Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVIII

[pld459666]

Didn't realize how team friendly Lindholm's contract is. That's incredibly valuable if you can get a 60-70 point 2nd line center under control for four more seasons at <5m. Imagine Panarin - Lindholm - Kakko?

Until he does it again, I'm not convinced he is anything more than a 45-50+ point center.

Its like saying Strome is a 55pt center because he did it one time.

Consistency is necessary here.

 

[Vitto79]

Until he does it again, I'm not convinced he is anything more than a 45-50+ point center.

Its like saying Strome is a 55pt center because he did it one time.

Consistency is necessary here.

What’s the deal w Dylan Strome and why would Chicago trade him ?

Panarin , Strome , Strome as a line?

 

[pld459666]

They’ve been grooming Chytil to be a center. All of the sudden Kakko and Kravtsov will have to carry a huge load. Having an actual experienced NHL-caliber top-6 winger makes a world of difference just by slotting all the other wingers into their most beneficial positions.

I don't think Kakko or Kravtsov are carrying as huge a load as you are insinuating .

Neither are going to be asked to carry anything on their respective lines. The mail is carried by the other players, all they have to do is not screw it up.

I think both would benefit tremendously playing with other good offensive players.

 

[pld459666]

What’s the deal w Dylan Strome and why would Chicago trade him ?

Panarin , Strome , Strome as a line?

This was a reply to lindholm being a 60-70 point center

 

[Vitto79]

This was a reply to lindholm being a 60-70 point center

Gotcha , I guess I don’t get why Lindholm would be moved by Calgary has he not taken off there ?

They do have 5 ufa D so I’d offer DeAngelo plus no problem if it’s possible

 

[eco's bones]

I agree and Tampa won’t take Tony back I’m sure

I’d just be picky and sign him unless the right deal is in place. No need to rush into a meh return

Tony's heading for a big contract and we're heading for a flat cap for at least 3 years and we're going to have to sign Mika and others. Nils Lundkvist is the real deal---younger, won't have nearly the defensive issues and will be very manageable on an ELC and I would not sign any of our current RFA's long term. Not Tony, not Strome, not Alex, not Lemieux. 1 or 2 year deals. Fox might take a longer term deal depending on how next year goes--Kakko maybe the year after depending.

 

[mas0764]

If I’m Gorton, I’m looking very hard down the road a year while I formulate this years plan and working backwards.

One year from now;
Expansion draft
Strome likely UFA (may not be a bad thing)
Lundkvist arrives
Miller arrives (if he is not here already)
Lundqvist, Staal, Smith and the bulk of Shattenkirk’s buyout off the cap.

So the way I see it...

One of the three wise men will have to retire, be bought out or be traded. The Rangers need the money to resign Fast and prop up the left defense. Once the decision is made on how to proceed in goal, the other decisions will be easier to make.

Strome gets a one year contract (likely) unless he is willing to take 2-3 years at a discounted price. If he gets a multi year contract, he could always be exposed in the expansion draft if he shits in the bed next year.

The Rangers would be wise to get a potential Strome replacement into the system. Most likely a young veteran, perhaps an 2018 or 2019 draft pick from another team. At some point they are going to need another middle six (or better) center.

If Lundkvist is indeed judged ready to step right into the lineup next year that begs the question what to do with DeAngelo. If there is value available, he could be traded this summer. He may be at the top of his value. There’s also no harm keeping him and seeing how next year plays out. If he is traded this summer, the Rangers could be in the market for a one year stop gap on the right side (Kevin Shattenkirk? Alec Martinez?) Many others available

All other decisions fall out of these plans. If Lundqvist is staying next year, Georgiev will be used to acquire a developing center or draft capital.

There are dozens of UFA defensemen available this summer. Someone who can pair with Trouba is a priority. A third pair righty could also be on the docket.

Finally, I’d like to see the Rangers find a Brian Boyle type to kill penalties, take face offs and sit in the press box when appropriate. Hey, here’s a thought...what about Brian Boyle?

Completely agree about center, except I don’t see why it can’t be a young center from this draft as opposed to 2018 or 2019. But if it’s a guy like Krebs too, I’m interested.

 

[Chytilmania]

As long as Panarin doesn't play the right side on the pp.

Kakko, Panarin, DeAngelo one PP. Laf, Zib, Fox the other PP. Chytil and Kreider screening the goalie.

 

[pld459666]

Gotcha , I guess I don’t get why Lindholm would be moved by Calgary has he not taken off there ?

They do have 5 ufa D so I’d offer DeAngelo plus no problem if it’s possible

That + can't be too significant.

 

[leetch99]

I would be careful in DeAngelo trades....he reminds me a lot of Letang who was an integral part for the Penguins ....fight/score /PP and a Prick to play against . Guys like him don't fall out of the D tree everyday . Hold the line on spending or trading for two more seasons.....and then we should be ready to take off . If we get a steady improvement in Kravs-Gauthier -Chytil-Kakko-Lindgren-DeAngelo-Howden-Fox and add in the Swedish Dman Lundkvist and Miller / Robertson and who knows...our second first rounder might be a delight like the Bruins found with their sniper Pasternak late in a draft . Plus we still have some guys waiting to be Rangers like Barron . I doubt Gorton will do any panic moves until they absolutely know what we have in the system . Any problems we have would be what makes other clubs drool these days . I think Gauthier could be a huge factor for us this season . I would like to see him follow Kreider and see some crease on the 2nd PP unit .

 

[Chytilmania]

The entire league, not just the Rangers, are facing a flat cap. Tony can sign a 1 year deal until we get our dead weight off the books and him along with every other FA realizes they may not be able to cash in on huge deals even if they've earned them. Horrible timing for him but I do not see an issue retaining and those who want to trade him away for 30+ year old players are insane.

 

[mas0764]

Lets do it.

Eh, don’t want to deal Lundkvist for Cirelli. Jones instead?

 

[mas0764]

I am not so sure of that.

I get a bit of a Blake Wheeler vibe when I watch him in Finland. And these really big young forwards just takes time. Pulju just turned 22. He is the same size as Kevin Hayes and Wheeler and co. Both Hayes and Wheeler debuted in the NHL at the age of 22. It’s not his fault that EDM was brain dead and brought him to the NHL over 4 years ago...

I would not bet my mom on that Pulju — will — make it, even become a NHLer. But I definitely think that he has moved a long way in the right direction. And there is no reason to not expect a young kid with his size to keep developing and to grow into their body.

At this point I’m willing to do Andersson for Puljujarvi, but probably not any more.

 

[NYSPORTS]

At this point I’m willing to do Andersson for Puljujarvi, but probably not any more.

i think winning the lottery will put an end any chance Puljujarvi comes here. This team needs a center.

 

[Savant]

The problem isn't the lack of top end talent, it's a lack of quality depth combined with essentially carrying $20m+ in dead cap space. You can't realistically think that this team is a cup contender whilst still carrying Staal/Smith and having AHL'ers like McKegg and PDG heavily featuring in the bottom six

Lets say we make your trade for Stastny, Martinez and Krebs and come up short because we're still a young inexperienced team and then both Stastny and Martinez walk in UFA. What do you have to show for your 24 year old RHD who just paced for 60+ points ? A similar tier prospect to the one you probably could have gotten with the first round pick you threw in for two 30+ year olds, not to mention you're losing Georgie who could fetch at least a second or another young depth piece.

Have patience the window is cracked, it'll be slammed open once we get all of that cap space back and the kids get another year of growth. ADA is one of the better trade chips for a while, if he goes it has to be for someone who is going to have a long term impact and keep the window open.

Sure but this give you depth. Essentially Laffy and Stastny replace McKegg and PDG here. That is significant. If Stastny and Martinez walk, you still get Cap Space which you use to resign Zibanejad. The Rangers do not need cap next season they need cap for 2021. They get it.

Georgiev on his own probably gets a 2nd. I’d rather have someone with cup experience come in for a year than a second. Someone needs to show them the way, and especially with a Lundqvist staying an uncertainty, they could use some help in the room.

I realize the site is Hockey’s Future, not Hockey’s Present but sometime these trades matter too.

 

[eyjee]

Jake Nakladal never got a fair shot.

found silverfish's burner account

 

[mas0764]

i think winning the lottery will put an end any chance Puljujarvi comes here. This team needs a center.

Sure but Andersson is zero for us and doesn’t even seem likely to be able to bring back a center. If Edmonton is interested in swapping a bust 4th overall for a bust 7th overall, fine, I’ll take Puljujarvi as an extra wing lottery ticket, but I’m not giving up anything else of value. Not giving up a first or high ranking prospect in addition to Andersson. This is bust for bust, with each team taking a chance on rehabilitation.

I’ll find a center elsewhere. But yes certainly after drafting Lafreniere I agree center is our biggest need by far.

 

[Edge]

Sure but Andersson is zero for us and doesn’t even seem likely to be able to bring back a center. If Edmonton is interested in swapping a bust 4th overall for a bust 7th overall, fine, I’ll take Puljujarvi as an extra wing lottery ticket, but I’m not giving up anything else of value. Not giving up a first or high ranking prospect in addition to Andersson. This is bust for bust, with each team taking a chance on rehabilitation.

I’ll find a center elsewhere. But yes certainly after drafting Lafreniere I agree center is our biggest need by far.

I am not someone who has lusted after Pool-party, but there is part of me that wonders if he’s seen as a candidate to replace Buch if the latter is dealt.

So Buch goes in a deal for a better, Puljujarvi is traded for Andersson (or whoever) and the Rangers essentially move some furniture around.

 

[TominNC]

it balances the scoring depth between LW and RW. Otherwise, Buch>Kakko>Fast>Gauthier. Gauthier is playing 7 minutes a night, Kakko a sophomore, Fast still just a great checker, and Buch is a pending RFA probably pushing it as 1RW. Having Kreider, Lafreniere, Panarin and Buchnevich all in your top six, with Chytil and Kakko on the third line is much better strength in depth across the top nine.

I'd prefer Kakko in top 6 and Kreider adding to a third line. Kreider - Chytil - Gauthier is a very big, fast third line.

 

[WilsonNY14]

What would you guys think of something around Lundkvist, Andersson, CAR 1st for Cirelli?

I have zero interest in giving Tampa Lundkvist back (he was the first rounder sent over in the McDonough trade). Plus that would be an overpayment imo. At this price, I'd rather go after someone like Elias Lindholm from Calgary.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

What’s the deal w Dylan Strome and why would Chicago trade him ?

Panarin , Strome , Strome as a line?

I’m staying away from Dylan Strome

Chicago wanting to pull the eject button so soon after trading away a big piece of their team?

Red flag city

 

[Kocur Dill]

If we could capture lightning in a bottle and get the same capital out of an Andersson for Puljujarvi trade like we, ironically, got out of Spooner and Strome with Edmonton, I'm all for it for that reason alone.

I'm not a fan of acquiring Pulju for team needs other than betting we can turn one failed asset into another asset with upward rewards down the line, maybe even a deal with another team at the expansion draft when GM's look to jocky assets if the Vegas precedent holds weight.

Agreed that getting Lafreniere gives us leverage in that oft-circulated deal we didn't have before.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Lias playing a good season in Sweden going to change Ken Hollands mind about him not being an NHL player?

Not so sure

Plus you add in the fact Puljujarvi said he’d be open to coming back to the Oilers, I think that deal is dead as they come

 

[WilsonNY14]

I am not someone who has lusted after Pool-party, but there is part of me that wonders if he’s seen as a candidate to replace Buch if the latter is dealt.

So Buch goes in a deal for a better, Puljujarvi is traded for Andersson (or whoever) and the Rangers essentially move some furniture around.

The one thing that may be off putting for Puljujarvi imo is that he did have double hip surgery last year. I question how long his hips will hold up long and short term. Especially since he has such a big body that those hips support. Maybe Jamie Benn is an example where it may not be too much of an issue, but there's risk here.

 

[TominNC]

I would hold on to Lundkvist. No problem with deals that address needs like C or LD. But I would prefer players not much older than our young group, so they can play together for awhile.