Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

Our fan base is notoriously impatient lol. Even last year people were questioning whether a 18 year old Kakko was going to Be a bust which is ridiculous lol

There is a difference between impatience and dealing from an organizational position of strength to adress a position of need, which is what was being suggested.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Agreed. Look I was t a big fan of the Trouba contract but he isnt going anywhere and even if we could move him it would make us look dumb for signing him to a big contract then trading him right away

The Rangers knew what they were getting when they traded for him. He was on the radar for quite a while. They were willing to pay the price to get him and keep him. The speculation is simply foolishness.

 

[NYRangers0723]

There is a difference between impatience and dealing from an organizational position of strength to adress a position of need, which is what was being suggested

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Nah our fan base is impatient and I think most would agree lol. Hell I get impatient sometimes in all honesty

 

[NYRangers0723]

The Rangers knew what they were getting when they traded for him. He was on the radar for quite a while. They were willing to pay the price to get him and keep him. The speculation is simply foolishness.

Agreed. Look I know there are some who hate that we resigned Kreider but the fact is he is gonna be here for at least a few years so making trade proposals 5 months after resigning him is silly

 

[NYR Viper]

I wonder if the Rangers and Panthers would swap centers in Andersson for Borgstrom. He is a NHL player who just needs a shot. He would't be a true solution but could probably settle in as a 3C right now. His college career was phenomenal.

For people complaining about Strome, I have brought this up before, the guy should be a wing. Moving him from center to RW on the opposite side of Panarin solves most of his flaws as the center position can get him into trouble.

Panarin-Chytil-Strome
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Lafreniere-Borgstrom-Fast/Gauthier
Lemieux-Howden-Gauthier/Fast

this again assumes Buch is traded for LD help

 

[eco's bones]

@eco's bones just because I can’t quote you from the other thread...

I am 100% in agreement in that I LOVE Brady Tkachuk...really both Tkachuk brothers. I’d do a lot to get either. I have said it multiple times on this board before, multiple times, that those are the type of players you win with. They are hard to find. Ones that can play with snarl, an edge, and also back it up with talent and ability. So I mean yeah like I said it would be an extremely tough call. And thats also because I like Byfield and Stutzle.

I know we wouldnt get this offer but man, if OTT offered Tkachuk and the #3 + #5, then I think that would be a done deal for me. The thing about Lafreniere is he is ready now. He has that same edge to his game, when needed, to go out and do what it takes to win a championship. I think he will be way more effective than Kakko was in year one. And while he is not McDavid or Crosby, he is right in the tier below imo, which will always be better than Tkachuk and Byfield/Stutle, who I think all will be very good players but I think Laf is more of a guarantee.

Again I dont think OTT would offer/accept that deal but thats what it would take. And why they may consider it is because they already have a lot of assets, Laf is french canadian and can be the center of their franchise for the next decade. Lot of hype around him. Tkachuk is great to watch, but fans will flock to see Laf play. Thats the only way we get those 3 pieces in a trade.

The Tkachuk's are shift disturbers par excellence. The difference between them and someone like Brendan Lemieux is pretty much night and day. They're much more talented and they get under skins much more effectively and they don't do a lot of stupid shit doing it. Every shift a player takes against either one of them has the potential to turn into a nightmare shift for that player. It's like every time I watch the Rangers playing Calgary or Ottawa--I end up thinking I should be hating these guys for all the shit they've just done but it's hard not to laugh too at how effective they were going about it and if they know they've gotten to you they clown it up even more. These guys have fun and they were born to be hockey players and if you want a team that is hard to play against they are the guys to get.

I'm pretty sure that Lafreniere is going to be better than either but games involving the Tkachuk's are almost always going to entertaining and fun to watch and especially I would think if they're on your team. That's also a reason to hang on to Alexis. We saw what Svechnikov could do in the play in--Lafreniere I would guess is going to be better than Svechnikov and he looks ready to go right from day one.

I do have questions about Byfield--he got dogged for the WJC but he's also just about the youngest player in the draft and he's got great size and can really motor. I also wonder about Stutzle--Germany's still a bit off the usual beaten path but the DEL isn't a joke and he's already thriving there. The 3OA and Tkachuk or the 3OA + 5OA + maybe something else would be the only two possible proposals I think might come our way that would be worth thinking about. If the Rangers actually think that someone like Stutzle or Byfield could be their No. 1 then they probably should think about trading the pick. If Lafreniere is clearly their top guy though--probably best to stick with him.

 

[Blueblood9]

What are the odds and opinion on an offer sheet on say Barzal, Cirelli or Dubois?

 

[Ghost of jas]

The Tkachuk's are shift disturbers par excellence. The difference between them and someone like Brendan Lemieux is pretty much night and day. They're much more talented and they get under skins much more effectively and they don't do a lot of stupid shit doing it. Every shift a player takes against either one of them has the potential to turn into a nightmare shift for that player. It's like every time I watch the Rangers playing Calgary or Ottawa--I end up thinking I should be hating these guys for all the shit they've just done but it's hard not to laugh too at how effective they were going about it and if they know they've gotten to you they clown it up even more. These guys have fun and they were born to be hockey players and if you want a team that is hard to play against they are the guys to get.

I'm pretty sure that Lafreniere is going to be better than either but games involving the Tkachuk's are almost always going to entertaining and fun to watch and especially I would think if they're on your team. That's also a reason to hang on to Alexis. We saw what Svechnikov could do in the play in--Lafreniere I would guess is going to be better than Svechnikov and he looks ready to go right from day one.

I do have questions about Byfield--he got dogged for the WJC but he's also just about the youngest player in the draft and he's got great size and can really motor. I also wonder about Stutzle--Germany's still a bit off the usual beaten path but the DEL isn't a joke and he's already thriving there. The 3OA and Tkachuk or the 3OA + 5OA + maybe something else would be the only two possible proposals I think might come our way that would be worth thinking about. If the Rangers actually think that someone like Stutzle or Byfield could be their No. 1 then they probably should think about trading the pick. If Lafreniere is clearly their top guy though--probably best to stick with him.

Listening to JD, I think it's almost a given that they don't. He's far and away the best player in this draft, and frankly, he'll likely end up the best 1OA since McDavid. He brings the total package, which includes leadership. He's the next captain. Frankly, and this going sound like heresy, but watching his highlights, I get a Messier vibe, in a lot of different ways, including the possibility of him actually being a center at the NHL level.

 

[Trxjw]

I'll be curious to see the market on DeAngelo. I could see some teams being skeptical that he's really a 60+ point defensemen, but the pedigree is there for Gorton to negotiate. It's not like he came out of nowhere.

Still don't see a 1-for-1 out there but he could probably fill a couple of organizational holes if you took a package instead.

 

[Allan92]

What are the odds and opinion on an offer sheet on say Barzal, Cirelli or Dubois?

Islanders and Jackets would definitely match whatever the offer sheet was.

Cirelli is interesting, what would the compensation be for TBL?

 

[Leetch3]

There is a difference between impatience and dealing from an organizational position of strength to adress a position of need, which is what was being suggested.

that is a completely different discussion though...but it was presented as is it time to move on from him...if a deal makes the team better then great. but its not time for anything when a prospect is 20

 

[Leetch3]

What are the odds and opinion on an offer sheet on say Barzal, Cirelli or Dubois?

from us? the odds are 0.000%

 

[surlysailor]

that is a completely different discussion though...but it was presented as is it time to move on from him...if a deal makes the team better then great. but its not time for anything when a prospect is 20

No it wasn't. I said as much as I like Krav is time to move him for a similar C prospect. I didn't say he was a bust. I even said that unless NYR decide to move Buch if Krav was ready. I meant it as is it time to move him because we have our wings set.

 

[Ghost of jas]

No it wasn't. I said as much as I like Krav is time to move him for a similar C prospect. I didn't say he was a bust. I even said that unless NYR decide to move Buch if Krav was ready. I meant it as is it time to move him because we have our wings set.

But, the right side isn't set. Buchnevich isn't a guarantee to be here next, nor is Fast.

 

[surlysailor]

But, the right side isn't set. Buchnevich isn't a guarantee to be here next, nor is Fast.

Hence why I said unless they move Buch. Maybe it's on me for not explaining properly but in the near future our top 6 wings seem set unless Buch is moved. We have Panarin, Kakko, Kreider, Laffy, Buch. In the long term is it better to possibly have Kravstov blocked <unless Buch is moved> or move him for a potential 2C like the ones I suggested. I never once said just deal him away for anything. I listed some (what I think) are pretty good C prospects.

 

[Kovalev27]

The Rangers knew what they were getting when they traded for him. He was on the radar for quite a while. They were willing to pay the price to get him and keep him. The speculation is simply foolishness.

do people not watch this guy play? I really don’t get it. Do they expect guys playing 25 mins a night in all situations not to get beat or turn pucks over ever? Guy was our best player against Carolina when we had to play big boy hockey. That’s why he’s here.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I'll be curious to see the market on DeAngelo. I could see some teams being skeptical that he's really a 60+ point defensemen, but the pedigree is there for Gorton to negotiate. It's not like he came out of nowhere.

Still don't see a 1-for-1 out there but he could probably fill a couple of organizational holes if you took a package instead.

Good points. A lot should hinge on ADA's ask. If its reasonable, teams could be more inclined to gamble on him since established right dmen have a hefty ticket.

I keep coming back to Winnipeg oddly enough. I can't remember if it was 31 Thoughts or elsewhere but the speculation is the jets would look for help on the right side with transition to replace buff. I don't know their organization enough to identify a good match, but I can see a conversation happening. Chevy could be feeling some heat, he's had the spot a while and they stalled out after a ton of hype. Too bad Laine is like the furthest thing from a need here, there could have been a Hall type deal.

 

[NYSPORTS]

What are the odds and opinion on an offer sheet on say Barzal, Cirelli or Dubois?

i think those wanting to go shopping in the free agent market need to recognize the Rangers will lose a Zibby or Fox or Kappo, etc if they tie up tomorrows cap space today.

Zibby might get Panarin money

We have to anticipate Fox getting a ton. We have a young goalie due for a raise in a few years. Several defensemen. No question, Kakko will get a lot and the the whole equation changed with the excitement of landing Laf who will likely get paid more than all of the above years down the line.

Besides the stars, and there are a lot of them, it’s penny pinching time for the rest. Unless you want to lose the stars.

 

[Trxjw]

Listening to JD, I think it's almost a given that they don't. He's far and away the best player in this draft, and frankly, he'll likely end up the best 1OA since McDavid. He brings the total package, which includes leadership. He's the next captain. Frankly, and this going sound like heresy, but watching his highlights, I get a Messier vibe, in a lot of different ways, including the possibility of him actually being a center at the NHL level.

I usually don't get too far into the idea of moving players from the wing to the middle, but if there was a guy who could do it, it would be Lafreniere. Sort of similar to the way that Giroux worked his way into the middle after a couple years in the league. There are a number of similarities between the two.

 

[The New Russian Five]

K'Andre being raved about in bubble camp and him spending time with Kreider this offseason, maybe he really pushes for a spot out of training camp

Glass and Krebs are obviously both expansion draft exempt

Moving ADA in a deal there would open up a defense spot for the expansion draft; I'd be looking at Brodin or Hampus Lindholm

Laf Zib Buch
Panarin Glass Kakko
Kreider Chytil Kravstov/Fast
Lemieux Barron Gauthier

Lindholm Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Miller Smith/Lundkvist

Where did you read that K'Andre is spending time with Kreider this offseason?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I wonder if the Rangers and Panthers would swap centers in Andersson for Borgstrom. He is a NHL player who just needs a shot. He would't be a true solution but could probably settle in as a 3C right now. His college career was phenomenal.

For people complaining about Strome, I have brought this up before, the guy should be a wing. Moving him from center to RW on the opposite side of Panarin solves most of his flaws as the center position can get him into trouble.

Panarin-Chytil-Strome
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Lafreniere-Borgstrom-Fast/Gauthier
Lemieux-Howden-Gauthier/Fast

this again assumes Buch is traded for LD help

Not sure about Strome to wing, or even Strome being on the team next year, but that kind of Andersson <--> Borgstrom deal is exactly the sort of thing they should be exploring.

 

[Trxjw]

Good points. A lot should hinge on ADA's ask. If its reasonable, teams could be more inclined to gamble on him since established right dmen have a hefty ticket.

I keep coming back to Winnipeg oddly enough. I can't remember if it was 31 Thoughts or elsewhere but the speculation is the jets would look for help on the right side with transition to replace buff. I don't know their organization enough to identify a good match, but I can see a conversation happening. Chevy could be feeling some heat, he's had the spot a while and they stalled out after a ton of hype. Too bad Laine is like the furthest thing from a need here, there could have been a Hall type deal.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if none of us pegged the team he eventually went to. It'll probably end up being a team that makes no sense until we see what they do after picking up DeAngelo.

I could see Ehlers being a really nice addition to this team if the Jets were interested.

 

[NYR Viper]

i think those wanting to go shopping in the free agent market need to recognize the Rangers will lose a Zibby or Fox or Kappo, etc if they tie up tomorrows cap space today.

Zibby might get Panarin money

We have to anticipate Fox getting a ton. We have a young goalie due for a raise in a few years. Several defensemen. No question, Kakko will get a lot and the the whole equation changed with the excitement of landing Laf who will likely get paid more than all of the above years down the line.

Besides the stars, and there are a lot of them, it’s penny pinching time for the rest. Unless you want to lose the stars.

The Rangers have the ability to look at 2 year deals for pretty much anyone, including taking on guys via trade before that's a 'problem'

 

[eco's bones]

Listening to JD, I think it's almost a given that they don't. He's far and away the best player in this draft, and frankly, he'll likely end up the best 1OA since McDavid. He brings the total package, which includes leadership. He's the next captain. Frankly, and this going sound like heresy, but watching his highlights, I get a Messier vibe, in a lot of different ways, including the possibility of him actually being a center at the NHL level.

FWIW I think Kakko was a huge get last year and I expect he'll have at least a somewhat better season coming up but Lafreniere easily eclipses him. If Lafreniere had been available last year he would have gone before either Hughes or Kakko.

We're heading for Stanley Cup contention---the things that are in our way are our young guys need to get more experienced and we need to deepen our depth--get a for real solid 4th line and a solid bottom pairing. I think a bit of added grit would help too. Some teams are going to target Lafreniere and Kakko and it might be helpful to find a for real tough guy who can play. I'm really wondering how guys like Barron, Richards or Khodorenko might fit in than someone like Gauthier and I'm looking at guys like DiGiuseppe and McKegg as just temporary placeholders---the sooner you can replace them with guys who can muck and grind and fit into those niches of necessary but not always appreciated jobs that make hockey teams successful--the better. Sometimes more talented guys come up short because they won't do these kinds of things and they can't beat out their competition higher up the food chain. A guy like Kravtsov is going to have to get stronger and round out his game and still produce if he's going to be a right wing for us because his competition is going to be Buchnevich and Kakko (and Fast if we keep him) and Gauthier's got the same issue. You can't get away with soft and not dependable defensively on the bottom lines.

Right now though we have serious top end talent and that points to championships down the road.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I usually don't get too far into the idea of moving players from the wing to the middle, but if there was a guy who could do it, it would be Lafreniere. Sort of similar to the way that Giroux worked his way into the middle after a couple years in the league. There are a number of similarities between the two.

Thats an interesting comparison and certainly possible. I think most people would agree Laf has a MUCH better chance of pulling this off than high profile Ws like Hall or Laine.

However all of that said I think the org should really build as if he is a LW long term. He’s instantly the most important player in this organization which is not something I say lightly given the pieces they have...you have to build around what maximizes his potential as the #1 priority in my book.