Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVIII

[mas0764]

That’s not a solution, that’s the worst group of RWs in the NHL.

Well keeping Buch around doesn’t turn it into a contender’s group of RWs, so frankly I’m not interested in how good we are next year, cause those are our RWs, with or without Buch.

 

[NYR]

Kreider reminds me of Knuble, only Knuble was a much harder worker..

 

[leetch99]

That’s not a solution, that’s the worst group of RWs in the NHL.

If they all took a step forward in their play and that is not that far of a reach either .....we might have the best right side depth then....

 

[TominNC]

Jeez. Why don't we make everyone happy and play everyone at a new position. That seemingly will solve everything.

 

[cwede]

The Vegas deal only makes sense to me if we are getting back Glass or Krebs or both.

Yeah, both would lessen my doubts

 

[rangers1314]

What are the odds that rather using Carolinas 1 and Buch as bait for a C/LD, the bait is Carolina 1 + Kratvsov?

 

[Avery16]

Jeez. Why don't we make everyone happy and play everyone at a new position. That seemingly will solve everything.

Doesn’t Henrik’s twin brother play C

 

[NYR Viper]

It would be interesting to see if the Rangers would trade someone like ADA for a young 2C and NOT being in a long term LD that requires protection this season. Find a stop-gap for a year at LD and then when next year rolls around look around the league to see which teams can’t protect all of their d-men. Having a protection slot open on defense could be HUGE.

I’m also intrigued by Turris is he gets bought out. Even on a 2-3 year deal. He can play RW or Center and perennially has been a good face off guy. He’d be a nice veteran presence up the middle and that term length of 2-3 years wouldn’t be bad as it would align with when other players will need raises. Worst case scenario is he slides down to be a veteran RWer on the 3rd line or 4th line center if Howden takes a big step. His cap hit, if bought out and signed, shouldn’t be too bad.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Well keeping Buch around doesn’t turn it into a contender’s group of RWs, so frankly I’m not interested in how good we are next year, cause those are our RWs, with or without Buch.

It's kind of important when Buch is proven on the first line and he pushes everyone down on the chart.

I'm not convinced Buch is getting moved. The aforementioned depth is one reason. The chemistry of the 1st line, and it being probably the only returning line from this season.

Trading him for a defenseman most likely means 4 D protected in expansion, not insurmountable but another can of worms. It means that adding a #2 center on anything more than 2 years exposes Chytil, Lemieux, Howden, and Fast (if re-signed which I assume with Buch out). Protected 8 skaters: Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, Trouba, ADA, Lindgren, #2 center, added LD.

In other words, moving Buch for a LD means we move the deck chairs around and expose a hole on the right, and you can't add a long term solution at center. I'm comfortable with Strome on the short term but that doesn't seem to be a popular take. Or you have to move ADA which is even less popular.

 

[NYR Viper]

It's kind of important when Buch is proven on the first line and he pushes everyone down on the chart.

I'm not convinced Buch is getting moved. The aforementioned depth is one reason. The chemistry of the 1st line, and it being probably the only returning line from this season.

Trading him for a defenseman most likely means 4 D protected in expansion, not insurmountable but another can of worms. It means that adding a #2 center on anything more than 2 years exposes Chytil, Lemieux, Howden, and Fast (if re-signed which I assume with Buch out). Protected 8 skaters: Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, Trouba, ADA, Lindgren, #2 center, added LD.

In other words, moving Buch for a LD means we move the deck chairs around and expose a hole on the right, and you can't add a long term solution at center. I'm comfortable with Strome on the short term but that doesn't seem to be a popular take. Or you have to move ADA which is even less popular.

Id be okay trading Buch, signing Fast and moving Stroke to RW on a 2-3 year deal. Strome and Fast probably give Kaako, Kravtsov and Gauthier some time to marinate. The right side wouldn’t be noteworthy but I’m okay with a Fast, Strome, Kaako, Gauthier right side.

 

[egelband]

would anyone be mad at this??

CK - MZ - PB
AP - RS - VK
AL - FC - KK
BL - LA - JG

For that 4th line, you can swap in either of Howden or Barron.

I like the idea of that kid line being a bit of a sheltered unit and allowing them to grow together and eventually take over the 2nd line.

That could be the teams 1st line for 10+ years.

Mark Zablonsky as our number one center? I’ve never even heard of him! Puh-leeeeeeeeez.
No. Thank. You.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It's kind of important when Buch is proven on the first line and he pushes everyone down on the chart.

I'm not convinced Buch is getting moved. The aforementioned depth is one reason. The chemistry of the 1st line, and it being probably the only returning line from this season.

Trading him for a defenseman most likely means 4 D protected in expansion, not insurmountable but another can of worms. It means that adding a #2 center on anything more than 2 years exposes Chytil, Lemieux, Howden, and Fast (if re-signed which I assume with Buch out). Protected 8 skaters: Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, Trouba, ADA, Lindgren, #2 center, added LD.

In other words, moving Buch for a LD means we move the deck chairs around and expose a hole on the right, and you can't add a long term solution at center. I'm comfortable with Strome on the short term but that doesn't seem to be a popular take. Or you have to move ADA which is even less popular.

Moving Buch doesn't stop them from adding a RW. @Thirty One pointed out that Kreider played over 100 minutes on the right side of Panarin this season. It's not a huge sample size, but its significant enough where the team has shown that they're comfortable enough doing it.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Moving Buch doesn't stop them from adding a RW. @Thirty One pointed out that Kreider played over 100 minutes on the right side of Panarin this season. It's not a huge sample size, but its significant enough where the team has shown that they're comfortable enough doing it.

I think someone here also mentioned that Brooks said on some podcast that the Rangers would have no issue moving Kreider to RW.

 

[aufheben]

w/r/t moving Kreider to RW: this is exactly what my point was earlier about LW, depth, the pipeline, etc. Things happen.

 

[aufheben]

Well keeping Buch around doesn’t turn it into a contender’s group of RWs, so frankly I’m not interested in how good we are next year, cause those are our RWs, with or without Buch.

They’ve been grooming Chytil to be a center. All of the sudden Kakko and Kravtsov will have to carry a huge load. Having an actual experienced NHL-caliber top-6 winger makes a world of difference just by slotting all the other wingers into their most beneficial positions.

 

[egelband]

Even in a 3rd pair role, Colin Miller would be the new whipping boy around here. Other than shoot the puck, he doesn't do anything well consistently. His hockey sense is below average & he loses confidence in himself quite frequently. He's the guy who shows flashes in one game & you think the light has turned on, but then he follows that up with 5 bad games in a row.

Hah. Sounds familiar.

 

[Trxjw]

w/r/t moving Kreider to RW: this is exactly what my point was earlier about LW, depth, the pipeline, etc. Things happen.

Yep. Move Kreider to the RW and suddenly your 3rd best LW is Brandon Lemieux instead of Chris Kreider. Not a bad player but certainly a pretty big gap there.

 

[Leetch3]

I’m not worried about the bottom 6 depth. We need some patience for kids to develop and another year to get some cap space but it will come in time. Getting the elite talent was the hard part. The depth is the easy part...

 

[Vitto79]

Moving Buch doesn't stop them from adding a RW. @Thirty One pointed out that Kreider played over 100 minutes on the right side of Panarin this season. It's not a huge sample size, but its significant enough where the team has shown that they're comfortable enough doing it.

Long shot but Dadanov is a ufa

 

[Vitto79]

w/r/t moving Kreider to RW: this is exactly what my point was earlier about LW, depth, the pipeline, etc. Things happen.

Barron can play LW and could Kravtsov ?

Also they can get to a point where they sign a UFA to fill a bottom 6 Role

If Buch can turn into a 2nd line young C well It’s easier to find a winger later

 

[Trxjw]

I do think we'd manage with Kakko/Fast/Gauthier/TBD down the right-side easier than we we would with Smith/Lindgren/Staal on LD. Especially when it's likely that we'll have a high-end line driver on each line in the top-9.

It'd also be pretty cool to throw Lafreniere, Chytil and Kakko/Gauthier on a line together and watch them grow into a force. Especially as your 3rd line in the short term.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Moving Buch doesn't stop them from adding a RW. @Thirty One pointed out that Kreider played over 100 minutes on the right side of Panarin this season. It's not a huge sample size, but its significant enough where the team has shown that they're comfortable enough doing it.

Right, but Buch is going with a left d coming in presumably. It would be for someone with term otherwise it's a waste. Adding another RW is another protection slot. Chytil is then exposed.
Hey, Kreider can slot over I guess. I'm acknowledging it as a potential solution but I have doubts over 130 minutes of play there. How much was 6 on 5?

Long shot but Dadanov is a ufa

Again, protection issues. He's not coming here on a 1 year deal most likely.

I'm not trying to rain on the parade or kill ideas. But we should consider this element of the expansion draft. If we want to sign a stop gap RW, why not go that route on LD? You can then go 7/3/1 in expansion at least. Strome is effectively a stop gap if his ask is reasonable. We know where he fits and if the Chytil project continues they can be interchangeable between RW and C. Buch stays to help with RW depth and the stability of the 1st line.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Right, but Buch is going with a left d coming in presumably. It would be for someone with term otherwise it's a waste. Adding another RW is another protection slot. Chytil is then exposed.
Hey, Kreider can slot over I guess. I'm acknowledging it as a potential solution but I have doubts over 130 minutes of play there. How much was 6 on 5?

Again, protection issues. He's not coming here on a 1 year deal most likely.

I'm not trying to rain on the parade or kill ideas. But we should consider this element of the expansion draft. If we want to sign a stop gap RW, why not go that route on LD? You can then go 7/3/1 in expansion at least. Strome is effectively a stop gap if his ask is reasonable. We know where he fits and if the Chytil project continues they can be interchangeable between RW and C. Buch stays to help with RW depth and the stability of the 1st line.

I believe this was all 5v5.

 

[cwede]

Watching Yanks-Red Sox,
man, NYR dont need to chase Stastny, Martinez.
Just gotta have the pro scouts find parallel guys to Voit, Urschela, and Tauchman

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

What are the odds that rather using Carolinas 1 and Buch as bait for a C/LD, the bait is Carolina 1 + Kratvsov?

"Coincidentally" the same as the odds that Lundy and/or Staal retires....