Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[NYR Viper]

Here's an interesting one:

What about ADA for Hintz + Delandrea

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Dallas is looking to shed some salary so I assume if Hintz goes it would be for an ELC player

 

[Kovalev27]

Lafreniere/Kreider
Panarin/Kakko

those are your top 6 wings for a long time. Pretty much done deal. They can mix and match but that’s what’s going to happen. I don’t expect Kreider to move to the third line anytime soon.

now you just need to fill in behind them and you’ve already got Barron Kravtsov Gauthier Lemieux

now again as I’ve said I think you’re doing yourself a disservice if you don’t give Lafreniere a look at center at some point in the future. I think he could be dominant as he matures. Start him at wing but at some point maybe it’s an injury or something you move him over to see what he can do in that spot.

 

[NYR Viper]

Dallas is looking to shed some salary so I assume if Hintz goes it would be for an ELC player

I would assume Hintz gets $3m+ on his next deal so that would help. Perhaps the Rangers take a guy like Cogliano who has 1 year left as well to even out salaries. That's a team who needs to compete now and getting ADA to pair with Heiskenen would go a long way to helping with that.

With Dickinson and Faksa already there behind Seguin perhaps they would see the value.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

For those who closely follow the rest of the league, assuming that ADA, Strome, Georgiev, Lias, and Smith (we pay to move) are available:

1. who are ideal cost controlled 2Cs to target
2. Who are decent LDs to serve as a stop gap between garbage now and Miller/Tarmo/Robertson/Hajek and that satisfy the expansion requirement (I’d like to see a Smith swap with OTT Reilly to save 2.8 on cap and we have to add assets)
3. Who are good North/south players to target to swap with our more East/west guys
4. If we trade ADA for a 2C, who backfills (Strome trade?)

asking for a friend

 

[NYR Viper]

A name of a guy who would be a solid depth center would be Mattias Janmark. It was rumored the Rangers liked him in the past. Solid 2-way player and good speed. He'd be an ideal partner for Fast on any checking line.

 

[Trxjw]

Thats an interesting comparison and certainly possible. I think most people would agree Laf has a MUCH better chance of pulling this off than high profile Ws like Hall or Laine.

However all of that said I think the org should really build as if he is a LW long term. He’s instantly the most important player in this organization which is not something I say lightly given the pieces they have...you have to build around what maximizes his potential as the #1 priority in my book.

I absolutely agree. I start him on the LW and evaluate from there. No way would I put him on the RW or in the middle to start. He's an elite talent who can drive play from the wing, so moving him to the center would be the ultimate "nice to have" in this context. Extend Strome for two years, keep Chytil as the 3C for now, and evaluate over the next 24 months (or whatever COVID schedule we're on).

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I would assume Hintz gets $3m+ on his next deal so that would help. Perhaps the Rangers take a guy like Cogliano who has 1 year left as well to even out salaries. That's a team who needs to compete now and getting ADA to pair with Heiskenen would go a long way to helping with that.

With Dickinson and Faksa already there behind Seguin perhaps they would see the value.

DeAngelo for Hintz is a move I could get behind for sure, def would have to take some salary back like you said.

Although TBH I think Dallas would move Faksa or Dickinson before Hintz, I believe he's centering their top line atm

 

[Leetch3]

Lafreniere/Kreider
Panarin/Kakko

those are your top 6 wings for a long time. Pretty much done deal. They can mix and match but that’s what’s going to happen. I don’t expect Kreider to move to the third line anytime soon.

now you just need to fill in behind them and you’ve already got Barron Kravtsov Gauthier Lemieux

now again as I’ve said I think you’re doing yourself a disservice if you don’t give Lafreniere a look at center at some point in the future. I think he could be dominant as he matures. Start him at wing but at some point maybe it’s an injury or something you move him over to see what he can do in that spot.

given the chemistry that mika has with buch and how well they play together. and the HUGE boost that chytil would get playing with kreider. i wouldn't be rushing to move CK to his off-wing

 

[Kovalev27]

Buch is a goner and mika has great chemistry with kreider

 

[haveandare]

Ideally NYR need another Chytil level guy. A current 3C who is young and a good shot to be a 2C before long. I think the price for established 2Cs is going to be very hefty, and given the insane strength on the wings for both top lines, a young guy who has some room to grow could probabaly get it done there and find a way. I like Chytil but I wouldn’t want to rely on him alone to grow into that, getting another guy like him would make the odds a lot better. Having said that, I’m not sure who’s out there in that mould.

 

[Off Sides]

ADA was 4th in the NHL among D in scoring last season.

Trading him for a dynamic player of similar age is something that would maybe make sense.

Moving him for less than that or for a package of less thans because they put themselves in a bad position with Trouba is dumb. Moving him to keep Strome is not only dumb but shortsighted too.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

do people not watch this guy play? I really don’t get it. Do they expect guys playing 25 mins a night in all situations not to get beat or turn pucks over ever? Guy was our best player against Carolina when we had to play big boy hockey. That’s why he’s here.

Preach.

In reality, you and I both know the reason so many dislike him: for all the roster building jujitsu people try to arrange our current stable of D to keep them all, in the backs of their minds they know that the team is not going to pay three RD long term – and indeed, even if the salary cap wasn't a problem, given their handedness they simply could never maximize the value of all three. Therefore, those who are particularly in love with ADA (ironically, some who are the quickest to point out those who dislike his politics love him as much as they do because he represents an avatar for their own views, IMO) want Trouba gone because they know Fox isn't going anywhere. It's not a realistic position, but it's not that hard to understand.

 

[True Blue]

What are the odds and opinion on an offer sheet on say Barzal, Cirelli or Dubois?

By the Rangers? Exactly zero

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Isn't Janmark basically a winger now?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Realistically over the next 12-18 months, I think the teams major trade pieces are going to be
- Carolina's 2020 1st
- DeAngelo
- Buchnevich
- Strome
- Georgiev (?)

I'm not including Lias to this group because he's at best a throw in at this point.

There's potential with this group to really address the holes and fill out the roster if Gorton gets it right

 

[True Blue]

from us? the odds are 0.000%

Can we actually decrease them more?

 

[Kovalev27]

I said it a year ago but we shouldn’t even be talking about trading a right dman until Lundkvist is here and shows he’s ready and or Fox needs to get paid. That’s still 2 years from now. You sign DeAngelo and you play him just like you did last season.

Lundkvist isn’t even signed yet hasn’t played a second of NA hockey and won’t till at the earliest late next year.

I think tony signs a two or 3 year bridge deal like Werenski and Mcavoy did

 

[Leetch3]

Buch is a goner and mika has great chemistry with kreider

no respect for an american hero

 

[Irishguy42]

Isn't Janmark basically a winger now?

Granlund too

 

[Mikos87]

Realistically over the next 12-18 months, I think the teams major trade pieces are going to be
- Carolina's 2020 1st
- DeAngelo
- Buchnevich
- Strome
- Georgiev (?)

I'm not including Lias to this group because he's at best a throw in at this point.

There's potential with this group to really address the holes and fill out the roster if Gorton gets it right

- 2021/22 Picks
- Buchnevich
- Strome
- Georgiev
- Gauthier
- Lemeuix
- Lias
- Barron
- Hajek
- Henriksson
- 2018-2020 drafted prospects

Plenty of assets to leverage.

 

[Trxjw]

Don't forget that it's really difficult to make trades in this league. There may be more players moving around due to the flat cap but I wouldn't expect the Rangers to make 3 big moves to address all of their needs in one off-season. One significant trade and then a smaller one might even be asking for a lot.

 

[Leetch3]

I said it a year ago but we shouldn’t even be talking about trading a right dman until Lundkvist is here and shows he’s ready and or Fox needs to get paid. That’s still 2 years from now. You sign DeAngelo and you play him just like you did last season.

Lundkvist isn’t even signed yet hasn’t played a second of NA hockey and won’t till at the earliest late next year.

I think tony signs a two or 3 year bridge deal like Werenski and Mcavoy did

you don't move him just for the sake of moving him and there is no rush...but if you can get the young 2C or young LHD that we need thats a different story. but i'm not moving him for prospects. i want a sure thing back right now

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Realistically over the next 12-18 months, I think the teams major trade pieces are going to be
- Carolina's 2020 1st
- DeAngelo
- Buchnevich
- Strome
- Georgiev (?)

I'm not including Lias to this group because he's at best a throw in at this point.

There's potential with this group to really address the holes and fill out the roster if Gorton gets it right

Agreed.

I can see Kravstov and any D prospect not named Miller or Lundkvist (or maybe Jones) on that list as well, but they slot in below the names you've got listed.

 

[Anthony5967]

How about Buch for Hintz? Forget DeAngelo.