Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

[bl02]

The Rangers can make the playoffs without Ryan Strome. If the Rangers can't then they can find out a bit more about their weaknesses and what to address. Right now they are just kicking the can down the road.

If they stay 100 percent healthy they porbably can...If they don't probably not in this beast of a conference.

 

[rangers1314]

If Chytil plays well, and Barron picks up where he left off last season in HFD, Strome is a goner at the TDL. As he should be.

Turning him into futures, and hitting on them, is how you sustain success.

 

[Fitzy]

The argument that every team should jettison their veterans with one year left that they don’t plan to re-sign is pure rebuild moneyball logic.

That’s not what teams looking to make the playoffs do.

Strome is an important part of this team. You hope people can replace what he does but there’s no reason to rush the progress on that when we have a perfectly good 2C for this season

 

[Atax]

So then they should sign him right? What's the hold up? Lock him in.

I mean, we dont need to trade every player becoming a UFA. We aren't rebuilding anymore. We have a solid C core, but we dont have a lot of depth. Barron and Goodrow. Thats it. Who would be called up if there was an injury? Richards or Henriksson? We'd have to make a trade and it would cost us what we gained by trading Strome.

There's no rush to resign him. If Chytil has a terrible year and doesnt look like the guy, then they can look at Strome.
Enjoy the depth that we finally have.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The argument that every team should jettison their veterans with one year left that they don’t plan to re-sign is pure rebuild moneyball logic.

That’s not what teams looking to make the playoffs do.

Strome is an important part of this team. You hope people can replace what he does but there’s no reason to rush the progress on that when we have a perfectly good 2C for this season

That's not the argument I'm making. The argument is you are giving an absolutely prime position on this team to a player that won't be here once the team is legitimately contending for a championship. If the Rangers lose Strome and then next year realize Chytil isn't they guy either this team if f***ED with a capital F.

Again, the Rangers can make the playoffs without Ryan Strome, he's not Zib. If we're not winning the whole thing this year, it makes more sense to go with the guy you see as your long term solution and find out if he is rather than sticking your head in the sand for a year and pretending it isn't a problem.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I mean, we dont need to trade every player becoming a UFA. We aren't rebuilding anymore. We have a solid C core, but we dont have a lot of depth. Barron and Goodrow. Thats it. Who would be called up if there was an injury? Richards or Henriksson? We'd have to make a trade and it would cost us what we gained by trading Strome.

There's no rush to resign him. If Chytil has a terrible year and doesnt look like the guy, then they can look at Strome.
Enjoy the depth that we finally have.

Ok, so is Strome this team's 2C when they are truly contending? No reason to not sign him. Give him the confidence that he will be in the same place for years.

What's the hold up in singing him long term. If the rebuild is over, and he's the 2C, it would make sense to have your 2c signed longer than the current season.

 

[Atax]

Nothing is set in stone with Strome. Maybe he ends up walking at the end of the season. (Self-rental) That's okay. It gives the team depth to compete this year. It gives them a safety net in a position that is tough to fill. I'm not saying that they're cup contenders, but the team is better, this season, with Strome.

 

[gravey9]

Ok, so is Strome this team's 2C when they are truly contending? No reason to not sign him. Give him the confidence that he will be in the same place for years.

What's the hold up in singing him long term. If the rebuild is over, and he's the 2C, it would make sense to have your 2c signed longer than the current season.

I don't understand the rush to figure out what to do with Ryan Strome. Do we need to give Chytil legit chance to grab the 2C reigns this year? Yup. Does that mean you jettison Strome to do it? No. We need all 3 of Strome, Chytil, Zib this year. But we also need Chytil to take the next step so come next offseason when we will have very limited salary cap room after Fox, Kakko, Blais etc. Hopefully, we are looking to add a cheaper bottom 6 center, not a top 6 center. But we don't get rid of Strome now to evaluate Chytil's progression during this season. We are playing a full 82. Plus hopefully at least one round of the playoffs. There will be ample opportunity even with Strome here to see where Chytil's game is at. As witnessed with Zibby's injury riddled season last year, Chytil's wrist injury last season and Ryan Strome getting banged up in preseason, we will need lots of C depth. I could see us even adding another C rental at the deadline if we're in the playoff picture.

If Chytil doesn't look close to ready for 2C by the end of this year, then how the team handles the middle 6 Centers next year will be tough. But there is literally no pressing reason to move Strome if he's not the 2C of the future. And there's no pressing reason to resign him right now either as Chytil should be a cheaper option and hopefully a better option at 2C next year. There's no rush. Patience with Chytil is crucial for this team to keep its young core in tact. Signing Strome to a 3-4 year deal at 6m will force not just Chytil to go away but likely some other good young asset.

The answer here is to kick the can down the road as long as possible to give the 22 year old Chytil the chance to become a cheaper, more well rounded 2C.

 

[NYR]

The argument that every team should jettison their veterans with one year left that they don’t plan to re-sign is pure rebuild moneyball logic.

That’s not what teams looking to make the playoffs do.

Strome is an important part of this team. You hope people can replace what he does but there’s no reason to rush the progress on that when we have a perfectly good 2C for this season

Werd

 

[Tob]

We need stability and success to turn dough into bread far more than a 1st or a 2nd + prospect. No brainer to keep Strome unless we're out of it by the deadline. Just not the right message to send unless we are in the basement of the division.

 

[Atax]

I don't understand the rush to figure out what to do with Ryan Strome. Do we need to give Chytil legit chance to grab the 2C reigns this year? Yup. Does that mean you jettison Strome to do it? No. We need all 3 of Strome, Chytil, Zib this year. But we also need Chytil to take the next step so come next offseason when we will have very limited salary cap room after Fox, Kakko, Blais etc. Hopefully, we are looking to add a cheaper bottom 6 center, not a top 6 center. But we don't get rid of Strome now to evaluate Chytil's progression during this season. We are playing a full 82. Plus hopefully at least one round of the playoffs. There will be ample opportunity even with Strome here to see where Chytil's game is at. As witnessed with Zibby's injury riddled season last year, Chytil's wrist injury last season and Ryan Strome getting banged up in preseason, we will need lots of C depth. I could see us even adding another C rental at the deadline if we're in the playoff picture.

If Chytil doesn't look close to ready for 2C by the end of this year, then how the team handles the middle 6 Centers next year will be tough. But there is literally no pressing reason to move Strome if he's not the 2C of the future. And there's no pressing reason to resign him right now either as Chytil should be a cheaper option and hopefully a better option at 2C next year. There's no rush. Patience with Chytil is crucial for this team to keep its young core in tact. Signing Strome to a 3-4 year deal at 6m will force not just Chytil to go away but likely some other good young asset.

The answer here is to kick the can down the road as long as possible to give the 22 year old Chytil the chance to become a cheaper, more well rounded 2C.

Thanks for writing out what I was trying to convey.

 

[Lays]

If Chytil plays well, and Barron picks up where he left off last season in HFD, Strome is a goner at the TDL. As he should be.

Turning him into futures, and hitting on them, is how you sustain success.

Strome isn’t getting traded, book it. We’ll let him walk but unless we’re far out of a playoff spot no one is getting moved

 

[bl02]

If Chytil plays well, and Barron picks up where he left off last season in HFD, Strome is a goner at the TDL. As he should be.

Turning him into futures, and hitting on them, is how you sustain success.

so if the Rangers are having a great year and top 1/2 in the division (and Strome is having his typical year with Panarin) you feel the Rangers will trade him?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I don't understand the rush to figure out what to do with Ryan Strome. Do we need to give Chytil legit chance to grab the 2C reigns this year? Yup. Does that mean you jettison Strome to do it? No. We need all 3 of Strome, Chytil, Zib this year. But we also need Chytil to take the next step so come next offseason when we will have very limited salary cap room after Fox, Kakko, Blais etc. Hopefully, we are looking to add a cheaper bottom 6 center, not a top 6 center. But we don't get rid of Strome now to evaluate Chytil's progression during this season. We are playing a full 82. Plus hopefully at least one round of the playoffs. There will be ample opportunity even with Strome here to see where Chytil's game is at. As witnessed with Zibby's injury riddled season last year, Chytil's wrist injury last season and Ryan Strome getting banged up in preseason, we will need lots of C depth. I could see us even adding another C rental at the deadline if we're in the playoff picture.

If Chytil doesn't look close to ready for 2C by the end of this year, then how the team handles the middle 6 Centers next year will be tough. But there is literally no pressing reason to move Strome if he's not the 2C of the future. And there's no pressing reason to resign him right now either as Chytil should be a cheaper option and hopefully a better option at 2C next year. There's no rush. Patience with Chytil is crucial for this team to keep its young core in tact. Signing Strome to a 3-4 year deal at 6m will force not just Chytil to go away but likely some other good young asset.

The answer here is to kick the can down the road as long as possible to give the 22 year old Chytil the chance to become a cheaper, more well rounded 2C.

Because Strome won't be here next season and Chtyil (presumably) will. You will never know if Chytil can be the 2C unless he actually has the opportunity to be it and he will never get that chance with Strome here. This is Chytil's 4th season. If we wait until his 5th and then all of the sudden we find out he's NOT the guy, then the Rangers will have to scramble to fix that hole. The time to find out about Chytil is now.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I don't get the feeling that NY is in a hurry to get rid of strome. I mean if you can get him and Mika signed for under 13 mill thats a steal for two guys who produce at that level.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Because Strome won't be here next season and Chtyil (presumably) will. You will never know if Chytil can be the 2C unless he actually has the opportunity to be it and he will never get that chance with Strome here. This is Chytil's 4th season. If we wait until his 5th and then all of the sudden we find out he's NOT the guy, then the Rangers will have to scramble to fix that hole. The time to find out about Chytil is now.

Strome isn't holding anyone back, if the team feels they can win more games with Chytil at 2c it will happen. Plus i dont think there's anything wrong with being a 3c on a line with Goodrow and Kravtsov and if Chytil proves he's the 2c NY would have no problem with a Goodrow Strome Kravtsov line, just like they have no problem with Chytil there.

 

[bbny]

There's no need to trade Strome for a worthless (to us) 2nd round pick, but there is a need to make sure Chytil gets appropriate minutes this season for his development. The Quinn method of 13 minutes with no PP time isn't going to cut it. He needs to be up around 16 minutes with some legitimate PP time.

 

[duhmetreE]

What can they get? Will they get an asset that will actually be here past next season? Strome isnt gonna be on this team past this season. But that's not really my point here. My point is that Chytil appears to be their long term solution at 2C but we'll never know if he's the guy there until he actually plays there. The Rangers can't get a 2nd for Strome? There was interest in him over the summer. The return isn't even what really matters here. What's the long term outlook at 2C. Will the Rangers be re-signing him? Why wait, sign him.

Not enough. It will take a perfect storm of circumstance to trade him.

 

[gravey9]

Because Strome won't be here next season and Chtyil (presumably) will. You will never know if Chytil can be the 2C unless he actually has the opportunity to be it and he will never get that chance with Strome here. This is Chytil's 4th season. If we wait until his 5th and then all of the sudden we find out he's NOT the guy, then the Rangers will have to scramble to fix that hole. The time to find out about Chytil is now.

Nothing you are saying is wrong other than the timetable. By season's end will know enough about:

a) Chytil to know if he can play up in the lineup.
b) the construction/depth of our team to know how he fits.

Strome isn't going to block us from knowing that answer if he plays a full 82 with Panarin and Chytil never plays anything but 3rd line.

Beyond that, middle 6 centers don't grow on trees and trading Strome greatly hurts our overall center depth this year. Because it doesn't just put Chytil at 2C with no netting. But it puts Barron at bottom 6 C with no netting.

Lastly, as evidenced by Jones, Schneider, Robertson, Kravtsov and Barron being down in the AHL to start the season, the team has shifted away from treating the NHL jobs as developmental. Players are going to have to prove they can handle the smaller role before they're handed bigger roles. Chytil hasn't had a full season at 3C in his career because his age 20 and age 21 seasons were cut short by Covid and injury. He is only 22 and you can tell he is not yet in his full adult frame. He's getting there though.

So, again, there's no need to move Strome. If we are in the thick of the playoff race, I'm okay with him being a self-rental. If we are out of the race then that's a diff story.

 

[Savant]

Strome gets dealt at the deadline. Keep with Panarin so his numbers stay high and deal to highest bidder. Simple and not personal

 

[KevinFinnerty]

Why do people want to move Strome so bad who can put up 60 points on our squad? He will outscore everyone except Panarin and Zibby again most likely

 

[egelband]

I’m a bit embarrassed to say I keep checking back looking for announcement of a Hajek (hopefully packaged with Georgiev) trade.

 

[millencolin487]

I like Strome and think he is a good player but we have tried to trade him like the last two seasons. Trade him finally when his value will most likely be the highest at the trade deadline.

 

[Crease]

The ink on Zibanejad’s contract is not even dry yet and I see we’ve moved onto our next obsession: Strome

 

[pblawr]

I like Strome, but we aren't going to be able resign him and I think he is too valuable to let walk away for nothing, especially when our goal should be to compete for the next 10+ years and we might not even be in our window yet this season.

I'm skeptical on a Hajek trade, at least for anything worthwhile. If there isn't a good offer for him now, I'm not sure why that will change one game into the season.