Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXII

[NYSPORTS]

You know, I never considered that, but it's spot on. Air Limerick, out of Ireland, literally the only one I can think of. You know, I don't know much about the Jets origins though, is that how they got the name? Because of the airport? And did Hess pick the colors because all his trucks and gas stations were green? That would make so much sense.

yes, it was b/c of LaGuardia and the colors are Hess fuel

 

[brakeyawself]

Red Bull (the drink brand) owns and sponsors a staggering number of sports teams and sporting events. Crazy that became their big marketing angle, but it did and it worked.

Yea, they legit must own and sponsor like 12 teams across the globe or something. I'm surprised more companies haven't tried doing the same honestly. How about, the Philadelphia Q-Tips. Or the Seattle Macintosh's. lol. eh, I guess you need the right brand name.

LA Playboys! F the Rams.

 

[brakeyawself]

yes, it was b/c of LaGuardia and the colors are Hess fuel

I kind of miss the days of crazy owners making their teams all about them. At least from movies and crap about the old White Sox and Yankees, and Boston. Sports becoming billion dollar industry kind of took away the personality I think from individual teams. The team brandings aren't interchangeable, but the teams themselves kind of are. No more pizaz since George Steinbrenner.

Now all you have are like, the freakin Dolans.

 

[brakeyawself]

Anyone else hear bombs bursting in brooklyn? Must be a crazy fireworks show somewhere. Like CRAZY. I can't even see them.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I kind of miss the days of crazy owners making their teams all about them. At least from movies and crap about the old White Sox and Yankees, and Boston. Sports becoming billion dollar industry kind of took away the personality I think from individual teams. The team brandings aren't interchangeable, but the teams themselves kind of are. No more pizaz since George Steinbrenner.

Now all you have are like, the freakin Dolans.

Agree - Al Davis’ Raiders. The cap balanced a lot and the league became more like a video game. Different uniforms and almost everybody plays the same.

 

[Barnaby]

Out of curiosity, did you like the schedule format this year?

Speaking for myself, I’d like something between the Covid schedule and a normal schedule. I want to see some different teams but I want a heavy emphasis on divisional games. I don’t want to play the aisles twice in October then not see them again until Christmas.

 

[Barnaby]

In 20 years? They would be

Thats great... don’t want to wait until I’m pushing 60 for a great rivalry when I have one now...

 

[Barnaby]

But I don't think that is dependent on them being original 6 teams. And Quebecois will always hate Ontario. That's just a natural rivalry.

Its more proximity and what’s going on lately than “original 6.” That’s mostly just marketing IMO. I don’t think most fans or players care in the least.

 

[Barnaby]

Anyone else hear bombs bursting in brooklyn? Must be a crazy fireworks show somewhere. Like CRAZY. I can't even see them.

Sure it’s fireworks...?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Understood, but if you put us in a division with three other O6 teams we wouldn't suddenly have three strong rivals, just like that. You seemed to imply that Detroit playing with three other O6 teams meant that they had some sort of natural rivalry with those teams.

I don't really care about Detroit or their rivalries or their travel or whatever. I'm just not a fan of the Original Six Rivals angle that the NHL shoves down our throat.

No, my point was that every rivalry Detroit had in the west was as relevant as the O6 rivalries. Their rivalry with Colorado isn't really a thing anymore. And that was their biggest one.

I don't think rivalries from days past are a reason to move them back out West like someone was suggesting.

 

[egelband]

I could see Bettman having an issue returning a team to a failed location. For whatever reason it failed. I know they did it with WPG so I’m not saying it’s impossible but he seems like a guy to hold a grudge.

It would be fun to see though.

I don’t think the location failed. They really supported the team as I understand it. It was the finances and probably the economy. Broader factors. I assume you appreciate that but just wanted to clarify.

 

[Barnaby]

I don’t think the location failed. They really supported the team as I understand it. It was the finances and probably the economy. Broader factors. I assume you appreciate that but just wanted to clarify.

Yea, I wasn’t criticizing the fans or anything. I just meant in general that the location didn’t work due to the economy, building, and what not. I don’t know all the details, but ultimately the location didn’t work. I could see Bettman having the thought process of why do a retread if you having multiple other proposed locations. He could just be fed up that the government failed to secure an arena at the time (I know they have one now). Add to that he seems more interested in building in the US and it might be a tough pull. I think it’d be fun to get Quebec back in the league.

I’m just speculating.

 

[Barnaby]

Yea, they legit must own and sponsor like 12 teams across the globe or something. I'm surprised more companies haven't tried doing the same honestly. How about, the Philadelphia Q-Tips. Or the Seattle Macintosh's. lol. eh, I guess you need the right brand name.

LA Playboys! F the Rams.

LA Playboys? The celebrities would march on them with pitchforks and torches for being misogynists out there! They’d be “LA Football Team” in a week!

 

[Richard Banger]

And this is bullshit. The NHL might be the 4th of 4 big sports in the US, but it’s still a $5B business that draws millions upon millions of viewers.

Yeah the NHL isn’t broke or anything like that. It’s just that the other 3 sports are really really rich lol.

 

[Vitto79]

So I imagine the plan is to live w Strome for another year . He doesn’t suck they could just use a change

sign Zib. A better option won’t come up imo

I’m glad no pacific move w the young D happened . Battle in camp

 

[brakeyawself]

LA Playboys? The celebrities would march on them with pitchforks and torches for being misogynists out there! They’d be “LA Football Team” in a week!

haha true

 

[LORDE]

I had an awful dream that we traded for JE last night and the price wasn't announced yet so I was freaking the f*** out

 

[brakeyawself]

No, my point was that every rivalry Detroit had in the west was as relevant as the O6 rivalries. Their rivalry with Colorado isn't really a thing anymore. And that was their biggest one.

I don't think rivalries from days past are a reason to move them back out West like someone was suggesting.

Yea I mostly agree. But that's why I think it's only a few very special rivalries that do matter. Like others I mentioned, Tor v Mtl, NY v Bos, NY v Phil and Det v Chic is definitely one of those that you can't just replace. And as someone else mentioned, probably Det v Stl, Chi v Stl also have that kind of tread, just a bit lower than some of the others. But I think those two, for Detroit are going to hurt way way more than any Avs rivalry. Even now with Bruins and Rangers in different divisions, it just feels strange. Especially if you are an NBA, MLB and NFL fan at least. Or if you live in any of those cities and just grow up with a deep animosity towards those other cities, in general, even if you can't figure out why. Dodgers v Giants in baseball fit this, mostly because of their NYC days and then both happened to end up in Cali.

I really think they should have switched CBJ for Boston in the new setup. I get why they didn't, because Boston rivalry huge with Mtl also, and they wanted to keep MTL v Tor together. But Boston v NY is in a world of its own, just on the city level, not even the particular sport necessarily. They could have put Carolina in the Atlantic also, but then they'd still leave MTL or Tor alone in that division. So I see why they went the route they did. Just the Boston and Detroit ones bother me most. They could have easily switched Detroit with Nashville and CBJ or Canes with Boston. But whatevs.

But creating new rivalries and trying to compare them to some of these more traditional ones is near impossible. Or at least, it would really take another 80 years and then it would still be lagging behind.

There's only so many of these type of rivalries in the entire world. Man Unt v Liverpool, Arsenal v Tottenham, Bayern v Dortmund, Ajax v Feyenoord, Real Madrid v Barcelona etc..

And usually, in sports you don't mess with those.

 

[brakeyawself]

I had an awful dream that we traded for JE last night and the price wasn't announced yet so I was freaking the f*** out

Shh, you might jinx us and make it happen. That would be awful.

I'd rather just get like Cedric Paquette and call it a day. Habs have too many forwards anyway. I'd even take a stab at Ryan Poehling on the cheap. Maybe Dowd from the Caps? They going to have to bring up McMichael eventually. Faksa, Henrique, Boone Jenner etc.. any of those guys would be preferable to JE.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yea I mostly agree. But that's why I think it's only a few very special rivalries that do matter. Like others I mentioned, Tor v Mtl, NY v Bos, NY v Phil and Det v Chic is definitely one of those that you can't just replace.

The New York - Boston rivalry exists is basically every sport except hockey and it annoys me. They had a great opportunity to build one last season but now we go back to the old divisions again.

Also, 8-team divisions suck.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Broken record time but i think we should be trying to pry a young center from someone as a back up plan for the following year, Hayton, Lavoie....someone like that. Would Jones and a 2nd work or something similar, probably be enough for Lavoie.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The New York - Boston rivalry exists is basically every sport except hockey and it annoys me. They had a great opportunity to build one last season but now we go back to the old divisions again.

Also, 8-team divisions suck.

The league should be split in two, east and west and make the schedule even from that. Play each team 3 times and then work the schedule from that. The divisions suck, if one division has 4 bad teams in it, it alters the standings so much it really doesn't show who's best in the east or west. Top 9 in each division make it, play in 8 vs 9 3 game series to be played in the city that places 8th, gives teams incentive to finish 7th over 8th and 8th over 9th as you get a few days break while the play ins are on and 8th place gets to stay home for those games and eliminate travel. That would be my plan

 

[Bruner4329]

Was just looking at stats between Barzal and Zibby. Zibby outscored him this year by 5 points and 6 goals in a year when he had COVID and was the walking dead half the games. This guy has improved every single year as a ranger and joined Gaborik and Nash in the 40 goal club. I’d resign this kid for $9M easy.

Its pretty much a wash. Barzal actually played in one less game and was hurt at a point in the season. I am fine with Zibs. It is Strome that IMO is not what we need. Need an upgrade over him.

 

[Bruner4329]

Question is will we be able to afford those vets if we eventually have to pay all our young players what they will hopefully be worth? And in that, I don't see Zibanijad here for more than maybe 3-4 years if he does extend and I don't see Panarin re-signing in 2026 when his contract is up. But itl be nice while we have them.

Problem is sometimes you go with the known versus unknown. We have a lot of young guys that have potential but at this point we don't know what they will turn out to be. Fox aside, we can speculate on guys like KK and LaF but we need to hope they flourish. Also guys on this Board think once a guy hits 30 its all over. There have been a ton of players that produce highly through their mid-30s. Signing Zibs to a 5 year deal would not bother me.

 

[Tawnos]

Yea I mostly agree. But that's why I think it's only a few very special rivalries that do matter. Like others I mentioned, Tor v Mtl, NY v Bos, NY v Phil and Det v Chic is definitely one of those that you can't just replace. And as someone else mentioned, probably Det v Stl, Chi v Stl also have that kind of tread, just a bit lower than some of the others. But I think those two, for Detroit are going to hurt way way more than any Avs rivalry. Even now with Bruins and Rangers in different divisions, it just feels strange. Especially if you are an NBA, MLB and NFL fan at least. Or if you live in any of those cities and just grow up with a deep animosity towards those other cities, in general, even if you can't figure out why. Dodgers v Giants in baseball fit this, mostly because of their NYC days and then both happened to end up in Cali.

I really think they should have switched CBJ for Boston in the new setup. I get why they didn't, because Boston rivalry huge with Mtl also, and they wanted to keep MTL v Tor together. But Boston v NY is in a world of its own, just on the city level, not even the particular sport necessarily. They could have put Carolina in the Atlantic also, but then they'd still leave MTL or Tor alone in that division. So I see why they went the route they did. Just the Boston and Detroit ones bother me most. They could have easily switched Detroit with Nashville and CBJ or Canes with Boston. But whatevs.

But creating new rivalries and trying to compare them to some of these more traditional ones is near impossible. Or at least, it would really take another 80 years and then it would still be lagging behind.

There's only so many of these type of rivalries in the entire world. Man Unt v Liverpool, Arsenal v Tottenham, Bayern v Dortmund, Ajax v Feyenoord, Real Madrid v Barcelona etc..

And usually, in sports you don't mess with those.

The thing is, the Rangers have plenty of rivalry even without the Bruins. We’ve got the Devils, Islanders, and Flyers no matter the circumstances and more on and off with the Penguins and Caps depending on when the teams are good at the same time. That’s 5 of 7 teams in the division. If our improvement continues as expected, I’d guess we’ll develop an on/off one with the Canes too.

Do we really need the Bruins rivalry? We haven’t had one with them really since the 70s. It’s not a big deal.