post when it starts off with you somehow knowing the team would have been “fine” had they just handed over a Top 6 role to Kravtsov. That is quite amazing that you somehow know this so assuredly.


What I do know is the team is 5-2-1 and have yet to really play their best hockey. Maybe, just maybe they are doing something right. You wana die on this hill, going on and on and on and on about a player who is not coming back then so be it. I’ll keep rooting for my team and enjoying the early success they have had.
 
Keeping him on the roster scratched. Keeping him on the roster playing on the fourth line instead of Hunt or Reaves. Keeping him on the roster playing on the third line instead of Blais. Keeping him on the roster playing on the second line instead of Kreider.

In ascending likelihood.

I think all four of those solutions are workable. Kreider could have played on the third line with Blais and Chytil, Goodrow on the fourth line. Or Blais could have been on the fourth line, with a third line of Kravtsov-Chytil-Goodrow, etc. It's not some huge blow to Goodrow's ego to play him elsewhere in the bottom 6 and give him loads of penalty kill time. I'm not worried about Blais having to find minutes elsewhere while Kravtsov gets up to speed because that was the plan all along anyway!



You keep saying this as if someone disagrees with you. No one disagrees with you on this point. Repeating it is not advancing your argument literally at all.

The team STILL should have found a different solution and failed by not doing so.



Me too.

I think even if they left him on the Roster and he was 4th line minutes/and Scratched in rotation with Hunt/Gauthier, I still think he would ask for a trade.
There was too much Bad history leading up to that point
Also, Hunt does a better job on 4th line then Kravy would imo. Hunt knows his role and knows what he’s expected to do. That’s why Gallant put him there.
He needed a 4th line that sets the tone, works along the boards an wears the other team down.
Kravy has more god given talent. Especially in the scoring Dept. but 4th line role with minimal minutes at this stage isn’t good for his development or for the team as a whole. Hunt also has a solid Preseason.
There really wasn’t a lot of good options for Gallant/Drury to make here.
Kreids looks great again, has known chemistry with Zibby and even switched to RW. I doubt they want him getting 3rd line minutes at this point in time.
Blais had a very good camp and again provided more what the team lacked. I knew from the minute we traded for him, he wasn’t going to be just 4th liner .
They def didn’t pay Goodrow that cash to be a 4th liner either.
 
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I agree it's not optimal.

It's better to sacrifice current optimal roster construction until he gets in shape than lose him.
Or he just goes to the f***ing ahl to get into shape instead of sacrificing the "optimal roster" for the NHL team bc he is put first. Holy shit...

I just can't do it anymore.

Goodnight...
 
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I think even if they left him on the Roster and he was 4th line minutes/and Scratched in rotation with Hunt/Gauthier, I still think he would ask for a trade.

Maybe.

Should have tried it and found out. Would be less bitching from the fans.

Also, Hunt does a better job on 4th line then Kravy would imo. Hunt knows his role and knows what he’s expected to do. That’s why Gallant put him there.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying Kravtsov is a good fourth liner. Or that it's a good idea to develop your talent habitually on the fourth line just to keep them from getting upset.

I'm saying when you've already lost a top 10 pick and a 24 year old 60 point defenseman for essentially nothing, you take a minute to take stock of your situation and make an exception for once to keep from bleeding another asset. If that means playing him on the fourth line, what the hell ever.

What it really means is playing Blais on the fourth line, which would actually be a good thing, but he's getting to be cult hero status around here and people don't like to hear the suggestion of him being "demoted," even though he'd be kick ass in that role.
 
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