Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[TheBloodyNine]

Friedman giving the Rangers a lot of love on 31 Thoughts today. Nice to hear.
He also says Henrik playing for another team is realistic.
Friedge feels Henrik still desires being a Number One. Which rings true. I assumed Hank’s top priority was being a career Ranger. But of course, his finger is more on-the-pulse than mine.

Was this on the podcast or the blog?

 

[romba]

This is flat out stupid. Period.

let's tank for eternity and make sure we have the worst line combinations so we don't have to pay anybody more than 2 mil ever. sweet.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Strome was on pace for around 70 points this season. He's 27 years old, lets face it, he's been good for the Rangers. What benefit do we get out of replacing him? Do we expect a 2nd line center to score more than 70 points? Or are we afraid that he's been lucky so far with the Rangers? Are there other holes in his game that make him a bad choice going forward? It's a serious question, I know having Ryan Strome as your 2nd line center doesn't seem like the sexy choice, but he's been effective.

I think the answer to this has always been dependant on what hes looking for on a new contract. Keeping him makes a lot of sense, its just if hes looking for term and bigger $ its probably a wrap

 

[Leetch3]

Friedman giving the Rangers a lot of love on 31 Thoughts today. Nice to hear.
He also says Henrik playing for another team is realistic.
Friedge feels Henrik still desires being a Number One. Which rings true. I assumed Hank’s top priority was being a career Ranger. But of course, his finger is more on-the-pulse than mine.

article or podcast?

 

[NYR Viper]

Which would you prefer to keep, assuming they play predominantly at RW:

Strome
4 years @ $5m per season

Buch
1 year @ $3.25m
4 years @ $5m per season

I have a hard time with this because while I prefer Buch as the all-around player, I do value the fact that Strome, in a pinch, could easily fill in as a center has needed which as value.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Do you guys expect greg mcgeg to be on the team next year ?

I don't , he didn't stand out in any way really.

 

[Leetch3]

Do you guys expect greg mcgeg to be on the team next year ?

do I want him on the team next year? not really...but given the cap crunch I will not at all be surprised to see McKegg and PDG resigned for cheap contracts to be depth/spare forwards. depending on the rest of the forwards, we could try to slip them thru waivers so they can be veteran leaders in hartford until we have injuries but we could use the depth.

 

[Leetch3]

Which would you prefer to keep, assuming they play predominantly at RW:

Strome
4 years @ $5m per season

Buch
1 year @ $3.25m
4 years @ $5m per season

I have a hard time with this because while I prefer Buch as the all-around player, I do value the fact that Strome, in a pinch, could easily fill in as a center has needed which as value.

for the same $$ and both playing RW, this is a no brainer for me. Buch all the way

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Which would you prefer to keep, assuming they play predominantly at RW:

Strome
4 years @ $5m per season

Buch
1 year @ $3.25m
4 years @ $5m per season

I have a hard time with this because while I prefer Buch as the all-around player, I do value the fact that Strome, in a pinch, could easily fill in as a center has needed which as value.

Either one of the Buch Scenarios.

No Brainer. 4x5 for Strome would be a disaster.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Which would you prefer to keep, assuming they play predominantly at RW:

Strome
4 years @ $5m per season

Buch
1 year @ $3.25m
4 years @ $5m per season

I have a hard time with this because while I prefer Buch as the all-around player, I do value the fact that Strome, in a pinch, could easily fill in as a center has needed which as value.

Honestly i dont see either here long term. I see both here on short deals though as we transition players into the lineup. Lafrieniere basically pushed a winger out of our top 6 with Kreider likely moving to RW as he has done at times in the past. So having Buch on the 3rd line making 5 million wouldn't be smart, thats likely Gauthier or Kravtsovs spot for much cheaper. Strome is a really good stop gap for when Chytil, Barron, Hendrickson, maybe someone we haven't drafted or traded for yet , fills thats spot.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Which would you prefer to keep, assuming they play predominantly at RW:

Strome
4 years @ $5m per season

Buch
1 year @ $3.25m
4 years @ $5m per season

I have a hard time with this because while I prefer Buch as the all-around player, I do value the fact that Strome, in a pinch, could easily fill in as a center has needed which as value.

Frankly I dont think you can make any of those deals. If Zib plays anything similar to what he did this year your probably talking a 4 million $ raise. If we look at what Tkachuk and Rantanen got coming off their ELC I think its entirely possible Kakko could be looking at +7million if he takes off, Fox, TDA, the list goes on. With the young kids we have now, unfortunately I think you may have to part ways anything over a year or 2 with these 2 dudes

 

[B17 Apricots]

Honestly i dont see either here long term. I see both here on short deals though as we transition players into the lineup. Lafrieniere basically pushed a winger out of our top 6 with Kreider likely moving to RW as he has done at times in the past. So having Buch on the 3rd line making 5 million wouldn't be smart, thats likely Gauthier or Kravtsovs spot for much cheaper. Strome is a really good stop gap for when Chytil, Barron, Hendrickson, maybe someone we haven't drafted or traded for yet , fills thats spot.

Beat me to it

 

[LaffyTaffy]

For those asking about the 31 Thoughts, it was the podcast. Article did not have much on the Rangers outside of Florida being interested in Drury.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Miller might be ready from day 1.

That would a nice benefit, still need some cheap depth in case, guys we can bury

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Problem is Staal and Smith are stop gaps for 1 more year so unless one goes can they really add another ?

Would a guy like Edmundson sign knowing he’s likely exposed in expansion ?

Trying to squeeze out and improve upon Smith and Staal now. In my scenario, we pay OTT to swap Smith with Reilly saving us 2.85 in cap And buy out Staal. There’s a decent bunch of LD out there who could be had for 750k-1.5 mil saving space and be a temporary upgrade over Smith/Staal.

i think Edmundson is gonna cost 3-3.5, we don’t have that kind of scratch unless ADA goes or Strome and we don’t replace him

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

This board is real good at looking into the store windows of other teams and saying “I’ll take one of those and one of those”. Trades don’t work that way.

The way I was taught was to start by asking “how can we help each other”. The first trade I ever made in the minor leagues started with that conversation and within days I got a very surprising answer, one I didn’t expect. The other team wanted to help a specific area and they identified a player we didn't have a place for. I then asked for help in a specific area. I was offered the exact the player we had targeted.

You don’t call Buffalo and say what do you want for Eichel?

Who did you get for Reggie Dunlap?

 

[NYR Viper]

For the record, my vote would be to trade both Strome and Buch over the next coupl of off-seasons

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Friedman giving the Rangers a lot of love on 31 Thoughts today. Nice to hear.
He also says Henrik playing for another team is realistic.
Friedge feels Henrik still desires being a Number One. Which rings true. I assumed Hank’s top priority was being a career Ranger. But of course, his finger is more on-the-pulse than mine.

Imagine Hank in a Devils uniform, for me it would be like being Alex in Clockwork Orange hooked up by the eyelids to the conditioning machine

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

For the record, my vote would be to trade both Strome and Buch over the next coupl of off-seasons

That vote has already passed, I think Strome doesn’t see 2021 as a NYR and Buch will be traded as an arb RFA - fancy stat peeps are gonna miss Buch and Bern will do his Mathew McConaghy bongo dance

 

[The New Russian Five]

Strome was on pace for around 70 points this season. He's 27 years old, lets face it, he's been good for the Rangers. What benefit do we get out of replacing him? Do we expect a 2nd line center to score more than 70 points? Or are we afraid that he's been lucky so far with the Rangers? Are there other holes in his game that make him a bad choice going forward? It's a serious question, I know having Ryan Strome as your 2nd line center doesn't seem like the sexy choice, but he's been effective.

I agree with this and I am on the side of keeping Strome short term as well. My issue is that he isn't strong defensively and has a knack for taking stupid penalties quite frequently. Long term I would want someone with a better 2-way game in that position.

Also if the rangers can shore up their LD situation, it makes the defensive minded 2C less of an issue. So LD is really what should be attempted to be fixed first.

 

[Graves94]

In hearing JD over the past few days, I keep hearing how he was patient in building both the Blues and Blue Jackets. What I realized when he was talking about both those teams, is the similarity in both structure and style that the play. Those are both meat and potatoes teams, that are big and fast, not the most skilled, but very aggressive on the forecheck.
I believe we currently have a finesse team, with not much bite or sandpaper. I'm 100% convinced and to @Edge's point, about future trades that will see more skill traded for "harder to play against players". The trade proposals I see posted here are all similar to the types of players we currently have...

 

[Kovalev27]

"It's time for #22 on the 22nd. Join us Wednesday, January 22, 2042 as the Rangers retire the jersey of former captain, and three time Stanley Cup winner, Alex Lafreniere!"

that day will be my 60th birthday

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I agree with this and I am on the side of keeping Strome short term as well. My issue is that he isn't strong defensively and has a knack for taking stupid penalties quite frequently. Long term I would want someone with a better 2-way game in that position.

Also if the rangers can shore up their LD situation, it makes the defensive minded 2C less of an issue. So LD is really what should be attempted to be fixed first.

Playing with strong defensive wingers helped him this year as well. Not sure if fast is the answer longterm for RW on that line, but hopefully if it's Kakko he can pick up some of the slack as well.

 

[Kovalev27]

By the way I’m watching the US Canada WJC game and it was a very sleepy start for Canada they fell behind 1-0 early. Lafreniere comes out and throws 3 monster checks on one shift which ignited the team two more Canadians follow his lead and throw big hits. And Canada is now pressuring for 10 mins. A lot of it generated by Lafreniere who must have set up 3 chances at least. One of which was absolutely walking KAndre and setting up a guy in the slot. Probably 4 chances actually.

spencer knight some Really big saves and then late US scores 2-0.

18 min mark Lafreniere first shift of the second period he buries an American into his own bench.
Canada scores 2 mins later. 2-1.

we all know how this game ends Lafreniere puts up the game winner and 2 assists but that physical play is out of the messier ovechkin playbook of putting your mark on the game and setting the tone. Tremendous player.

 

[Vitto79]

Trying to squeeze out and improve upon Smith and Staal now. In my scenario, we pay OTT to swap Smith with Reilly saving us 2.85 in cap And buy out Staal. There’s a decent bunch of LD out there who could be had for 750k-1.5 mil saving space and be a temporary upgrade over Smith/Staal.

i think Edmundson is gonna cost 3-3.5, we don’t have that kind of scratch unless ADA goes or Strome and we don’t replace him

I think everyone is gonna hit up Ottawa lol

Gonna have to pay someone to take Smith IMO so adding an Andersson may be needed ... get a later pick back the Sens have tons