Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVII

[mas0764]

So who does Kravstov help by stomping his feet? Did he "win"? He's not playing, he's not expediting a trade, he's not developing his game to an actual NHL level. He made the worst possible choice as an individual thinking about themselves and their professional wellbeing. Mostly everyone hates their bosses and some have been verbally reprimanded in less-than-savory ways in front of co-workers. Do you then walk in to work, say you're above the workload you're given, and threaten to leave? Or do you realize that's probably not the smartest thing to do and quietly start looking for other jobs?

Kravtsov is being dumb and not gaining anything. The Rangers are being just as dumb if not dumber by cutting off their nose to spite their face.

This isn’t a regular employer employee situation so what other people would do is not really applicable.

 

[mas0764]

Tell me you didn't play sports without saying you didn't play sports...

Tell Bill Parcells you can’t have different standards for different players.

 

[mas0764]

Theodore and smith?
And then maybe add Patrick and a first.

Our package is/was better.

 

[Do you want ants]

Kravtsov is being dumb and not gaining anything. The Rangers are being just as dumb if not dumber by cutting off their nose to spite their face.

This isn’t a regular employer employee situation so what other people would do is not really applicable.

There is a team dynamic to this. It’s been reported he’s been called out by teammates and coaches for a lack of effort. So what does it say to the rest of the team if he gets a free pass and the ability to dictate whatever he wants?

He certainly hasn’t proved it from a production standpoint. Not in the AHL and certainly not in the NHL. This isn’t Fox or Panarin taking it easy. They’ve proven their worth. He hasn’t accomplished shit.

 

[Fitzy]

I’m just glad it’s almost over. Feels like this has been a two plus year saga. Longer than the Brad Richards circus

 

[haohmaru]

That doesn’t set a precedent unless you allow it to be. When someone else that you don’t need as much pulls a similar stunt you can say no. This mindset is so outdated and stupid.

Sometimes it’s ok to massage the ego of a petulant and selfish player.

Not when it's coming off the heels of nearly the exact same scenario with Lias. Nope, this would set a precedent - for a player that didn't have a role when the season started and has proven absolutely nothing in the NHL or AHL for that matter. We won't agree on this so I'll move on.

 

[haohmaru]

You take a hard enough line and pretty soon you’ll be by yourself on the other side of it.
Personnel management is about managing egos. The GM should have a grip on his own first.

The player with the ego should have a reason to have that ego. Kravtsov doesn't.

 

[Ned Braden]

Tell Bill Parcells you can’t have different standards for different players.

You're right...Bill Parcels would have definitely let a rookie come in and dictate playing time. He was always so kind and understanding of feelings when it came to rookies. Like that time he called Terry Glenn "she" he was just being nice.

Bill Parcels is the last guy you should have brought up here.

You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[mas0764]

There is a team dynamic to this. It’s been reported he’s been called out by teammates and coaches for a lack of effort. So what does it say to the rest of the team if he gets a free pass and the ability to dictate whatever he wants?

He certainly hasn’t proved it from a production standpoint. Not in the AHL and certainly not in the NHL. This isn’t Fox or Panarin taking it easy. They’ve proven their worth. He hasn’t accomplished shit.

It doesn’t tell the team anything. Keep him scratched on the pro team until he gets his conditioning up. Until he can be moved before you’ve signaled to the world that he’s on the outs. Something. Come up with a solution that doesn’t involve him bolting and losing him for nothing.

 

[mas0764]

Not when it's coming off the heels of nearly the exact same scenario with Lias. Nope, this would set a precedent - for a player that didn't have a role when the season started and has proven absolutely nothing in the NHL or AHL for that matter. We won't agree on this so I'll move on.

Did taking a hard line on Lias prevent Kravtsov from acting out? No.

It doesn’t matter for precedent. That’s Stone Age 1980s nonsense that doesn’t always apply in pro sports anymore. Sometimes it’s the right approach, sometimes it’s not. This time it is not.

 

[mas0764]

You're right...Bill Parcels would have definitely let a rookie come in and dictate playing time. He was always so kind and understanding of feelings when it came to rookies. Like that time he called Terry Glenn "she" he was just being nice.

Bill Parcels is the last guy you should have brought up here.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Bill Parcells knew when to be hard on a guy and when to let up on him and give him slack. Terry Glenn responded to tough love and Parcells knew it. He also knew, as an example when he was with Dallas, several players needed a different approach there and he gave it to them.

Sounds like it is actually you who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

 

[Overcast]

Kravtsov is being dumb and not gaining anything. The Rangers are being just as dumb if not dumber by cutting off their nose to spite their face.

This isn’t a regular employer employee situation so what other people would do is not really applicable.

Plenty of other players have gone back and forth between the AHL and NHL and had/have nice NHL careers. Sometimes shit happens that sucks, that's life. It's just a disappointing situation from everyone involved. Whatever the case, if he's really got it he'll get a chance to show it somewhere eventually.

 

[mas0764]

Plenty of other players have gone back and forth between the AHL and NHL and had/have nice NHL careers. Sometimes shit happens that sucks, that's life. It's just a disappointing situation from everyone involved. Whatever the case, if he's really got it he'll get a chance to show it somewhere eventually.

Yes, the Rangers approach may have been the right approach with many other players, but it was not the right approach with Kravtsov. Their hard line approach also backfired with DeAngelo. You think maybe they’d learn something eventually. You’d think maybe the millions they are paying their GM would entitle us to professional level insight instead of being a clown show.

It is a sad situation. Kravtsov is to blame also and he may be destroying his career and that is his fault.

Its also the Rangers fault and since I’m a Rangers fan and not a Kravtsov fan, and since I hold the organization to a standard that requires them to manage their assets in a way that leads to championships and not in a way that lets them fritter away talent without just compensation, I am forced to conclude that the Rangers are failing in their prospect and player development.

There isn’t another rational conclusion here unless you are a team-excusing homer.

 

[Do you want ants]

It doesn’t tell the team anything. Keep him scratched on the pro team until he gets his conditioning up. Until he can be moved before you’ve signaled to the world that he’s on the outs. Something. Come up with a solution that doesn’t involve him bolting and losing him for nothing.

Just like you can assume he won’t bolt if he was a long term healthy scratch, I can assume that he’d still bolt.

Teams keep tabs on other teams’ players and they’d already know about the issues. Similar to why we couldn’t get anything of value for TDA. It’s unfortunate, but you don’t give in to him, especially with as little as he’s proved.

 

[Ned Braden]

Bill Parcells knew when to be hard on a guy and when to let up on him and give him slack. Terry Glenn responded to tough love and Parcells knew it. He also knew, as an example when he was with Dallas, several players needed a different approach there and he gave it to them.

Sounds like it is actually you who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Bill Parcels was one of the toughest coaches from an era where coaches and management were much tougher on players. He wouldn't have even known how to deal with something as ridiculous as the shit Krav pulled here...maybe would have fought Krav? Fought Krav's dad?

That stupidity aside, what you obviously don't understand here is the dynamics of a locker room. Forget about Drury for a second. Every player on the Rangers understood Krav felt he was entitled to a spot in the top six/nine, and was unhappy not being there. I guarantee you this wasn't sitting well. This kid, who has done nothing in the NHL, felt like he could walk onto the big club and just demand be given a spot over Kreider, Zib, Panaran, Strome, Kakko, Goodrow, Blais, Chytil, or Laf...and you think the best thing the org could have done was give it to him?? That the other players on the team would have been good with this because Krav needs to be treated special?

That's ridiculous

Two things would have happened if Drury gave into this guy. First, the entire locker room would have been lost. Second, somebody on the team would have beaten the shit out of Krav. Considering the makeup on this years team, Drury might have actually saved Krav's life on that second point.

 

[CommaSynapse]

Theodore and smith?
And then maybe add Patrick and a first.

I was trying to crunch numbers. That's going to be the tricky part.

Theodore, Smith, Patrick, and a first. And I feel like they might have to add in Krebs. If they also swap a goalie for Brossoit, then they should be able to fit everything in cap-wise.

 

[AirGut]

let's be honest, this team needs THIS level of hype for this season

 

[IDvsEGO]

I was trying to crunch numbers. That's going to be the tricky part.

Theodore, Smith, Patrick, and a first. And I feel like they might have to add in Krebs. If they also swap a goalie for Brossoit, then they should be able to fit everything in cap-wise.

I think if you add Krebs you take out Patrick.

 

[bleedblue94]

Tell Bill Parcells you can’t have different standards for different players.

You think parcells made exceptions for a replacement level player? bc right now that's what kravtsov is at the NHL level...

 

[bleedblue94]

Our package is/was better.

What is "our package" that you know of?

 

[bleedblue94]

I think if you add Krebs you take out Patrick.

I'm not sure Patrick really matters at this point. He's a reclamation project and he hasn't taken any steps here early w Vegas. Same old same old w him

 

[mas0764]

Just like you can assume he won’t bolt if he was a long term healthy scratch, I can assume that he’d still bolt.

Teams keep tabs on other teams’ players and they’d already know about the issues. Similar to why we couldn’t get anything of value for TDA. It’s unfortunate, but you don’t give in to him, especially with as little as he’s proved.

Then you figure out what it takes to keep him until you can move him.

 

[mas0764]

You think parcells made exceptions for a replacement level player? bc right now that's what kravtsov is at the NHL level...

Parcells went out of his way to treat high upside players different all the time. He knew exactly what each player needed to get the most out of them. Some of them it was tough love, some of them it was a little softness.

He wouldn’t give no-talent hacks much leeway, but unproven kids with lots of talent like Kravtsov? He fostered many of them.

 

[Tob]

There's a 1 in 100 chance Drury is picking up the phone in the 11th hour to acquire Eichel right now.

 

[mas0764]

What is "our package" that you know of?

Just speculating.