Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXII

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Maybe not, but if he becomes one of the top shutdown wingers in the game, I take that every day of the year.

Frankly, the way this team is shaping up, a 25-25 Jere Lethinen type is going to be much more useful to us than a 35-35 offense-only forward. We've got a lot of offensive firepower, and it'll only increase as Lafreniere comes into his own.

Throw in his possession potential and you've got yourself one of those players who prevents goals by doing a tremendous job cycling in the offensive zone.

I don’t think I agree re: we need a 25-25 Jere Lehtinen more than a 35-35 offensive forward.

People keep forgetting that Kreider, Zibanejad and possibly Panarin are not gonna be around, or at least not gonna resemble themselves, when we are trying to win Cups with prime Lafreniere.

We need another All Star Caliber scoring forward besides him. Hell we really need both Laf and Kakko to be great scorers plus we could use two more centers.
 
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I don’t think I agree re: we need a 25-25 Jere Lehtinen more than a 35-35 offensive forward.

People keep forgetting that Kreider, Zibanejad and possibly Panarin are not gonna be around, or at least not gonna resemble themselves, when we are trying to win Cups with prime Lafreniere.

We need another All Star Caliber scoring forward besides him. Hell we really need both Laf and Kakko to be great scorers plus we could use two more centers.

Id like Kakko to be a 100 point guy, but honestly if he gives you 60 points a year and is strong defensively then I won’t complain. I expect him to be very good, but IMO I don’t see greatness. However, I’ve been wrong before.
 
What's up everyone? I took a little hiatus cause I knew things were gonna be popping off and I didn't want to be in refresh mode 24/7. And boy did things pop off. After a 500+ day dry spell we traded for Goodrow, Blais, and Reaves in like a two week window. Then toss in Nemeth. That is just some great work. But we all know what the mission was for this offseason. 3 and 3. So I can't help but feel like we didn't do enough of a transformation. Can we be an awesome, dynamic, championship caliber team in the near future? Absolutely. But did we have an offseason that will set us up to achieve transformative excellence? I'd be lying if I said yes. What say you?

The only other thing we really could have done that would make sense, IMO, was add a good 3C. Danault was too expensive, wasn't really anyone eye popping in FA that would come cheap enough. Well, and we still have Strome one more year so Chytil could stay on the 3rd line if need be. And unless we want to move either Strome or Chytil to the wing, we would probably have to move trade Strome if we did bring in a 3C and move Chytil to 2C. So i'm still ok with it.

Would have rather kept Smith than sign Nemeth, but it's fine. Expecting, or at least hoping that Jones, Robertson, Schneider or Lundqvist can push Nemeth down to a depth role sometime during the season, and if not, it's no biggie. Tinordi is whatever.

Hated the return we got for Buch, think it was a complete rush job, for no apparent reason. Could have held up for 2 more months and seen what comes along. Blais could be ok, but he's definitely not exciting for me at least.

Thought that draft was ok at best. I like Othmann, just not as much as some of the other players that were still on the board, like Lucius.

Grateful we didn't do something silly, like trade the farm for Eichel. I think I am more relieved about that than I am happy about any of our other moves. He would have been a completely unnecessary and extremely risky luxury player for us. And he's just not dependable in regard to his health even prior to this neck thing.

All though do like the Goodrow acquisitions. But after trading Buch for Blais, not sure we also needed Reaves when we still have Gauthier and maybe Barron, and also got McKegg and Hunt . So we definitely added depth. Really, the Reaves signing is fine, but it's the Blais return for Buch that hurts. Buch theoretically should/could have gotten us a good 2c/3c or at least a mid-late 1st round pick.

Think we have close to the best team we realistically should have right now. We can't just jump into Cup contention until our young players develop a little more. So really, this will hopefully be the final "developmental" season, and we could even turn it into a playoff birth. But I think that's the goal right now. Develop Laf, Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil, Lundqvist, Jones, Miller, Robertson, Schneider, some in the AHL and a few in Manhattan.

Doing anything else would have felt forced to me. And we can decide after the season what to do with Strome and Zibby. But I think we are pretty set to go for the start of the season.
 
I don’t think I agree re: we need a 25-25 Jere Lehtinen more than a 35-35 offensive forward.

People keep forgetting that Kreider, Zibanejad and possibly Panarin are not gonna be around, or at least not gonna resemble themselves, when we are trying to win Cups with prime Lafreniere.

We need another All Star Caliber scoring forward besides him. Hell we really need both Laf and Kakko to be great scorers plus we could use two more centers.

Eh, Kreider isn't that old. All though I don't think we should count on him for scoring anyway. We have Panarin until the 25/26 season and we will probably extend Zibby, hopefully only like a 2-3 year deal. So they could still be around when we are ready, at least for a couple of seasons. I don't think we re-sign Panarin in '26 though.

I'm just happy we didn't risk trading some of our best talent for Eichel. Don't think he's the right fit with us and don't trust his health or his drive to win.

Kakko could still turn out to be more than he looks right now, he's still just 20. And then we have Kravtsov who realistically could become a better offensive player than Kakko. Not sure why many don't seem excited by Kravtsov, but maybe it's because we have Laf and Kakko lol. And don't forget Chytil. I don't see why he couldn't be a 60 point player or so as our 2C eventually. Slight chance he's even better than that, but I think 60 points is a fair expectation for now when he's in his prime. And then in 3 years or so Othmann will be here. Who knows what to expect from him. If he becomes the power forward some think he can, even if he tops out at like 60 points, having both him and Kakko could make it impossible for other teams to deal with us.

So really if Laf, Kravtsov, Kakko, Othmann and Chytil reach their ceilings, that's a very good offensive group. Even if Kakko topped out at like 65-70 and Kravtsov at like 70. It mostly depends on Laf becoming a PPG player though, or there about. And Kakko and Kravtsov I still think have PPG ceilings in their prime. Granted, the chances of ALL those 5 reaching their ceilings isn't great. But as long as like 3 do and the other 2 turn out to be solid, I think we will be fine. Oh, and don't forget Barron. I know he's not expected to be a star or anything, but I have a sneaky feeling he could shock us all. He was at a PPG last season, all be it in a heavily weakened AHL. But he could surprise and become a top 6. And then we have Vierling and Korczac, who are long shots, but both have pretty high ceilings. Korczac is compared to Braden Point a lot and there's good reason for it. Both 3rd round picks and both with high ceilings but low floors, big risk/reward. I mean, that would just be amazing if Korczac came even close to Point. Not something to depend on, but you never know.

We have a good 4 seasons to draft or acquire a future center. And with our glut of young D, who we won't all be able to keep, there's a fair chance we end up trading for that player. Any 2 of Lundqvist, Miller, Jones or Robertson could be traded and we will be fine on D. Still leaves us with Fox, Schneider and Lindgren. Those 3 at least I don't think are going anywhere though. And then which ever 2 of Lundqvist, Miller, Jones, Robertson end up staying, will be good. I still think our best move if we could right now would be to try to trade Lundqvist for a Turcotte, Perfetti Krebs, type of young center. Or trade Jones or Robertson for a bit lesser of similar type of young C. Glass just got moved. And I thought he could be a good acquisition that could still turn out to be a good player. There's other guys out there like Logan Brown, Veleno, Rassmussen, Jost, Kupari, Madden, JAD, Zary, Foudy who, for the right price, could be a sneaky get. I would be ecstatic if we could somehow get Lundell, McMichael or Newhook, but don't think Florida, Caps or Avs respectively, will be moving them for anything. Only reason Kings might move a guy like Turcotte, Vilardi or Kupari is because they have about 7 possible future top 6 centers including Byfield. Jets have Scheifele, PLD and then Perfetti and now Lucius, so maybe theyd move one. Vegas does weird things, lol, so I wouldn't be shocked if they did move Krebs for something. And it would take at least Lundqvist and a 1st round pick to get a lot of these guys. Maybe even something else added. But that's fine given our D depth. Think some of the Kings lesser C prospects could be gotten for maybe Jones or Robertson or even Tuomanen and a pick. Logan Brown or Rasmussen might even be cheap if they are viewed as semi-busts.

Really though, I would like to sign Zibby for 2 extra seasons so his contract runs out when Matthews contract is up, to see if AM goes to free agency and then think we'd stand a good chance at landing him. Or we could sign Zibby to 3 and then Draisatl and Elias Lindholm could be on the market that year. PLD is another guy who we could theoretically go after at some point. He's an RFA after this season, but maybe he will refuse to extend with Jets and we can nab him and then we wouldn't have to re-sign Zibby and/or Strome. And Barkov a UFA after this season, so we could possibly swap Zibby for Barkov in FA. There will be a few guys up for FA when Panarin's contract is up in '26, so we could swap Panarin for a good C signing that year.

Anyway, I think it's way too early to worry about that. Realistically, none of this is a problem until 2026-27 season. And we will finally be free of Ttouba's contract that same year. So we will theoretically have like 20 mil coming off the cap at one time. Granted a lot of that will have to go towards giving our current young players real contracts. But there should still be enough to make a good signing.
 
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I would still take Kakko over Hughes fwiw. I had him at #1 that draft and still do. People need to be patient with him. Slow powerforwards almost never make an immediate impact and I’ve been calling that Kakko will take time to breakout for a while

That's fine. I might even agree if we had a young, possible superstar center on the roster. But our need for center, combined with getting Laf, having Kravtsov and still having Panarin, make me think we specifically would have been better off with Hughes right now as things stand. I'm not down on Kakko or disappointed or anything, But if we did have Hughes right now, we would really have no glaring weakness for the next decade. And we would be absolutely fine on the wings even without Kakko, as we still have Barron, Othmann, Kreider and Chytil can play the wing and Panarin until '26. I mean, just thinking about a Laf - Hughes - Kravtsov future 1st line is kind of mind boggling and salivating. lol. And until then, a Panarin - Hughes - Kravtsov/Chytil line would still be amazing. But I'm cool with Laf - Somebody - Kakko/Kravtsov with the other on the 2nd line.
 
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It is normal in Hughes young age, because less experience and less muscles. But yeah Jack Hughes any day of the week instead of Kakko,, unless he start improving by a lot this season which might happen based on our new more experienced NHL coach! :)
 
I think Hughes will be good but I'm not sold on if he will be a better player than Kakko. Sure, centers are more valuable and the Rangers are in need of centers - but I'm talking about player vs. player and their value to any NHL team.

I'm saying this specifically based upon Kakko's incredible turnaround defensively. And it is incredible.

He essentially went from the worst to first in one season at the age of 20. Adding that dimension to his game at such an early age is telling me there is more development in store for him.

I believe he will become a solid all around player, a contributor on both sides of the puck with massive size and possession skills. That is very sought after and very valuable in the playoffs.

I wouldnt be surprised if Hughes takes off either, he has a really solid skill set that is pretty unique, despite his size issues. But if Kakko becomes a Selke type player and his offensive numbers bloom, I'd want that over a more one-dimensional player, I dont care what center it is.
 
Think we have close to the best team we realistically should have right now. We can't just jump into Cup contention until our young players develop a little more. So really, this will hopefully be the final "developmental" season, and we could even turn it into a playoff birth. But I think that's the goal right now. Develop Laf, Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil, Lundqvist, Jones, Miller, Robertson, Schneider, some in the AHL and a few in Manhattan.

Doing anything else would have felt forced to me. And we can decide after the season what to do with Strome and Zibby. But I think we are pretty set to go for the start of the season.

This is my biggest gripe. We keep talking about the development of of young guys like KK and LaF but a key part of that is establishing rapport with your linemates. Having to face turnover potentially next year at the center position could set this back. I would have preferred to have a definite plan in place (resign Zibs/acquire Strome replacement) this season so the development starts in full. Also who knows what Chtyl will turn into. It is not unrealistic to think he is better suited for forward not center. If that is the case next off season will result in several roster changes at center. Not ideal. Continuity is important in the development.
 
The best long term talent in the 2019 draft remains a big unknown. Hughes, Kakko, Dach, Seider, Zegras, Knight could all run away from the pack. Lots of big time upside with that group.
 
I think Hughes will be good but I'm not sold on if he will be a better player than Kakko. Sure, centers are more valuable and the Rangers are in need of centers - but I'm talking about player vs. player and their value to any NHL team.

I'm saying this specifically based upon Kakko's incredible turnaround defensively. And it is incredible.

He essentially went from the worst to first in one season at the age of 20. Adding that dimension to his game at such an early age is telling me there is more development in store for him.

I believe he will become a solid all around player, a contributor on both sides of the puck with massive size and possession skills. That is very sought after and very valuable in the playoffs.

I wouldnt be surprised if Hughes takes off either, he has a really solid skill set that is pretty unique, despite his size issues. But if Kakko becomes a Selke type player and his offensive numbers bloom, I'd want that over a more one-dimensional player, I dont care what center it is.
I would take Hughes in a NY second, the way he handles the puck, and has tremendous edge work. He’s going to be an absolute stud. He still looks about 17 years old. When he gets his man strength and is harder to knock off the puck and a little bit stronger, he’s going to be an absolute game breaker.
That’s not to say that Kakkos chopped liver. He’s going to be a very solid 2-way winger, and a handful to handle himself.
I think Kakko is in the hossa mold. Will play a similar game and provide similar offense. I think kakko will score 60-70 pts a year. He might flirt with 80 for a couple seasons as well.
I just thing that’s with Hughes skillset and him being a center, with those hands/vision he’ll likely be a 75-85 pt all situation C and he has the talent to flirt with a couple 100 pt seasons.
Just the way I see it IMO. Both guys are still so young and have so much room to grow still. I do wish Kakko had that Hughes explosiveness in his first 2-3 steps.
We saw it a little bit last year when Hughes single handedly put on a show against us.
I think LaF and Hughes will be more comparable scoring wise, then Hughes and Kakko.
 
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It is normal in Hughes young age, because less experience and less muscles. But yeah Jack Hughes any day of the week instead of Kakko,, unless he start improving by a lot this season which might happen based on our new more experienced NHL coach! :)

Hughes is a much better skater, but that hasn't translated to points yet. His hot start masked a pretty underwhelming year. Take away his first 3 games and he had 25 points in 53 games. This, while getting the most ice time of any forward on the team.

Kakko should get more PP and top 6 time this year. Gallants forechecking style should help Kakko's game. If he plays 80+ games, I wouldn't at all be surprised by 50+ points.
 
I don’t think I agree re: we need a 25-25 Jere Lehtinen more than a 35-35 offensive forward.

People keep forgetting that Kreider, Zibanejad and possibly Panarin are not gonna be around, or at least not gonna resemble themselves, when we are trying to win Cups with prime Lafreniere.

We need another All Star Caliber scoring forward besides him. Hell we really need both Laf and Kakko to be great scorers plus we could use two more centers.

I think this is correct, but the caveat is that we’re looking so far into the future that we don’t know who else we’ll have. If Zib is moved rather than re-signed and offensive talent (prospects) come back in that deal, or Strome is moved for a prospect, or a good trade comes along that’s unexpected. Kravtsov could end up being the 70 point guy. Chytil could breakout. Who knows. We can’t shoehorn Kakko into something he isn’t. He could still be a big scorer, but if he’s got a natural aptitude toward being more of a two-way guy with a bit less scoring, we should nurture that and let him develop into the most elite version of that possible. He could be Lehtinen. He could be Stone. Who knows. He’ll be valuable either way, because as our past couple seasons have shown, filling the net is one thing, but if we want to win the tight games and compete, there’s more to the puzzle. If Kakko can be a 60 point dominant two-way winger, I’ll welcome that.
 
This is my biggest gripe. We keep talking about the development of of young guys like KK and LaF but a key part of that is establishing rapport with your linemates. Having to face turnover potentially next year at the center position could set this back. I would have preferred to have a definite plan in place (resign Zibs/acquire Strome replacement) this season so the development starts in full. Also who knows what Chtyl will turn into. It is not unrealistic to think he is better suited for forward not center. If that is the case next off season will result in several roster changes at center. Not ideal. Continuity is important in the development.

I don't get why people are still stuck on Chytil going back to wing at this point... he's a natural center and has performed best at that position throughout his 4 years w our org and at the NHL level. Sure, I can see a scenario when/if we ever have a ton of center depth (or if he were to be traded to a team with that) he could be played there, but he's pretty clearly proven to be most comfortable and better able to contribute as a C.
 
developing rapport with your line mates? Lmao like changing faces gets in the way of this happening.

I can't count the amount of times I've seen a line put together and work instantly. Familiarity doesn't hurt, but its hardly a necessity. It was a hinderance for us last year as DQ kept on sticking with formulas that worked in the past but clearly weren't working in the present.
 
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developing rapport with your line mates? Lmao like changing faces gets in the way of this happening.

I can't count the amount of times I've seen a line put together and work instantly. Familiarity doesn't hurt, but its hardly a necessity. It was a hinderance for us last year as DQ kept on sticking with formulas that worked in the past but clearly weren't working in the present.
yeah funny yet so many people on this board have been adamant about having to keep Strome because of his chemistry with Panarin.
 
yeah funny yet so many people on this board have been adamant about having to keep Strome because of his chemistry with Panarin.

I think this is a dumb argument so I don't know what you're getting at. One of the few things I agree with you on is needing to upgrade Strome with someone who provides more than not dragging Panarin down.

...But they clicked pretty much right away, they didn't need time to develop rapport.
 
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