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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVI

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Pawnee Rangers said:
And they both have full NMC's.
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don't the NMC kick in sometime in the offseason though? Usually it's July 1st but I don't know if there is technical phrasing in the contract such as "the day free agency opens" which would give us time to trade them. I know it's unlikely. I wasn't happy with the Trouba signing precisely for this situation I thought it would put us in but I also accept the chance of Trouba getting traded is less than 1%
 
Rutherford also said they're not trading Malkin or Letang

So what he's expecting someone to want Hornqvist's crappy contract? Or maybe Jack Johnson? lol
 
Pawnee Rangers said:
I think that goes without say. But there's a world of difference between giving him an opportunity to prove he can do it and just handing him a spot. Because the sooner they find out, the better off they'll be. Imagine not having to go out and pay top dollar for a free agent or having to use assets to trade for one. That money can go towards signing guys, those assets can go towards upgrading LD. If Chytil proves he can play that position in two years time, their top 6 will be deadly and they'll have tons of flexibility to upgrade the team elsewhere.
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So let him show it that he is ready. Go out and outperform the competition in camp. Go out and knock the door down. Go out and show that you can dominate on a lower line.

BTW, I am not advocating signing a UFA or making a trade for a center. I completely agree that money will have been better spent for an LD. The best thing in the world would be for Chytil to show he is ready.
 
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n8 said:
don't the NMC kick in sometime in the offseason though? Usually it's July 1st but I don't know if there is technical phrasing in the contract such as "the day free agency opens" which would give us time to trade them. I know it's unlikely. I wasn't happy with the Trouba signing precisely for this situation I thought it would put us in but I also accept the chance of Trouba getting traded is less than 1%
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That's a good point, I'm not sure when they kick in but didn't they pay signing bonuses already? People here know more about that stuff than I do.

Still seems unlikely, they'd trade either after just signing them. I think management envisions both guys as playing big roles in the next few years. Regardless, they shouldn't move Trouba. You can't have your entire RD comprised of smallish/undersized guys. And they shouldn't be looking at any big ticket FAs either. I think Kakko and Lafreniere cemented that. Zib's contract is looming, and some of these kids are going to need 2nd contracts. For better or worse, and I think better, we're looking at the team that's going to compete for Cups. LD is still a few years away but goal, forwards, and RD are all here. I'm sure they'll be some supplemental signings and minor depth acquisitions/trades but the critical components are in place. Just a matter of how long it takes for it all to come together.
 
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Leetch3 said:
we also have zero cap space to dish out an offer sheet...we should be worried about teams trying to pouch ADA not the other way around. and for those with short memories trading away picks for 4 straight years is how we got into a spot where we needed to blow up the team and rebuild. you don't 3 years later start trading picks away in bunches
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There's a lot to unpack here that's wrong or not thought out beyond the surface layer, but I'll leave it to you to figure out.
 
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True Blue said:
So let him show it that he is ready. Go out and outperform the competition in camp. Go out and knock the door down. Go out and show that you can dominate on a lower line.

BTW, I am not advocating signing a UFA or making a trade for a center. I completely agree that money will have been better spent for an LD. The best thing in the world would be for Chytil to show he is ready.
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I totally agree. I'm not saying hand him the job on day one of camp. And if he starts the season on the third line centering Lafreniere and Kravtsov (or even Kakko), I'd be cool with that too. My bigger point was, the sooner they find out if he can do the job, the better for everyone.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
I totally agree. I'm not saying hand him the job on day one of camp. And if he starts the season on the third line centering Lafreniere and Kravtsov (or even Kakko), I'd be cool with that too. My bigger point was, the sooner they find out if he can do the job, the better for everyone.
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Couldn't agree more
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
I totally agree. I'm not saying hand him the job on day one of camp. And if he starts the season on the third line centering Lafreniere and Kravtsov (or even Kakko), I'd be cool with that too. My bigger point was, the sooner they find out if he can do the job, the better for everyone.
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This is why i don't want to trade for a C. Let's see if Chytil can take the spot, then we can look for a good two way 3c instead
 
Michal said:
Correct me if i am wrong but according cap friendly Kreider has M-NTC (with 11 team no trade list).
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I'm pretty sure the first four years of the contract has a full NMC. The last three he submits a list of 15 teams he won't go to. I just don't see him or Trouba waiving to leave this team. They're just about to take off. They both signed extensions to stay, why would anyone want to leave?
 
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Michal said:
Correct me if i am wrong but according cap friendly Kreider has M-NTC (with 11 team no trade list).
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Full NMC the first 4 years, transitions to a MNTC/NMC with 15-team no-trade for final 3 years

EDIT: You were looking at his current deal, which is always listed as the top deal on CF. The upcoming deal is right below. So yes, right now, until the official offseason begins, he has a 11-team no-trade on his current contract.
 
Irishguy42 said:
Full NMC the first 4 years, transitions to a MNTC/NMC with 15-team no-trade for final 3 years

EDIT: You were looking at his current deal, which is always listed as the top deal on CF. The upcoming deal is right below. So yes, right now, until the official offseason begins, he has a 11-team no-trade on his current contract.
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Ok, but I think the first year of the NMC starts at the beginning 2020-21.
 
Michal said:
Ok, but I think the first year of the NMC starts at the beginning 2020-21.
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Yes. Starting with the 2020 offseason (whenever the hell that officially starts at this point) and going through to the end of the 2023-24 season, he has a full NMC.
 
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TheBloodyNine said:
Kreider. Is not. Being Traded.
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Agreed. Good to see somebody with sense. Eventually he probably will be traded but they arent trading a guy they just resigned. If they had any doubts about it they would have traded him 6 months ago. His contract is really not bad at all. I’ve seen people compare him to Staal which is hilarious considering Kreider is one of the most physically conditioned players and Staal has never been that even in his prime before the injuries
 
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NYRangers0723 said:
Agreed. Good to see somebody with sense. Eventually he probably will be traded but they are threading a guy they just resigned. If they had any doubts about it they would have traded him 6 months ago. His contract is really not bad at all. I’ve seen people compare him to Staal which is hilarious considering Kreider is one of the most physically conditioned players and Staal has never been that even in his prime before the injuries
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Kreider and Panarin in our top 6 next year allows Laf to get better matchups playing and learning the NHL game on the third line. Then eventually, Kreider goes to the third line and there's that depth we've been missing.
 
Irishguy42 said:
Full NMC the first 4 years, transitions to a MNTC/NMC with 15-team no-trade for final 3 years

EDIT: You were looking at his current deal, which is always listed as the top deal on CF. The upcoming deal is right below. So yes, right now, until the official offseason begins, he has a 11-team no-trade on his current contract.
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but something seems off. He probably took less money than he would have gotten on the open market and forewent choosing where he wants to play as an UFA, so he's bound to the contract he signed with the Rangers? Is there a wrinkle you're missing?
 
TheBloodyNine said:
Kreider and Panarin in our top 6 next year allows Laf to get better matchups playing and learning the NHL game on the third line. Then eventually, Kreider goes to the third line and there's that depth we've been missing.
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Agreed. Having 3 strong lines is a weapon and also we don’t have to rush Laf or even Kakko to be top guys right away
 
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