Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXV - Time to say Goodbye

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[Thirty One]

Did they also think that Kreider is upcoming UFA.

No. They have him listed as one year left.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Tell you what if I was watching Shattenkirk these past few weeks and needed a righty pp dman I would be all over him. 2 year deal? That’s a homerun for a lot of teams. Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s moved.

I doubt he wants to leave tho

 

[Thirty One]

I doubt he wants to leave tho

He has very little say in it.

 

[Ori]

https://www.tsn.ca/panarin-jumps-to-the-top-of-tsn-s-trade-bait-board-1.1249434

Not sure if posted already but TSN's tradecenter posted their top 45 players for the deadline. Rangers have 5 players on the list.

5) Zucarello
15) Hayes
24) Kreider
35) McQuaid
39) Namestnikov

Where is Kevin Shattenkirk on that TSN list? I believe many thinks he is not moveable based on his modified contract?
- He has not a true NMC like Henrik & Marc Staal so it`s completely up to the player to get moved or not.

Kevin value is all time low at the moment, but it`s a big cap hit for sure going into a rebuild so someone to consider at TDL for Jeff G. And it don`t surprise me if he get moved maybe not at TDL, but in the summer window in 2019 and it depends on the market as well on who is available at the time.

 

[kovazub94]

Tell you what if I was watching Shattenkirk these past few weeks and needed a righty pp dman I would be all over him. 2 year deal? That’s a homerun for a lot of teams. Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s moved.

Another one where the Rangers would have to eat some of his salary or get salary going the other way.

 

[DutchShamrock]

@ZuccsFluffierFluffer

Duchene was coming off of a terrible season, wanted out and was rumored to be on his way out forever

You mean the terrible Duchene season that had more points than all but one of Kreider's. 2 years younger and a center but Kreider is the one just hitting his peak and more valuable. I'm sorry, I disagree. That is essentially calling kreider untouchable and I don't think he is in that category.

 

[Fitzy]

There's such a dearth of right handed defensemen that I'm sure NYR could move Shattenkirk for an okay return, especially if they retain half salary.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

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[FireGerardGallant]

He has very little say in it.

He doesnt have a full ntc Edit: Nvm I just looked it up its a 10 team list

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

@ZuccsFluffierFluffer


You mean the terrible Duchene season that had more points than all but one of Kreider's. 2 years younger and a center but Kreider is the one just hitting his peak and more valuable. I'm sorry, I disagree. That is essentially calling kreider untouchable and I don't think he is in that category.

Untrue.

Kreider has out produced Duchene that year pretty much every season since he's been a regular in the lineup and hasn't missed significant time, in the 2 seasons where he did miss time, he would have blown passed those numbers and is well on his way to doing it this season.

I'm not arguing who is the better player, but there were circumstances surrounding Duchene that had an effect on his value - He was a player who not only was on the block for literally years, he also demanded a move out after being tired of all the rumors - That doesn't exist here. Plus what a player is doing now (or has been doing for the better part of 2 seasons now) has more impact on said player's value than what they did back in 2015. If that weren't the case, we'd be looking to extend Zucc.

Look at the return EK got, think that he wouldn't have gotten more if he were in a situation that didn't turn toxic both on and off the ice?

Kreider isn't untouchable, but it's going to take more than a 1st and a prospect to get him out of NY. Thats shit you see for high end rental players, not guys with term left.

 

[duhmetreE]

He doesnt have a full ntc Edit: Nvm I just looked it up its a 10 team list

It's a 10 team NO TRADE list. So, it's a 21 team trade list.

or am I'm interpreting it wrong?

 

[brians1128]

Toronto seems to be willing to give Liljegren, our right handed d prospect depth is rather shallow. They need current help at the NHL level on the right side, I wonder if a deal could be made there

 

[NYR Viper]

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What?

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Toronto seems to be willing to give Liljegren, our right handed d prospect depth is rather shallow. They need current help at the NHL level on the right side, I wonder if a deal could be made there

Doubt they add something that would cost Liljgren now that they got Muzzin. I can see a smaller mover like McQuaid

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

It's a 10 team NO TRADE list. So, it's a 21 team trade list.

or am I'm interpreting it wrong?

You're correct.

 

[brians1128]

Doubt they add something that would cost Liljgren now that they got Muzzin. I can see a smaller mover like McQuaid

yea thats what Im thinking too but, I was reading they want a dollar in dollar out type of situation we have 2 younger guys on expiring elc's. I know its a long shot but just floating the idea out to see what others think

 

[kovazub94]

@ZuccsFluffierFluffer


You mean the terrible Duchene season that had more points than all but one of Kreider's. 2 years younger and a center but Kreider is the one just hitting his peak and more valuable. I'm sorry, I disagree. That is essentially calling kreider untouchable and I don't think he is in that category.

How about the fact that the whole league knew that Colorado had to move Duchene while the Rangers absolutely don't have to move Kreider?

 

[duhmetreE]

If Hayes leaves, I'd be more than happy to offer Duchene a contract. ( dependent on term )

 

[Ori]

How about the fact that the whole league knew that Colorado had to move Duchene while the Rangers absolutely don't have to move Kreider?

Yes a good point - Jeff is not in a hurry with him and he is about to have a record season - so still two years remaining on his old contract.

 

[Profet]

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Did I miss something?

 

[GAGLine]

Where is Kevin Shattenkirk on that TSN list? I believe many thinks he is not moveable based on his modified contract?
- He has not a true NMC like Henrik & Marc Staal so it`s completely up to the player to get moved or not.

Kevin value is all time low at the moment, but it`s a big cap hit for sure going into a rebuild so someone to consider at TDL for Jeff G. And it don`t surprise me if he get moved maybe not at TDL, but in the summer window in 2019 and it depends on the market as well on who is available at the time.

I feel pretty confident in saying that Shattenkirk won't get moved at the deadline, and I doubt he will be moved in the summer either. It's possible, but I think the time to move him will be in the summer of 2020. Maybe at next year's deadline if he can rebuild his value enough.

All of Shatty, Staal and Smith have 2 years remaining on their contracts. All of them have signing bonuses and a lower base salary in the final year. Any or all of them could be potential targets for cap floor teams.

Shattenkirk
Cap Hit: 6.65 mil
2020 Base Salary: 2 mil
Actual Money Savings: 4.65 mil

Staal
Cap Hit: 5.7 mil
2020 Base Salary: 3.2 mil
Actual Money Savings: 2.5 mil

Smith
Cap Hit: 4.35 mil
2020 Base Salary: 2.35 mil
Actual Money Savings: 2 mil

Of the three, Smith will be the hardest to dump because he offers the least savings and he is the worst player, right now. I don't see a reason to buy any of them out. Worst case scenario, they all ride out their contracts and then walk.

If we were to buy out the final year of Smith's contract, his cap hits would be:

2020-21: $2,783,333
2021-22: $783,333

If we send him to Hartford for that final year, his cap hit would be:

2020-21: $3,300,000

It's not really a significant savings. We'd be better off to just bury him than to incur a cap penalty in 2021-22.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Did I miss something?

The title of the thread!

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Whats with the Jesper Fast hate? He is the very definition of a solid, safe player. Coaches love that.

I understand people want to throw a train wreck like Buchnevich out there every night because hes got some flash to his game, but best to understand that there is value in the Fasts of the world, especially in the playoffs.

 

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