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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

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No reason to move Strome this year if the team is going for a playoff spot. If Chytil plays all year at 3c that's ok. W eknow who 1c is and next year Chytil moves up or they find a new 2c.
 
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Edge said:
Fans need to start getting used to the concept that Strome very well could be a self-rental this season.
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Nothing wrong with that if the return is not going to be part of a long-term 2c trade.
 
KreiderBomb said:
Strome isn't holding anyone back, if the team feels they can win more games with Chytil at 2c it will happen. Plus i dont think there's anything wrong with being a 3c on a line with Goodrow and Kravtsov and if Chytil proves he's the 2c NY would have no problem with a Goodrow Strome Kravtsov line, just like they have no problem with Chytil there.
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Strome is playing with Panarin and Kakko and Chytil with Goodrom and Blais but yeah similar players there...
 
gravey9 said:
Nothing you are saying is wrong other than the timetable. By season's end will know enough about:

a) Chytil to know if he can play up in the lineup.
b) the construction/depth of our team to know how he fits.

Strome isn't going to block us from knowing that answer if he plays a full 82 with Panarin and Chytil never plays anything but 3rd line.

Beyond that, middle 6 centers don't grow on trees and trading Strome greatly hurts our overall center depth this year. Because it doesn't just put Chytil at 2C with no netting. But it puts Barron at bottom 6 C with no netting.

Lastly, as evidenced by Jones, Schneider, Robertson, Kravtsov and Barron being down in the AHL to start the season, the team has shifted away from treating the NHL jobs as developmental. Players are going to have to prove they can handle the smaller role before they're handed bigger roles. Chytil hasn't had a full season at 3C in his career because his age 20 and age 21 seasons were cut short by Covid and injury. He is only 22 and you can tell he is not yet in his full adult frame. He's getting there though.

So, again, there's no need to move Strome. If we are in the thick of the playoff race, I'm okay with him being a self-rental. If we are out of the race then that's a diff story.
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Rangers are never going to know what Chytil is until he's put in the best position to succeed. That isn't going to be playing with the guys they got him with. Why delay the inevitable? If a guy isn't in your long term plans (Strome) then he shouldn't be getting the choice assignment over the guy who they WANT to be the guy there. At least if you play him there and Strome down and Chytil doesn't perform, you know what you have. The Rangers have a better chance of drafting Shane Wright than they do winning the cup so why not set your team up the way you want it when you are going to be competing. Would you rather know Chtyil is or isn't the guy now or next year when Strome isn't around?
 
TheBloodyNine said:
Rangers are never going to know what Chytil is until he's put in the best position to succeed. That isn't going to be playing with the guys they got him with. Why delay the inevitable? If a guy isn't in your long term plans (Strome) then he shouldn't be getting the choice assignment over the guy who they WANT to be the guy there. At least if you play him there and Strome down and Chytil doesn't perform, you know what you have. The Rangers have a better chance of drafting Shane Wright than they do winning the cup so why not set your team up the way you want it when you are going to be competing. Would you rather know Chtyil is or isn't the guy now or next year when Strome isn't around?
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Strome is in their plans to win games this year. The time is starting now. It can't only be about years from now. Win games this year with Strome, then work on next year at the appropriate time. Chytil will have plenty of chances to show what he can do this year. There will be injuries, there could be changes in the lines, there could be PP time. Game 1 doesn't lock everything in stone.
 
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People act like you can go from a straight run of missing the playoffs to a contender if you time everything right… playoff experience and, yes, playoff failure are important parts of the process in building a championship roster.

It’s exceedingly rare for a team to win the cup the year after missing the playoffs.
 
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TominNC said:
Strome is in their plans to win games this year. The time is starting now. It can't only be about years from now. Win games this year with Strome, then work on next year at the appropriate time. Chytil will have plenty of chances to show what he can do this year. There will be injuries, there could be changes in the lines, there could be PP time. Game 1 doesn't lock everything in stone.
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Ok what about next year? The team disbanding after this season?

Strome is not the long term plans of this team. Allegedly Chytil is. Which player is more important to the future of this franchise?
 
Fitzy said:
People act like you can go from a straight run of missing the playoffs to a contender if you time everything right… playoff experience and, yes, playoff failure are important parts of the process in building a championship roster.

It’s exceedingly rare for a team to win the cup the year after missing the playoffs.
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Yeah this team needs to prove it is good enough to knock out an existing team and just make the playoffs. We aren't even contending for 1st place in the Metro let alone the cup. Team has a long way to go.
 
In a perfect world I’d like to see Chytil supplant Strome and they move him for something but I know the chances are slim

They’ve been trying to trade this guy for like 2 years unsuccessfully, I’ve come to grips that he’ll just end up being a self rental and walk in the summer
 
What is tough about strome is that he is too skilled to be a bottom sixer on most teams, and middling or lower tiered teams aren't going to give up much to get him anyway.

Are there any contenders built to absorb a strome, put him on the 3rd line and power play? Not sure, maybe there are. I think any return on him is small. He's just not that in demand.
 
Fitzy said:
People act like you can go from a straight run of missing the playoffs to a contender if you time everything right… playoff experience and, yes, playoff failure are important parts of the process in building a championship roster.

It’s exceedingly rare for a team to win the cup the year after missing the playoffs.
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Eh yes and no.

Pittsburgh went from sucking forever to a first round exit to a cup final loss before winning it all.

Chicago went of a long period of suck to a conference final loss to winning it all.

I don’t think LA made it out of the 1st round before winning their cup.

I get that Pittsburgh and Chicago went on pretty deep runs before getting over the hump but those teams were both pretty inexperienced before going on said runs. I don’t think that the playoff experience really helped those groups, it was more of a young team getting better and becoming really good.

no one should expect a cup run this year or even a deep run. I do think having playoff experience is a bit overrated. Like momentum swings are 100000% a thing in a playoff series, but sometimes being young and and ignorant to the gravity of the situation can be a good thing too.
 
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TheBloodyNine said:
Ok what about next year? The team disbanding after this season?

Strome is not the long term plans of this team. Allegedly Chytil is. Which player is more important to the future of this franchise?
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This year happens before next year. You can't keep overlooking the present for the future. Next year, likely Strome is gone. Then they decide of Chytil is #2 or of they need to bring in someone else. With the current roster the best chance to win this season is with Strome alongside Panarin.
If the opportunity arises to add talent then they'll decide who to move.
 
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I'm 100% okay with self-renting Strome if there are no good offers for him (say at least a 1st).

Just give me the maximal chance at doing some damage in the playoffs and showing the kids what it's going to take to win on that stage.
 
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TominNC said:
Perfectly fine with me. Aren't we trying to win games this year too?
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This isn't hockey's present. I demand a 3rd round pick and a slow overage defenseman from the Dub who put up 76 points because he played against a lot of literal children.
 
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I bet they resign Strome or at least try to resign him. If Strome knows he will produce here, maybe he will take a little discount. He brings some grit to the top 6, with an edge to his game. Seems like a good team guy. Seems comfortable here.
 
Krav news is incredibly disappointing. I really hope it’s just a paper move. He has too much talent to not be playing in the big leagues
 
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DialUp said:
What is tough about strome is that he is too skilled to be a bottom sixer on most teams, and middling or lower tiered teams aren't going to give up much to get him anyway.

Are there any contenders built to absorb a strome, put him on the 3rd line and power play? Not sure, maybe there are. I think any return on him is small. He's just not that in demand.
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I think Pittsburgh would be an interesting Strome destination if they need to buy time for Malkin and Crosby to get healthy.

They don't need to be contenders... Just believe that they are contenders.
 
MysticLeviathan said:
Krav news is incredibly disappointing. I really hope it’s just a paper move. He has too much talent to not be playing in the big leagues
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Its probably a paper move but he also has not produced so far in the NHL, AHL, and wasn’t very impressive in the preseason so I don’t think it would be a bad thing for him to play first line minutes in the AHL for a brief period of time to see how he does
 
SA16 said:
Its probably a paper move but he also has not produced so far in the NHL, AHL, and wasn’t very impressive in the preseason so I don’t think it would be a bad thing for him to play first line minutes in the AHL for a brief period of time to see how he does
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He was voted best player in the 1st game, got injured after like 5 mins of play in the 2nd, and scored a goal in the 3rd. Also in the NHL he was stapled to Howden & Rooney yet still looked more dangerous with the puck than anyone on our team sans Panarin. He was also forechecking & back checking as good as anybody; people were very impressed with how he looked.
 
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TominNC said:
This year happens before next year. You can't keep overlooking the present for the future. Next year, likely Strome is gone. Then they decide of Chytil is #2 or of they need to bring in someone else. With the current roster the best chance to win this season is with Strome alongside Panarin.
If the opportunity arises to add talent then they'll decide who to move.
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Like I've said earlier, the Rangers have a better shot at winning the Shane Wright lottery than the cup and Strome ain't the difference between the two. If Chytil is the future, why are we delaying the inevitable? If Strome gives the Rangers a better chance to win in that spot than Chytil, doesn't that answer the question already? And since Strome isn't going to be around next season, why are we waiting around to then scramble to find someone? The Rangers could be staring at having no legitimate 2C next season. That's a legit possibility. What do you do then? You could have known about that ahead of time but instead you gave the prime assignment next to one of the best players in the league to a guy who isn't in the long term plans of this team. Chytil's assignment is going to be playing with two energy/grinder types and maybe on PP2. How is he even going to get an opportunity to show what he has?
 
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