Speculation: Roster Building thread - Part XVII - (TDL is March 7th)
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and what about the previous seasons? What about Mika? What about Trouba?
these guys stagnate or decline physically. There's no improvement. At this point, if I were the org ( I'm not ) , I'd put it in every big contract handed out... Mandatory set training in the offseason.
I hope Drury utilizes some of our cap space to be a retainer for contenders acquiring players on expiring deals.
Even if it just bags a 4th rounder it is worth it
Even if it just bags a 4th rounder it is worth it
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there's another one. One of the best players in the world but still training like he's barely able to stay in the league.
some guys just have 'it'.
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Kreider is about to be 34. He's pushing that window further with him being in shape. These type of seasons will creep in though where he's just dealing with nagging injuries. Fox at 34 will be a pylon if he doesn't change things up
Effort/meekness is my issue with Kreider. Not a physical limitation per se. I would have loved for him to be an asshole, it's just not him.
zlev
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what about the previous seasons? when Fox was an elite top 5 or better in the NHL defenseman?
idk about Mika and Trouba but they're both 6 years older than Fox and neither of them had a strained MCL so that's a completely different set of circumstances.
NickyFotiu
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his physical limitations are valid criticisms. I would not trade Fox nor have I ever thought of it. I'm just saying he needs to be improving physically.
Yes, he had knee issues and that has hurt him this season. His edge work is not there and he's lost a slight step which he couldn't afford to lose. What I'm saying is to hopefully see physical improvements next season
zlev
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i think we need to give him a chance to have a normal offseason and start the year 100% healthy before we try to fix what isn't broken
We’ve pretty much agreed it’s not that relevant and I don’t know how to really look deeply into the most common partners, nor have the time and patience to do so, but I am bored so… out of 198 Dmen who have played a minimum of 30 games this year, using this metric (that we agree is probably flawed):
Makar, Hughes, Morrisey, Heiskanen, Dahlin, Byram, L. Hughes, Chabot, Sanderson, Zub, Pulock, Pelech, Slavin, Faber, Gavrikov, McAvoy, Seider, McDonagh, Siegenthaler, McNabb, Roy, Tanev, Cernak, Anderson, Hedman, Harley, Lindell, Forsling, Ekblad, Kulikov, Mikkola, Burns, Theodore, Bouchard, Ekholm, McCabe, Weegar, Andersson, Middleton, Brodin, Toews, Maata, Kesselring, Sergachev, Chatfield, Samberg, Edvinsson, Pionk, Demelo, Lauzon, Dobson, Jensen, York, Parayko, Pesce, Broberg, Carlson, T. Myers, Hronek, Fabbro, Moser, Kovacevic, Lyubushkin, TVR, OEL, Bahl, Suter, Spurgeon, Peeke, Romanov, Faulk, Blankenburg, Graves, Timmins, Stanley, Lindholm, Merril, Spence, Evans, Schmidt, Sandin, Chisholm, C. Miller, Bean, Moverare, Miromanov, Wotherspoon, Malinski
“Measure” as having a more positive impact defensively. Before I say anything else, I will simply say that this exercise has proven above all else that these stats are utterly meaningless. You said supposing I could find 20-30 players with better defensive rankings - I found 88. Obviously at least half of these names are dubious at absolute best. Simultaneously there are at least a few names missing that are questionable omissions. If we took it on face value, Fox ranks 4th in offensive impact, 89th in defensive impact and 6th in overall impact. I don’t take it at face value at all - I just think that at best these stats can give you a ROUGH idea of how to assess a player and should be given far less weight in actual intelligent conversation. Overall, that was a mildly interesting waste of time.
@Boris Zubov just figured you’d get a chuckle out of how dumb this list is
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effen
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That's the nutty thing about the anti trading Fox on a message board - he's a guy you can realistically choose your adventure on. Magic beans, young NHL talent, all stars, culture/fit guys, you can realistically reshape the team in 10 ways. I wish people would have fun with it a bit.
The standard deal for a player like him would be a young projectable guy at his position who plays now, roster player who fills a need, A prospect, and another piece. So just to make something up on the spot, Faber, Rossi, ZEEV, and fill in the blank (older roster player in this case) from Minnesota for Fox and Trochek. But really it's anything you want.
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I agree with you about health. Good health is so important to a NHL player. It literally sucks knowing that you are a better player but an injury has hampered your game. With that said I do not have any untouchable Rangers. Id listen to all deals (including Shesty and Laf) and then decide.
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I want to keep him lol. Guerin isnt trading Mr. Minnesota Hockey for Adam Fox when he just outplayed him at the Four Nations tournament, (that the leader of the Anti-Fox mafia is using as justification for Trading Fox btw). You dont trade your best defenseman because he isnt perfect. As @Bob Richards said, trading Fox now is akin to trading Leetch after the 92-93 season. It's not a trade the rangers will win
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I know I'm in the minority but I'd shop Gabe for 'that guy'.
Brady Tkachuk is the first one that comes to mind. I couldn't think of a 1LD off the top of my head... maybe Owen Power? dont know. Any 1C that's not soft.
Brady Tkachuk is the first one that comes to mind. I couldn't think of a 1LD off the top of my head... maybe Owen Power? dont know. Any 1C that's not soft.
effen
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Anti Fox Mafia is funny as it's a very small minority that the majority is having a very outsized, prolonged reaction to something they should laugh at and ignore.
Hit dog will holler and all that....
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The value of what Perrault could be on his ELC is pretty high looking to lose quite a bit of talent up front over the next year or two
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7- Lias
21- Chytil
9- Kravtsov
22- KAM
28- Swedish Adam Fox
39 - Olof Lindbom ( had to throw him in here )
2- Kakko
1- Laffy
19- B.Schneider
16- B.Othmann
23- Gabe
30- E.J. Emery
When will we actually draft/develop a difference maker?
It's kind of crazy.... you would have thought we would have gotten 'lucky' by now.
21- Chytil
9- Kravtsov
22- KAM
28- Swedish Adam Fox
39 - Olof Lindbom ( had to throw him in here )
2- Kakko
1- Laffy
19- B.Schneider
16- B.Othmann
23- Gabe
30- E.J. Emery
When will we actually draft/develop a difference maker?
It's kind of crazy.... you would have thought we would have gotten 'lucky' by now.
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I'm far to sedentary to have an opinion on pro athletes being in shape or not.
I think it is enough, probably without Smith.
Otthman and Schneider are physical and Buffalo doesn’t have any of that, especially oj the wings. Byram is LHD but RFA while Dahlin and Power are both signed 7+ years. McLeod is also RFA.
I think people forget how young Byram is too. He’ll be 23 until after this season is over. Same draft as Schneider, but 4OA. He’s a full 1.5 years younger than KAM, who people worry if we move him he’ll blossom.
He’s won a Cup (really good that post season too) and this year looks like he’s turning the corner on the injury bug. 27th in scoring for D (with 27 EV points, Fox has 30, in 2 more games) and a +11 on an awful team (Fox is +5). Not the biggest guy, but skates well, has some physicality, 6’1 205, still tons of upside as a 23 year old D man. I think that’s the buy low LH candidate. Some risk with injury history but that’s a potential home run if he keeps staying healthy.
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It's a relevant discussion given his recent injury troubles. But RB does bring up trading him at 6AM every morning. Id love to talk about something else.
Someone brought up a valid point on the trade boards. Not sure who they root for, but… WHY are we giving out so many NMCs? If we’re such a destination than… why aren’t we getting discounts in exchange for those NMCs? Like, why cave in to an 11.5M contract for Shesterkin AND give him a full NMC.
You want to be in NY. You want to get paid. You want to GUARANTEE we’ll keep you in NY? Cool, 10.5M, full NMC for 8 years and you get everything you want or you can be out of NY by March. Extra million a year worth that for ya?
Why are we attaching NMCs to every contract but not getting anything back. The NMC is often a form of security that’s consider part of the compensation.
You want to be in NY. You want to get paid. You want to GUARANTEE we’ll keep you in NY? Cool, 10.5M, full NMC for 8 years and you get everything you want or you can be out of NY by March. Extra million a year worth that for ya?
Why are we attaching NMCs to every contract but not getting anything back. The NMC is often a form of security that’s consider part of the compensation.
zlev
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well then i'd do that in a second. Byram-Fox would be a top flight 1st pairing and i'd like to see a Cuylle-McLeod-Berard third line next season.
