Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVI

[Thirty One]

If the Leafs were smart they’d be calling up Anaheim to see what it’s gonna take to get Manson outta there

Think they've made that call lots this year. Anaheim loves him.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Doesn't he play more wing than center? Plus, i think we should try to get someone more up and coming and more affordable

He can do either or. I don't think we'd give up what Toronto would want anyway.

 

[mike14]

So trade an asset for Nylander and then trade another asset to make up for the one we traded for Nylander. I wouldn't do it. Find our own 2c

Well yeah, that's what you do with assets in hockey; you either use them or trade them.
If (and I'm sold on it being a good idea) you were to get Nylander you could look at keeping Buch while playing Nylander as a centre, lose a different asset in Strome and gain another asset in cap space from not signing Strome

 

[Rangers394]

Well yeah, that's what you do with assets in hockey; you either use them or trade them.
If (and I'm sold on it being a good idea) you were to get Nylander you could look at keeping Buch while playing Nylander as a centre, lose a different asset in Strome and gain another asset in cap space from not signing Strome

I know how it works, just not sure it makes us that much better

 

[duhmetreE]

I hear the Nylander proposals coming

Can he Center full-time?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I know how it works, just not sure it makes us that much better

And that’s strictly because you’re underrating Nylander. He’s produced at a 60PT pace at 21, 22, and 24 years of age. Only year he didn’t was last season because he held out for more money and wasn’t game-ready when he came back.

He makes Strome expendable as a 2C, or Buch as our 1RW. He’s better than both players — quite easily. And younger. And signed for 4 more years.

I hear the Nylander proposals coming

Can he Center full-time?

Imo, he can better than Strome. I think he plays best at RW, but he’s versatile enough where he’s played all three forward positions.

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ADA would be missed, but Nylander adds a great dimension to our team and really gives us a couple of options in our top-6, while making Buch or Strome expendable for a LD or long term quality 3C.

 

[Rangers394]

And that’s strictly because you’re underrating Nylander. He’s produced at a 60PT pace at 21, 22, and 24 years of age. Only year he didn’t was last season because he held out for more money and wasn’t game-ready when he came back.

He makes Strome expendable as a 2C, or Buch as our 1RW. He’s better than both players — quite easily. And younger. And signed for 4 more years.



Imo, he can better than Strome. I think he plays best at RW, but he’s versatile enough where he’s played all three forward positions.

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Panarin-Chytil-Kakko

ADA would be missed, but Nylander adds a great dimension to our team and really gives us a couple of options in our top-6, while making Buch or Strome expendable for a LD or long term quality 3C.

He isn't even a full time center. I know he played there but i don't feel comfortable with him being there full time.

 

[gravey9]

Making the playoffs does not boost young talent that is not ready; time and practice does. Yes eventually playoff experience matters, but it matters when the team is, as a whole, ready to win as a group. Then getting that experience matters.

This team is no where close to ready. It does not have enough talent in the pipeline at forward yet. Getting 3-5 games of playoff experience for 19 year old Kaapo Kakko is nearly meaningless, as he’s not ready to absorb it. Same as it is for other future cornerstones like K’Andre Miller, Vitali Kravtsov, and Nils Lundkvist who did not even make the team. On the flip side the experience also is not particularly relevant for guys who have played in and won series’ before like Kreider, Zibanejad and Panarin.

Who exactly needs this experience so badly? Fox? DeAngelo? They can’t pick up this experience next year or the year after?

Way more important than experience is obtaining talent. And if you ever need proof of this, it’s that a team of aging journeymen are so often bad whereas a team of young kids scoring tons of points are so often good. The experience is necessary for the talent, but you have to have the talent first, and then the experience is a natural acquisition afterwards. Meanwhile it’s no use trying to turn McKegg or Fogarty into experienced contributors: you’ll still get crap.

Get the talent. This team should have kept that in the forefront of its mind this trade deadline. I don’t think signing Kreider sinks them but they have to be smarter and more creative because they need to parlay some of their remaining redundant assets into futures.

I don't agree with this.

Getting to play at a level you're not ready for is incredibly valuable for kids as it will motivate them to realize just how much work is required to be a winner and impact player in the NHL. It also helps management evaluate the team. The system. Everything. Too often regular season games can be won on the backs of your 2 or 3 best players. It's easier to mask deficiencies. This was a great experience for guys who had little or no playoff experience. And on top of that, we are still getting a top 11 pick - which is pretty amazing. Furthermore, Shesty got a sense of what it's going to be like -- he got run quite a few times in his one game. And the rangers D wasn't nearly big or physical enough to prevent it. Or punish the Canes afterwards. This is another thing going forward that this team will need to address. All these things are ten times more clear in a series like this.

Can a playoff atmosphere like this hurt confidence? Sure, I guess. But i think it also removes some of that youthful cocky BS. Now they know for real that whatever they've done in the past to prep themselves to compete at a higher level isn't nearly cutting it.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

He isn't even a full time center. I know he played there but i don't feel comfortable with him being there full time.

Bro, you didn’t even know he played Center till an hour ago lol.

Put it this way — he shits on Strome. offensively and as a hockey player. He might not be the perfect 2C, but you pretty much know what you’re getting with him, but with the potential for a lot more.

I swear, if Nylander was a Ranger you guys would have no interest In trading him given the current position were in. This kid caps off our top-6 and improved our Top-9 as a group because of the depth he adds.

If you can realistically get him for ADA, it’s a no brained. You take that trade and then start adjusting the rest of your roster.

 

[Rangers394]

Bro, you didn’t even know he played Center till an hour ago lol.

Put it this way — he shits on Strome. offensively and as a hockey player. He might not be the perfect 2C, but you pretty much know what you’re getting with him, but with the potential for a lot more.

I swear, if Nylander was a Ranger you guys would have no interest In trading him given the current position were in. This kid caps off our top-6 and improved our Top-9 as a group because of the depth he adds.

If you can realistically get him for ADA, it’s a no brained. You take that trade and then start adjusting the rest of your roster.

I knew he played center but Toronto plays him at wing so why would i even think about putting him at center when he doesn't play there most of the time? He is much better a wing than center so it would be a waste to put him there. Plus the salary cap can also be an issue coming up so we need to be careful there too.

If Toronto won tonight, Nylander wouldn't even be mentioned.

 

[BBKers]

Nylander is good at center. Not great. But in Toronto they had to move him to wing. We need some meat up front. Use Strome, Lias, Georgiev and Buch (or some combination of their assets accumulated) to get beefy winger and maybe a stay at home D (I know there was interest in MacDermid in LA but there are more guys). Within a year at least. Plus getting a pick or two. Smith for Grabner makes sense but may not be necessary. Sign Khudobin in net. Look at UFA guys like Carson Soucy or Brenden Dillon At LD. Buyout Staal. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[B17 Apricots]

Im not really into moving TDA but if hes the odd man out send him to Philly for Ghost & Frost

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Making the playoffs does not boost young talent that is not ready; time and practice does. Yes eventually playoff experience matters, but it matters when the team is, as a whole, ready to win as a group. Then getting that experience matters.

This team is no where close to ready. It does not have enough talent in the pipeline at forward yet. Getting 3-5 games of playoff experience for 19 year old Kaapo Kakko is nearly meaningless, as he’s not ready to absorb it. Same as it is for other future cornerstones like K’Andre Miller, Vitali Kravtsov, and Nils Lundkvist who did not even make the team. On the flip side the experience also is not particularly relevant for guys who have played in and won series’ before like Kreider, Zibanejad and Panarin.

Who exactly needs this experience so badly? Fox? DeAngelo? They can’t pick up this experience next year or the year after?

Way more important than experience is obtaining talent. And if you ever need proof of this, it’s that a team of aging journeymen are so often bad whereas a team of young kids scoring tons of points are so often good. The experience is necessary for the talent, but you have to have the talent first, and then the experience is a natural acquisition afterwards. Meanwhile it’s no use trying to turn McKegg or Fogarty into experienced contributors: you’ll still get crap.

Get the talent. This team should have kept that in the forefront of its mind this trade deadline. I don’t think signing Kreider sinks them but they have to be smarter and more creative because they need to parlay some of their remaining redundant assets into futures.

Anyone that ever played the game knows that the best motivation to work to be better is the sting of losing an important series. There is nothing like it, no amount of practice can motivate like a loss in playoffs. This was the best case scenario for us, we played a playoff like series and never lost our draft spot. Tell me guys like Zibanajad, Kreider, Fox, Deangelo, Panarin, Chytil etc won't bust their ass off this off-season and ill call you a liar, they will 100% be in better shape come the next season. These losses hurt and they motivate and teach

 

[Raspewtin]

I'm prepared to be really annoyed with whoever wins the lottery today

 

[mas0764]

Anyone that ever played the game knows that the best motivation to work to be better is the sting of losing an important series. There is nothing like it, no amount of practice can motivate like a loss in playoffs. This was the best case scenario for us, we played a playoff like series and never lost our draft spot. Tell me guys like Zibanajad, Kreider, Fox, Deangelo, Panarin, Chytil etc won't bust their ass off this off-season and ill call you a liar, they will 100% be in better shape come the next season. These losses hurt and they motivate and teach

That doesn’t change what I said. Of course the sting of losing a series is huge motivation, especially for a veteran who has already been around the block a couple times and is ready for more. But motivation and “experience,” are different arguments, and what keeps being stated is that the experience is more valuable for this Rangers team than more talent, and I wholeheartedly disagree. Gimme two more top-6 caliber forwards out of this draft and then next year I’ll agree a bit more.

You can’t throw a non-ready player into a playoff series and expect that to make him ready for the NHL the next year. The experience only truly matters to players who are already ready for that stage. There is a reason a guy like Kravtsov wasn’t played - getting run over in the playoffs is overwhelming to a kid, not beneficial.

Like I said, for ready-to-excel guys like Fox it’s probably pretty valuable, but he’s also a bit older and a bit more mentally and physically ready to compete at a high level from all the development he’s already done at college.

But a guy like Kakko probably didn’t really deserve to be at the NHL level this year and the same probably goes for Chytil, Howden, and others. They are pressed into NHL service because the Rangers lack bodies and they can get the same reps with the big club, but at the end of the day, those kids are still learning mostly. It’s like throwing calculus at a second grader.

Meanwhile guys like Kreider and Zibanejad might be motivated after a stinging loss but the reason for the loss wasn’t that they didn’t know what it takes to win in the playoffs. They already knew what it takes. Ironically their problem was .... lack of supporting talent. We need more.

 

[Vitto79]

Let’s hope the depth chart on the wing improved greatly today

 

[rangers1314]

I'm prepared to be really annoyed with whoever wins the lottery today

Enjoy Winnipeg, Alexis.

 

[rangers1314]

https://nypost.com/2020/08/09/rangers-nhl-draft-options-if-they-lose-alexis-lafreniere-lottery/

Larry says NYR would look forward at 10-11

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In the 10-11 range, candidates would include Wisconsin sophomore center Dylan Holloway, OHL Ottawa right wing Jack Quinn, WHL Portland forward Seth Jarvis, Finnish center Anton Lundell, and, if he should slip, OHL Saginaw center Cole Perfetti. This is not an all-inclusive list. It would seem unlikely the team would select a defenseman.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

https://nypost.com/2020/08/09/rangers-nhl-draft-options-if-they-lose-alexis-lafreniere-lottery/

Larry says NYR would look forward at 10-11

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He's speculating.

 

[rangers1314]

He's speculating.

Of course.

 

[Doriva]

Nylander is super-underrated, oozes skill, does lots of nice work around the net.
Even if he's not a natural C, putting him next to Panarin could be gold for us, doubt Toronto would entertain the idea but it's not gonna stop me fantasising about it for the next few hours...

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

I'm prepared to be really annoyed with whoever wins the lottery today

As soon as the pens were eliminated I think we all knew where that pick will end up.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

With the info that @Edge and @BBKers provide on a regular basis here it becomes more and more evident that Larry speculates out of his ass.

 

[zukeisgone]

Panthers need a GM....we send Drury plus for Barkov

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

https://nypost.com/2020/08/09/rangers-nhl-draft-options-if-they-lose-alexis-lafreniere-lottery/

Larry says NYR would look forward at 10-11

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Larry is just googling NHL mock drafts and picking random names, like he does every year. He has no clue. He has no sources. He's just a blogger who gets paid to write his dribble