Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[NYR Viper]

Isn't Janmark basically a winger now?

I was trying to find a site that showed the position he played in per game. Does anyone know where that info is?

Hockeydb states he is a center

 

[haveandare]

I said it a year ago but we shouldn’t even be talking about trading a right dman until Lundkvist is here and shows he’s ready and or Fox needs to get paid. That’s still 2 years from now. You sign DeAngelo and you play him just like you did last season.

Lundkvist isn’t even signed yet hasn’t played a second of NA hockey and won’t till at the earliest late next year.

I think tony signs a two or 3 year bridge deal like Werenski and Mcavoy did

Imo we need to get over this handedness thing. Didnt we just get slapped around by a team with like 5 or 6 guys the same handedness? Teams make this work, I don’t get why it’s such an issue for us

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Don't forget that it's really difficult to make trades in this league. There may be more players moving around due to the flat cap but I wouldn't expect the Rangers to make 3 big moves to address all of their needs in one off-season. One significant trade and then a smaller one might even be asking for a lot.

You know, I can't decide if this is dead-on... or if in the world of COVID and the flat cap it's all on it's head and we'll see tons of movement.

I mean, IIRC, in the NBA after they signed their new deal and teams went out and gorged themselves on big contracts in the first year and then the cap barely climbed on a much smaller YoY basis in the years to follow didn't we see tons of movement?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Where did you read that K'Andre is spending time with Kreider this offseason?

He is living with Kreider according to some Instagram posts, I think

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Preach.

In reality, you and I both know the reason so many dislike him: for all the roster building jujitsu people try to arrange our current stable of D to keep them all, in the backs of their minds they know that the team is not going to pay three RD long term – and indeed, even if the salary cap wasn't a problem, given their handedness they simply could never maximize the value of all three. Therefore, those who are particularly in love with ADA (ironically, some who are the quickest to point out those who dislike his politics love him as much as they do because he represents an avatar for their own views, IMO) want Trouba gone because they know Fox isn't going anywhere. It's not a realistic position, but it's not that hard to understand.

Eh, would you not say they maximized the value of all 3 last season? To me ADA was so spectacularly productive it is hard for me to envision a scenario where cutting bait with him leads to maximized value on the whole.

I guess sure, Trouba and to a lesser extent Fox values are not being maximized with PP1 time. But it seems like backwards thinking to think they need to cut bait with the guy who was again just incredibly successful there, to an extent I haven’t seen in decades, to maximize other past and potential contracts. Just doesn’t really make logical sense to me.

I don’t see how trying to keep ADA on PP1, evenly distributing ES minutes between pairings, and trotting out a rotating cast of defensive LDs for the next few years doesn’t make more sense.

 

[Kovalev27]

no respect for an american hero

lol

I mean it is also about money. We can’t pay another winger 5 plus mil with what we have now. Can’t do it. Kreider brings a lot more to the table with his powerplay work as you know. Buchy was borderline gone the minute we signed Kreider. Now with Lafreniere here? That’s the final nail

 

[The New Russian Five]

He is living with Kreider according to some Instagram posts, I think

That's awesome. Kreider's workout regimen is one of the best in the league.

 

[Kovalev27]

you don't move him just for the sake of moving him and there is no rush...but if you can get the young 2C or young LHD that we need thats a different story. but i'm not moving him for prospects. i want a sure thing back right now

I think I’d trade him for Nylander thats about it. And yes I put Nylander right at center ice. I like the kid a lot

 

[Blueblood9]

i honestly think that gorton is going to try to move up into the 10 to 15 range before any other trade is made.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Here's an interesting one:

What about ADA for Hintz + Delandrea

I highly doubt they'd deal Hintz for ADA straight up.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I think it would be wise to kick the Tony decision down the road at least a year. Unless of course some team is willing to make a good trade for him now

I think next year asking Lundkvist to play sheltered 3rd pairing minutes isn't crazy, considering his current trajectory.

And worst comes to worst if he isn't ready you go sign a cheap stopgap. Fox and Trouba are going to be do the heavy lifting on that side anyways

 

[bleedblue94]

I know this will be dismissed by many, but Chytil needs to win face offs consistently if he is going to center a top 6 line. You can't afford to cede possession constantly when your most dangerous offensive player is on the ice. Faceoff wins isn't a sexy stat on a message board but the whole analytical shift is rooted in possession. The past season matched his career 38.8 win %.

This by itself will lead him to be a winger if he cant improve on it within the next year or two

 

[Kovalev27]

Just at the end of the day you don’t have to worry about trading tony until Fox needs To get paid. Unless someone blows you away there’s no reason to do it. You pay him a bridge contract right now. Most young guys are looking for them right now unless it’s ridiculous money being offered. Otherwise they’re taking the shorter back loaded bridge deal

 

[Synergy27]

Are non playoff teams allowed to make trades right now?

 

[bleedblue94]

He needs to be better than 38.8, but face offs are really only important situationally and Chytil isn't going to be taking those draws. On the whole, they're incredibly overrated.

You can get a puck back after you lose a face off. Malkin is like a career 40% guy in the FO circle and while I won't dare compare the 2 of them, it hasn't really hurt him at all.

But who will be though? If Chytil is groomed to be a center and accept a poor fo % it would be because his offense develops and he fills the #2c slot, but then you have zib and he as potentially bad faceoff men. How do you put them out for o zone starts and then consistently lose possession on draws and nullify the advantage of two great offensive lines (zib/pan) when neither can establish possession on a draw? I think you can live with one weaker center of the two, but not both. Geno has sid as the other top center for draws and sid is one of the best. FOW is not just a chytil thing, it is a team wide issue.

 

[Ola]

Why do people keep talking about Cirelli ZERO chance he’s traded

maybe we could OS him but that’s the closest we could get

I wouldn't swipe away the offer sheet option at all.

Before last summer some of the reporters with a lot of ins kept talking about how Gorton was 100% prepared to go the offer sheet route and do something nuts. Many of us had a very hard time believing that talk. But then Gorton really did go out and do something nuts by trading for Trouba and signing Panarin as a UFA. Were that talk true? I like the offer sheet option this year more than ever. Some teams will be pressed hard by the cap as well as internal budgets. You can go up to 8m per for a player and still only give up one 1st round pick. I don't think we can afford to give up top money to another player. But the mid-range guys? Cirelli and Sergachev are two options.

 

[East Coast Bias]

The thing about knowing how valuable ELCs and cheap contracts are now with the coming cap situation is that everyone else in the league knows it too........

Without fans in the seats and the cap situation, I think it's going to be hard to make big moves. This is already a conservative league as is.

 

[Leetch3]

Are non playoff teams allowed to make trades right now?

yes

 

[LokiDog]

But who will be though? If Chytil is groomed to be a center and accept a poor fo % it would be because his offense develops and he fills the #2c slot, but then you have zib and he as potentially bad faceoff men. How do you put them out for o zone starts and then consistently lose possession on draws and nullify the advantage of two great offensive lines (zib/pan) when neither can establish possession on a draw? I think you can live with one weaker center of the two, but not both. Geno has sid as the other top center for draws and sid is one of the best. FOW is not just a chytil thing, it is a team wide issue.

Mika is 50% on draws for his career which isn’t bad. Crosby is 52.7%

 

[Mikos87]

I feel pretty good about Miller playing 40-60 games in the NHL next season, even those figures could be conservative if he stays healthy. Guys with his ability and profile are really effective players in the NHL. Great size, reach, speed, no fear, and enjoys shutting guys down. Those players are very effective, especially if they can cover a lot of ice with closing speed.

I'll give you the Tyler Myers story-> Dude is 6'8" right? Well his best year was his rookie year?

You know why? When you are that big, and you can skate, it's very intimidating at high speeds and along the walls. The body and mind, for most humans will reflexively avoid the pain. So you get more easy dump-ins and turnovers. Myers got a lot of respect because that size/speed quotient has a natural WTF moment for a lot of players. Once the league found out he's soft on the inside, ie this was a kid who only had 1 fighting major in the WHL in 4 years... he wasn't the same player. No one was afraid of him because they knew he wasn't going to cream guys on the boards.

Because if he did, he'd have to fight, and Myers doesn't want to drop the gloves. So a guy who has better size, skill, and skating ability than Colton Parayko is thought of, and is far less effective because he's a nice guy.

 

[Savant]

Imo we need to get over this handedness thing. Didnt we just get slapped around by a team with like 5 or 6 guys the same handedness? Teams make this work, I don’t get why it’s such an issue for us

Carolina has a system that mitigates this. The Rangers do not have a system at all.

 

[Trxjw]

You know, I can't decide if this is dead-on... or if in the world of COVID and the flat cap it's all on it's head and we'll see tons of movement.

I mean, IIRC, in the NBA after they signed their new deal and teams went out and gorged themselves on big contracts in the first year and then the cap barely climbed on a much smaller YoY basis in the years to follow didn't we see tons of movement?

I could see it going either way. I think most teams would prefer to make trades instead of resorting to buyouts; especially some of those smaller markets who are really hurting from the recession. That being said, how many teams are going to want to add payroll in this economy and before a season that probably has no fan attendance? Hell, the season may not even start at all if most of the players opt out of another bubble situation.

 

[Raspewtin]

The whole "all bad players are whipping boys Q.Q" choir really never give it up

No shortage of haters, once someone is black listed they never let it go.

A bad player getting 16 mins a night playing in all situations and being a part of the team's largest roster problem (a non-NHL bottom 6) definitely tends to be harped on and I'm really sorry that it upsets you.

Howden got blamed for Anderson not being in the lineup

Howden was pointed out as a massive double standard with regards to treatment with Andersson and it's absolutely a valid discussion.

and they lazily blame him for everything wrong with the team and focus on any little thing he does wrong,

yup I can vividly remember all three GDTs being full of relentless Howden hate and not literally every single player getting ripped in a series where we were outplayed top to bottom

same with Strome

lol

same with Pionk(who was blackballed because people thought D'Angelo should get his ice time)

He was "blackballed" because he was bad at literally everything except skating.

If those two left someone else will inadvertently take ice time from someone ranger fan and we will have another target. Its silly

So you agree? The Rangers should stop playing bad players?

 

[haveandare]

Carolina has a system that mitigates this. The Rangers do not have a system at all.

How so?

 

[SA16]

Hintz has 118 games of being at terrible 5v5 scorer and one good playoffs. Why do we want him for something big? Because he's a fast skater?