Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVIII

[NYSPORTS]

Prime Zibanejad and Panarin doesn't leave that much time. It's time to go.

Unlike the Kreider type, i think those two have a lot more in the tank.

IMO, Kreider has wheels and the body. Panarin and Zibby have the wheels, the shot and the better playmaking.

A Laf, Kakko or any defenseman could feed that Panarin shot all day.

 

[Fitzy]

Prime Zibanejad and Panarin doesn't leave that much time. It's time to go.

-Shrug- Joe Sakic was 31 when he won his first cup with the Avs. The whole 01-02 wings team was 30+. Malkin and Crosby are still going strong at 33 and 34.

We don't know, but not every player declines like Brad Richards or Marc Staal.

Also, Zibby and Panarin can be 'still great' with their very best behind them and still be a valuable contributor duo to the squad as Kakko, Laf, and others are in their primes. You imagine in five years you have a core ranging in ages from 23 all the way to 32. That's solid.

 

[RGY]

I asked Flames fans about that swap and it was like I asked for Mario Lemieux.

Like...DeAngelo had 1 less point than Lindholm and he’s not even a f***ing forward.

Unfortunately I think the more realistic guy they would trade is Bennett. And I certainly would not give up a ton of value for Bennett while hoping you catch lightning in a bottle and he is motivated by a change of scenery. I’d rather exhaust a lot of other options for a Center that is trending upward...

Anthony Cirelli

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Ignoring us for a second with Zuccarello, has anyone ever signed a big FA contract and immediately decided to eat 30% of it? That's a lot of money for nothing. He should have went to Dallas. But maybe that weird first round pick clause was a poison pill for them and they didn't want to give him fair money.

 

[Fitzy]

Ignoring us for a second with Zuccarello, has anyone ever signed a big FA contract and immediately decided to eat 30% of it? That's a lot of money for nothing. He should have went to Dallas. But maybe that weird first round pick clause was a poison pill for them and they didn't want to give him fair money.

Sean Avery, but I think we can agree that was a unique set of circumstances.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

@bobbop I think I know the answer to this already but any chance Chychrun would be available for the right price?

 

[Off Sides]

Panarin and Kreider are the only forwards signed past 30.

I would go with 32 as the pivotal age where most players usually start to really decline, yet sometimes with players of Panarin's caliber they can last longer.

There is no great way to reconcile the ages, best bet, they should remain flexible and stop signing non elite players to contracts with clauses where those deals end when the player is 32 plus.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Rumor: LA Kings To Trade For The New York Rangers' #1 Draft Pick

dont know if this is reputable

 

[QJL]

-Shrug- Joe Sakic was 31 when he won his first cup with the Avs. The whole 01-02 wings team was 30+. Malkin and Crosby are still going strong at 33 and 34.

We don't know, but not every player declines like Brad Richards or Marc Staal.

Also, Zibby and Panarin can be 'still great' with their very best behind them and still be a valuable contributor duo to the squad as Kakko, Laf, and others are in their primes. You imagine in five years you have a core ranging in ages from 23 all the way to 32. That's solid.

Lafreniere and Kakko becoming what Panarin and Zibanejad are right now is still something I’d bet against.

There are exceptions and Sakic is one of them. Let’s looks back 5 years ago at the scoring leaders age 26-29. In order, it was Backstrom, Foligno, Giroux, Malkin, Getzlaf, Pacioretty, Toews, Kane, Kopitar, Carter.

Every single one of those players has taken a noticeable step back...except Kane.

I’m just arguing the peak of this team “going for it” should be 2-4 years from now, not 4-6.

 

[Alluckks]

Kakko, Laf, and probably both Fox and Shesterkin (there could be an add or two to this) look to be the main super succinct core of the full future.

Next year is tumultuous because we have big contract extensions coming up to work on, a buyout cap hit heavy year, a flat cap to work inside that frame, a looming expansion draft, and of course it is the youngest year of that core group all together.

After that there is a roughly 4-6 year window using Panarin, Zib, Trouba, Kreider as the big complimentary pieces (relative to some adds) for playoff drives.

After that the aforementioned guys will be right around their primes, which means it will be another 4-6 year window with them for adding a whole new slew of top complimentary pieces.

I see next year as a get the engine running year, and then after that we have at least 2 full distinct lengthy periods of different iterations of Rangers contender hockey, maybe 3 different iterations 3-5 year timeframes depending on trades.

If we look at those 4 as the main 4 right now, I think we can see anywhere 2 to 5 different Ranger teams built around them. Think about Lundqvist's career as an example (but hopefully with some better and more complete outcomes this time). It is an exciting time with a bright future.

 

[Fugazy]

Rumor: LA Kings To Trade For The New York Rangers' #1 Draft Pick

dont know if this is reputable

It’s not, thankfully.

 

[aufheben]

Rumor: LA Kings To Trade For The New York Rangers' #1 Draft Pick

dont know if this is reputable

Idk, but the title is definitely click-baity. Of course the Kings are interested, so are the other 29 teams.

 

[Alluckks]

Rumor: LA Kings To Trade For The New York Rangers' #1 Draft Pick

dont know if this is reputable

Byfield, Turcotte, and Vilardi is a haul for sure.

Do you want to try to build your perennial contender like how the Penguins and Blackhawks did [by keeping Laf], or like how the Bruins and Red Wings did

I'd rather keep Laf, personally. But if you got Byfield, Turcotte, Vilardi, and another add... well, I would certainly understand the other point of view at least.

 

[mas0764]

Rumor: LA Kings To Trade For The New York Rangers' #1 Draft Pick

dont know if this is reputable

Come on man

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Rumor: LA Kings To Trade For The New York Rangers' #1 Draft Pick

dont know if this is reputable

It's just some guy's blog lol.

The Kings writer at the Athletic ( 'They've got to listen' – Could the Kings trade up for the No. 1 pick? ) just says that LAK has a lot of good prospects and hypothetically could get it across the line value-wise. Which...sure! But she doesn't say they're going to do it or even that they're pushing for it.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

We could've avoided any Vilardi rumors if we had just taken him in 2017

 

[Leetch3]

Byfield, Turcotte, and Vilardi is a haul for sure.

Do you want to try to build your perennial contender like how the Penguins and Blackhawks did [by keeping Laf], or like how the Bruins and Red Wings did

I'd rather keep Laf, personally. But if you got Byfield, Turcotte, Vilardi, and another add... well, I would certainly understand the other point of view at least.

that certainly would solve our center depth problem and instantly create a logjam problem where we can't play everyone in the top 9...5 minutes after that trade before the first 'can byfield play wing?' posts lol

 

[TheTimTamSlammerMan]

Crazy in a year or two we could roll out 2 first lines and nice ass 2nd line for our top 9.

 

[Leetch3]

Don’t like The idea of acquiring a D you have to protect. Might make an exception for like Hampus Lindholm but it’s a very short list.

I tend to lean the same way unless it is someone really good like you said...but I also think that if we trade for a top 4 LHD that means ADA will be dealt which would clear up a protection spot. with Fox's expected raise looming in 2 years, I don't think you can commit big $$ to trouba, ada and a LHD. 2 of the 3 and then fox becomes the 3rd guy you spend on and then round out the blueline around those guys.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Byfield, Turcotte, and Vilardi is a haul for sure.

Do you want to try to build your perennial contender like how the Penguins and Blackhawks did [by keeping Laf], or like how the Bruins and Red Wings did

I'd rather keep Laf, personally. But if you got Byfield, Turcotte, Vilardi, and another add... well, I would certainly understand the other point of view at least.

Kings are taking Stutzle.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Kings are taking Stutzle.

Do u see him as the better or safer pick?

 

[Webster]

Ignoring us for a second with Zuccarello, has anyone ever signed a big FA contract and immediately decided to eat 30% of it? That's a lot of money for nothing. He should have went to Dallas. But maybe that weird first round pick clause was a poison pill for them and they didn't want to give him fair money.

Yeah that's the truth about the Dallas story. I think they offered Zuccarello $16M over four years, because they had to give up that 1st. But it also meant that Zucc would have to leave $14M on the table, no sane person would do that.

I believe the league has now banned deals with such conditional picks, not supposed to hurt players involved.

 

[Alluckks]

I asked Flames fans about that swap and it was like I asked for Mario Lemieux.

Like...DeAngelo had 1 less point than Lindholm and he’s not even a f***ing forward.

Well, they also compared their team to the dynasty era Blackhawks...

 

[Edge]

It's been a rough few years for Zucc.

 

[Bluto]

Yeah that's the truth about the Dallas story. I think they offered Zuccarello $16M over four years, because they had to give up that 1st. But it also meant that Zucc would have to leave $14M on the table, no sane person would do that.

I believe the league has now banned deals with such conditional picks, not supposed to hurt players involved.

I've always thought conditional picks were stupid. If you're going to have conditional picks, it should be based on the player's performance, not the team's performance.