Dr. Ogrodnick
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God willing BPA at 11 is a center.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVI
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God willing BPA at 11 is a center.
Heres a run down on how the fall out from the draft lottery will play here:
Pens win lottery: League rigs another draft for Pittsburgh, incessant bitching between now and forever (though that happens already)
Non Ranger team wins lottery: Rangers were never going to win the lottery, WeNeverHaveGoodLuck (conveniently forgetting what happened last year)
Rangers win lottery: Universe blows up.
Pens win lottery: League rigs another draft for Pittsburgh, incessant bitching between now and forever (though that happens already)
Non Ranger team wins lottery: Rangers were never going to win the lottery, WeNeverHaveGoodLuck (conveniently forgetting what happened last year)
Rangers win lottery: Universe blows up.
The Rangers were supposedly interested in Nylander this season with names like Kravtsov and Skjei being thrown about. Not sure if that's still in the cards or not. ADA would be an upgrade on what they were getting out of Barrie, plus he adds some bite to their lineup that they were missing. As great as Rielly is, Tony would be an upgrade as a PPQB as well.
For the Rangers, if they think he's a full-time center he could be a really nice upgrade on Strome. If they think he's a winger, he'd be a really nice upgrade on Buchnevich. Either way he would probably free up a body to be moved up front for help elsewhere. However, he certainly doesn't make our forward group bigger or tougher, which JD has said he wants to do. Nylander is far from a north/south guy as well.
Looking at it from 10000ft the Rangers have what the Leafs need: RHD and a goalie. The Leafs have things the Rangers could use: Skilled scoring depth of the right age with manageable contracts. They could also potentially send Campbell back our way which would give us a decent back-up that could be exposed to Seattle. The biggest hurdle is whether or not Tony is the right kind of D for Dubas and I'm guessing no.
That all being said, if the Rangers get some cap relief in the next few weeks, maybe Nylander becomes a guy they go after with futures. Perhaps the Leafs would see additional value in clearing cap space to sign Pietrangelo.
For the Rangers, if they think he's a full-time center he could be a really nice upgrade on Strome. If they think he's a winger, he'd be a really nice upgrade on Buchnevich. Either way he would probably free up a body to be moved up front for help elsewhere. However, he certainly doesn't make our forward group bigger or tougher, which JD has said he wants to do. Nylander is far from a north/south guy as well.
Looking at it from 10000ft the Rangers have what the Leafs need: RHD and a goalie. The Leafs have things the Rangers could use: Skilled scoring depth of the right age with manageable contracts. They could also potentially send Campbell back our way which would give us a decent back-up that could be exposed to Seattle. The biggest hurdle is whether or not Tony is the right kind of D for Dubas and I'm guessing no.
That all being said, if the Rangers get some cap relief in the next few weeks, maybe Nylander becomes a guy they go after with futures. Perhaps the Leafs would see additional value in clearing cap space to sign Pietrangelo.
Raspewtin
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if the pens win the lottery I might not watch the NHL next season. I will be that mad
pld459666
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I get the reasons for NOT adding Nylander, but he immediately slots in as our 2nd best winger and top RW.
Nylander at center made two mistakes last night because he doesn't play center. To me- as skilled as he is- is a do not touch imo.
Not because he's not a talented player, but because I do not think he's a difference maker that helps a team win. I do not see him as a guy worth paying a premium for.
Not because he's not a talented player, but because I do not think he's a difference maker that helps a team win. I do not see him as a guy worth paying a premium for.
Who are the north/south talented impact players that the Rangers could potentially target? As you said guys you can win with. Because that is very much what we were lacking against Carolina. Guys that can go in below the goal line and win battles to create puck possession when the opposing team is clogging the neutral zone.
Big defensemen who cover a lot of ground make a difference in the playoffs. Soft skilled defensemen who can't win board battles are not useful in playoff hockey.
At the same time, big defensemen who can't play the puck were worse. Yes Staal was putrid. But so was Smith. Same held true for a bunch of defensemen who were not good enough for the teams bounced in the playoffs.
At the same time, big defensemen who can't play the puck were worse. Yes Staal was putrid. But so was Smith. Same held true for a bunch of defensemen who were not good enough for the teams bounced in the playoffs.
NYRFANMANI
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Nylander has a bargain contract that somehow people have been duped into thinking is an overpay because he held out.
LaffyTaffy
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I do not understand the hate on Willy, he would be amazing on Zibby's wing. Allows us to move Buch for an LD. And I am biased towards Russian players because of my nationality, I would still take Nylander on this team and move Buch to help our LD. I would then turn that around and move Tony and Strome for an upgrade at 2C and a 2nd round pick.
Fair criticism but aren't those difference makers supposed to be Zibanejad, Panarin, and hopefully Kakko?
Watching the series Nylander made a handful of gaffs while at center but he also generated a lot of opportunities from both the wing and center that his teammates weren't able to capitalize on. I think the pile-on to run him out of town is firmly rooted in his holdout as opposed to his actual performance.
This off-season I think they need to shore up some experience and intelligence with their coaching staff, and get guys who can play a role in the NHL. I do not think there is a player available that the Rangers should pay a 1 for 1 deal for with the young players who did well. At least not this off-season.
That said- here's what I would target to improve the team- at-least my early thoughts.
Coaching:
Get three new assistants- none that are learning the league for the first time, aren't Quinn's or some roster player's boy, and actually knows how teams play in the league. In other words- fill the job description that's bucks the trends of nepotism that you saw with how this last staff was assigned.
The quality of hockey and culture improved, but it's nowhere good enough. You do that, you will see improvements. Too many mistakes when changing lines, or not knowing how the other team plays.
A lack of preparation is not good enough. Just how dumbfounded and confused the players sounded after game 3 should tell you just how smart and well prepared the Rangers were for Carolina. Some of these guys are purportedly very intelligent... how were they so surprised at how badly they were beaten?
Players:
Imo they don't have enough depth, and can use some upgrades. But it will take maybe 4 transactions periods (TDLs, Draft, Free Agency). I'm good with Strome getting extended, then traded a la Brassard for Zibs.
I do not see a vacuous hole in the top 6 like how some of the guys here keep repeating the same point over and over again. Strome put up Barzal like numbers this year behind Zibs, and played well in all situations. He wasn't a problem at all.
But guys who can't do their jobs? Yeah that's where you focus:
Kreider-Zibs-Buch
Bread-Stome-xxx
xxx-Chytil-Kakko
Digi/Lemeuix-Howdie-Gauthier
xxx-Trouba
Lindy-Fox
xxx-DeAngelo
Hajek
You need a forward line that can check and shutdown other teams. That's 3 players. You get that- the Rangers take a step imo. You need a legitimate 20+ top 4 LHD. You need a LHD that can athletically not make an embarrassment of himself for another year's check.
The Rangers have deep pockets, they can find a role. Would be great to see Staal and Smith retire or take the Kevin Klein path.
I would keep Digi and Howden. But am very open to moving Gauthier and Lemeuix if they need a longer learning curve or if they can't play the way you want and need a bottom six unit play.
Kakko will take a top 6 spot. But I would also like to see Buch get packaged for some consistency.
I disagree, I see a very skilled player but one that fits in like Alex Semin. Not to the point where the player is completely indifferent, but when Semin was in WSH he was a great offensive talent that provided secondary scoring 5v5 and played on the top PP in the regular season.
I can understand thinking he's not a guy you build your offense around but Alex Semin? I think that's extreme. But again, this team needs secondary scoring and getting a guy who can put up 70 points, is only 24, and is locked up on a pretty solid contract for 4 more years is pretty darn good secondary scoring.
NYR Viper
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The lacking of a useful 4th line or role players throughout the line-up really hurt the team in the 'playoffs'. @Mikos87 nailed it above. They need to find, probably, 2 veteran players who relish that role of playing a hard-nosed game and shutting down the other teams best players. I've mentioned Brian Boyle before but it's that type of guy I'm talking about.
With that is going to come with pushing a player or two both up in the line-up or out of the line-up. The Rangers and Gorton have done an admirable job of adding quality young players like Gauthier, Howden, Lemieux, Kakko, Chytil and even Kravtsov. the issue with having those guys be in your bottom-6 is that practically none of them can be relied on for shut-down minutes. One or two of these guys will need to push their way up the line-up or there will need to be moves made.
With that is going to come with pushing a player or two both up in the line-up or out of the line-up. The Rangers and Gorton have done an admirable job of adding quality young players like Gauthier, Howden, Lemieux, Kakko, Chytil and even Kravtsov. the issue with having those guys be in your bottom-6 is that practically none of them can be relied on for shut-down minutes. One or two of these guys will need to push their way up the line-up or there will need to be moves made.
I would love to see Nylander slotted behind Mika I think he’d be a tremendous 2C. He’s also a kid that’s only going to get better.
prob the only guy mentioned I’d be willing to move Tony for. Although they leaves you with a massive hole at RD Lundkvist hasn’t signed could be 2 years away realistically still.
prob the only guy mentioned I’d be willing to move Tony for. Although they leaves you with a massive hole at RD Lundkvist hasn’t signed could be 2 years away realistically still.
Have to believe if Toronto move either Nylander or Marner, they will try to sign Pietrangelo.
DutchShamrock
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To break up the monotony, I will push the narrative that Bettman finally realized the benefit of big market teams getting the stars, and he rigged the draft for us heading into the TV deals.
It's not that I believe it, but it will be so much fun seeing the other fanbases losing their minds over the conspiracy theory.
Alex Semin was close to if not a PPG player for like 7 years. Didn't have a two-way game. Played 5v5 on a 2nd unit, and reaped off of a powerplay that featured elite playmakers and one of the world's best goal scorers.
It's a very very similar set-up to Nylander. If you disassociate the perceptions around Semin, and look at the situation and productivity. Nylander has been producing in the same role.
Zemgus Girgensons over Brian Boyle.
None of this matters if they don't change the way they play though. You can have the best defensive specialists in the world but if you continue to employ a passive system, you're toast.
DutchShamrock
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Nylander is elite at d zone exit and o zone entry. It would be an interesting swap because Wm could actually pick up the slack left by ADA.
I am a big Nylander fan, but I'm not sure if that trade is just moving the deck chairs. I guess it depends on the other moves to see how the team as a whole comes together. On one hand, the idea to move ADA is rooted in not paying him big money with the RD depth we have. But is it wise to swap in another $8m wing? But if you can make a separate move and fill another hole, maybe it makes a ton of sense.
By the way I’m liking our chance at that 2nd first rounder being in the top 24 with Carolina drawing Boston in the first round. I have to think Boston will be ready to go when the games matter. Too good a team.
could be 23 if realistically the isles or Columbus get thru round 1. Going to be a solid pick there. We have to go forward with both picks. Have to
could be 23 if realistically the isles or Columbus get thru round 1. Going to be a solid pick there. We have to go forward with both picks. Have to
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