Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXII

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The New York - Boston rivalry exists is basically every sport except hockey and it annoys me. They had a great opportunity to build one last season but now we go back to the old divisions again.

Also, 8-team divisions suck.

Yup. 100%

And if they were going to do the 8-team model, putting 4 of the 6 original 6 in the same division just so dumb. Aside from the rivalry factor, I think it just would have made more sense to put 2 in Metro, 2 in Atlantic, 2 in Central. Those teams are also some of the most recognized and followed teams by fans outside of their cities and globally. It would have kept 1 major rivalry each per those divisions, and established a bit of franchise parody as far as hockey interest. I guess the Pacific would have been left out of that, but that's fine, they could have worked it out. They would have had the Calgary/Edmonton rivalry, both those teams with Vancouver which is usually decent, then a Seattle v Vancouver thing should probably emerge as well. And they would have had the 3 Cali teams, which, on it's own has varying degrees of interest. But I think all combined it would have been fair for each division and those fanbases, along with spreading the fair weather fans around better, who tend to mostly know the original 6 and maybe another dozen clubs well.

Ah well. That Atlantic division going to get so much more attention now I think than all the other 3 divisions. Just from the hockey world lens.
 
The thing is, the Rangers have plenty of rivalry even without the Bruins. We’ve got the Devils, Islanders, and Flyers no matter the circumstances and more on and off with the Penguins and Caps depending on when the teams are good at the same time. That’s 5 of 7 teams in the division. If our improvement continues as expected, I’d guess we’ll develop an on/off one with the Canes too.

Do we really need the Bruins rivalry? We haven’t had one with them really since the 70s. It’s not a big deal.

It's a different thing though. The only rivalry that could come close is the NY v Philly and Pitt v Philly. But NY v Boston, just in general, city to city, there is a longstanding rivalry. And that carries over to everything and every sport. Given enough time, that would be very special in hockey also.

Rangers v Devils has its moments, but I don't think can math the general vehemence between NY and Boston. The Isles, meh. I don't think Ranger or Devil fans care that much about the Isles frankly. Not since Bossy was playing at least. Then we have the two Florida teams, who are terrific organizations, but not very high value. Lightning are making their mark at least now and gaining some value though. Canes, another great team, passionate super-fanbase. But the overall fan attention and attention in general to Carolina is minimal. CBJ is one of the lowest value teams like Florida, and they don't really have much of a fanbase and they don't get much attention. The Capitals are a weird team, but DC is generally weird. Rangers v Caps and Carolina v Caps could both be good though. And then yea, we get the Pitt v Philly rivalry which, outside of the O6 teams, are probably two of the other biggest, more well known franchises and one of the bigger rivalries.

From a total hockey perspective and a global hockey perspective, they overpowered the Atlantic by putting 4 of the original 6. Those 6 tending to have the most fans outside of their own cities and globally. So that division is going to get so much more general attention than the other 3. I think splitting up NY/Boston in Metro, Tor/Mtl in Atlantic, Chicago/Detroit in Central would have help even that out. And the Pacific would figure something out, having all 3 Cali teams and all 3 Western Canadian teams. I think this aspect is even more important than the rivalries.

But NY v Boston is just special ALL the time. Bruins and Ranger fans still have a long history being O6 clubs. But that relationship would have flourished if groomed. And it would have been really nice to soo. Meanwhile, I don't think it mattes that much what division CBJ is in. Or Carolina for that matter, they probably have more in common with Nashville and maybe the Florida teams than anywhere else. But CBJ to me makes the most sense to swap with Boston. All just fantasy now anyways.
 
I agree with east vs west. Play everyone 3 times in your own conference then play everyone in the west twice. The remaining 5 games are random every year within the conference.

Not a fan of the playoff seeding now as a weak division really makes it a bit unfair.
 
Was just looking at stats between Barzal and Zibby. Zibby outscored him this year by 5 points and 6 goals in a year when he had COVID and was the walking dead half the games. This guy has improved every single year as a ranger and joined Gaborik and Nash in the 40 goal club. I’d resign this kid for $9M easy.
Extremely different players on completely different teams... but Barzal is much better at even strength. Mika is obviously much better on the PP. Mika's elite goal scoring has made him extremely opportunistic

With that said, I hope he finds another gear at ES with Gallant. See him be relentless again on the forecheck. See him get back to a strong 2way game with strong/sustained ES production.
 
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There are a ton of great centers due for contracts this next offseason.

Zibanejad, Couturier, Barkov, Bergeron, Malkin, Giroux, Hertl.

At least one of those guys is gonna slid to UFA. Malkin and Bergeron will almost certainly stay where they are, and have only a couple years left each. Philly is in the same spot we are with their top 2 centers having little term left.

I want to re-sign Zibanejad, but if doing so potentially takes you out of the race on the off chance that Barkov or Couturier hit the market then you just screwed yourself. Can NYR afford both Zibanejad and Couturier? They'd probably have to find a way to lose one of Kreider or Trouba early to make that work, which seems unlikely. LTIR? If a two way center of Couturier's quality hits the market in his prime you have to try to get him. Quintessential stanley cup type center. PP and PK, him and Barkov. Tremendous in the faceoff circle.
 
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Boston NY exists if you happen to follow certain NY teams. Mets fans couldn’t care less about the Sox. I actually enjoy when they beat the Yanks. Can Jets Pats be a rivalry if the Jets never win? The Knicks? Ha how often are they relevant? It’s mainly a Yankee thing
 
There are a ton of great centers due for contracts this next offseason.

Zibanejad, Couturier, Barkov, Bergeron, Malkin, Giroux, Hertl.

At least one of those guys is gonna slid to UFA. Malkin and Bergeron will almost certainly stay where they are, and have only a couple years left each. Philly is in the same spot we are with their top 2 centers having little term left.

I want to re-sign Zibanejad, but if doing so potentially takes you out of the race on the off chance that Barkov or Couturier hit the market then you just screwed yourself. Can NYR afford both Zibanejad and Couturier? They'd probably have to find a way to lose one of Kreider or Trouba early to make that work, which seems unlikely. LTIR? If a two way center of Couturier's quality hits the market in his prime you have to try to get him. Quintessential stanley cup type center. PP and PK, him and Barkov. Tremendous in the faceoff circle.
There is also the chance that none of those hit UFA.
 
Broken record time but i think we should be trying to pry a young center from someone as a back up plan for the following year, Hayton, Lavoie....someone like that. Would Jones and a 2nd work or something similar, probably be enough for Lavoie.
Not a bad concept at all. Although I think Jones’ stock is currently higher than Hayton due to Hayton’s struggles. But this is the type of move, looking for a center like Hayton or Lavoie or others that can pay significant dividends.
 
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And Islanders are sucking and get a break.

Yeah, I mean they will have one guy there, possibly a goalie besides Barzal. We won’t be hit the worst, but Ziba, Panarin, Kakko, Fox and Shesty should be locks. I am not 100% sure on the Czechs depth chart, but Chytil is basically a lock too, right?
 
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Yeah, I mean they will have one guy there, possibly a goalie besides Barzal. We won’t be hit the worst, but Ziba, Panarin, Kakko, Fox and Shesty should be locks. I am not 100% sure on the Czechs depth chart, but Chytil is basically a lock too, right?

are we sure he'd be invited?
 
Yeah, I mean they will have one guy there, possibly a goalie besides Barzal. We won’t be hit the worst, but Ziba, Panarin, Kakko, Fox and Shesty should be locks. I am not 100% sure on the Czechs depth chart, but Chytil is basically a lock too, right?
IMO, Zibanejad, Fox, Chytil, and Panarin are the only players that I think 100% go to the Olympics barring injury. Far from a foregone conclusion that Kakko, Shesterkin, Kreider, Trouba, and Lindgren among others that may be considered end up making the cut.

Shesterkin especially has Vasy, Varlamov, and Sorokin ahead of him. Sorokin always was the higher regarded of the two within Russian national team circles, and it will be Sorokin that goes rather than Shesty unless the former lays huge eggs in the first half of the season.
 
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I've been getting some neck pain the last couple of days. Is it a sign?
 
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