Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVI

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The team that couldn't win a cup

The team that couldn't win a cup never had a dynamic duo like the one we have now or the deep farm that currently exists. It's going to get deeper in October.

They've actually got the hard part laid down already. For how long? I have no f***ing clue, but its there right now. A few bad games after 4 months off doesn't change that.

Filling in the bottom six and LD is actually the easy part. As long as they don't do something stupid, they'll be fine.
 
The team that couldn't win a cup never had a dynamic duo like the one we have now or the deep farm that currently exists. It's going to get deeper in October.

They've actually got the hard part laid down already. For how long? I have no f***ing clue, but its there right now. A few bad games after 4 months off doesn't change that.

Filling in the bottom six and LD is actually the easy part. As long as they don't do something stupid, they'll be fine.
Oh i agree, we do have a lot of pieces in place. I just don't trust them with the not doing something stupid part.
 
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The more I look at it, unless Lundqvist retires and gives us some cap maneuverability, the Rangers probably take a step back, or at the very least won't be much better than last season. Even if they are able to trade Smith at full cap hit they will still be right up against the cap. Going to need big improvements from Kakko/Kravtsov.

Something like this seems realistic

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I feel like we will have Staal on this team in 2030. Just can't get rid of that contract
 
Instead of being patient and trying to build a team that can have one long window, it feels like they're trying to build one that maybe has two small windows. But that's just my gut feeling and I'm sure there's plenty of people who will disagree with me

It does feel like that to me. It’s like they decided when Panarin came aboard that they wanted to do both.

Which was not my idea for signing Panarin. I wanted him but with a final strip down and tank this year. Would have included Kreider and Fast.

The gear up would be beginning now.
 
They added Panarin at 11 million a year and Trouba got 8 million. Kreider was also resigned to a long term deal. It's a rebuild but at the same time, teams don't make those deals if they are doing a full rebuild, it that makes sense.

i want to compete as soon as possible but i also want to keep adding prospects and do it the right way. I don't want a 2-3 year window, i want a 7-8 year window for once.

I would have made those moves for those two players to be your rocks for the kids to lean on, not to try to surround them with Kreiders to make the playoffs.
 
At least this time around, we have a legit #1 center and a legit #1 winger. I think Trouba can work as our 1d if we get him a good partner. We have a lot of pieces, just hope they continue adding the right ones.
 
ADA for Nylander? Ye or neigh

Excellent question. I really like Nylander's game but am often left wanting more. Also like ADA's game but I'm not sure he'll ever play a 'steady' defensive game.
Nylander's contract is also a consideration, would be much easier to say 'yes' if we'd moved on from CK
 
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Totally see that side. I wasn't for giving Trouba that deal and was 50/50 on moving Kreider. Didn't think we were getting Panarin.
All I'm saying is that if we properly develop our prospects (we supposedly have had a top 5 prospect pool in the league the last few years) then we should be a very very competitive team the next decade. Definitely not for handing out anymore huge deals to free agents and even some of our own guys (strome).
I know not everyone here believes in developing a winning culture but I don't wanna become the Sabres or even Oilers for that matter. Just drafting high every year while watching teams draft much lower and get just as much out of their picks if not more.

The Rangers fan base seems to be the only one on planet earth that so consistently frets that 3-4 seasons at the bottom is “turning into the Oilers or Sabres.”

The Rangers are not now and never will be in danger of turning into complete loser franchises like that, our darkest depths were still only like a 7 year run from 97-04 of incompetence. We will remain frustratingly mediocre; that’s the danger here, and it could happen again if we don’t properly finish this rebuild with more elite talent that you usually find in the top 5-10 of drafts.
 
Definite yea from me. Love Nylander’s game. Like his contract too. It would mean more moves but I’m OK with that.

That’s about the bare minimum I’d accept for ADA but I’d consider it.
 
Nylander from Toronto i'm assuming? If so, i wouldn't do it. Nylander isn't the guy we should be adding and where is he going to play? How much cap do we need to invest in wingers?
 
The Rangers fan base seems to be the only one on planet earth that so consistently frets that 3-4 seasons at the bottom is “turning into the Oilers or Sabres.”

The Rangers are not now and never will be in danger of turning into complete loser franchises like that, our darkest depths were still only like a 7 year run from 97-04 of incompetence. We will remain frustratingly mediocre; that’s the danger here, and it could happen again if we don’t properly finish this rebuild with more elite talent that you usually find in the top 5-10 of drafts.

No fretting yet lol. but in a few years if guys like Kakko, Chytil, kravtsov don't pan out for whatever reason then we should be a bit.
I'm just as excited as anyone for top 10 picks but so far except for Kakko (which was a gimme) let's be honest Lias is a disaster and Kravtsov is still a big question mark.
I was just playing devils advocate that making the playoffs can be a huge boost in the development to the young players that are already on the roster.
 
The Rangers fan base seems to be the only one on planet earth that so consistently frets that 3-4 seasons at the bottom is “turning into the Oilers or Sabres.”

The Rangers are not now and never will be in danger of turning into complete loser franchises like that, our darkest depths were still only like a 7 year run from 97-04 of incompetence. We will remain frustratingly mediocre; that’s the danger here, and it could happen again if we don’t properly finish this rebuild with more elite talent that you usually find in the top 5-10 of drafts.
Nobody thinks we will turn into Buffalo or Edmonton but we aren't exactly successful ourselves and this team has a history of doing dumb shit too. I doubt it gets to that point but people want this team to succeed. Need to build a culture here and make sure it echoes throughout the entire organization.
 
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Making the playoffs does not boost young talent that is not ready; time and practice does. Yes eventually playoff experience matters, but it matters when the team is, as a whole, ready to win as a group. Then getting that experience matters.

This team is no where close to ready. It does not have enough talent in the pipeline at forward yet. Getting 3-5 games of playoff experience for 19 year old Kaapo Kakko is nearly meaningless, as he’s not ready to absorb it. Same as it is for other future cornerstones like K’Andre Miller, Vitali Kravtsov, and Nils Lundkvist who did not even make the team. On the flip side the experience also is not particularly relevant for guys who have played in and won series’ before like Kreider, Zibanejad and Panarin.

Who exactly needs this experience so badly? Fox? DeAngelo? They can’t pick up this experience next year or the year after?

Way more important than experience is obtaining talent. And if you ever need proof of this, it’s that a team of aging journeymen are so often bad whereas a team of young kids scoring tons of points are so often good. The experience is necessary for the talent, but you have to have the talent first, and then the experience is a natural acquisition afterwards. Meanwhile it’s no use trying to turn McKegg or Fogarty into experienced contributors: you’ll still get crap.

Get the talent. This team should have kept that in the forefront of its mind this trade deadline. I don’t think signing Kreider sinks them but they have to be smarter and more creative because they need to parlay some of their remaining redundant assets into futures.
 
Nylander from Toronto i'm assuming? If so, i wouldn't do it. Nylander isn't the guy we should be adding and where is he going to play? How much cap do we need to invest in wingers?
Nah we’re gonna trade our 24 year old 50 point defenseman for shitty ass Alex Nylander

yes it’s Willy Nylander from the leafs
 
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