Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLV

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Talbot wasnt traded as a backup, he was traded as a goalie who was ready to be a #1. I think if anyone is expecting more for Georgiev they will be disappointed it will be of similar value.

Georgiev would be an upgrade over several starters in this league.

 

[haohmaru]

It's not really 'retiring' if he goes to be a guaranteed starter in Frolunda for two years.

I could certainly see that decision if he doesn't want to be the backup next year. Still, more likely Georgiev gets dealt.

It's retiring from the Rangers which is what we're talking about. The OP said he'd "retire" and go play in Sweden so that was pretty clear from the beginning.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Why? They have so many picks, 2 in the top 5 and 3 in the 1st round. I think they can spare a couple of 2nds for a good young goalie, or are they gonna run with Anderson and Nilsson forever?

why? B/c they have limited talent. This is a great draft for Ottawa to stock up. May one #2 for Georgiev but two? I don’t see it.

 

[nyr2k2]

why? B/c they have limited talent. This is a great draft for Ottawa to stock up. May one #2 for Georgiev but two? I don’t see it.

Well, your boy Francesa was adamant no one would give up two firsts for Jamal Adams, signed off, and then it happened the next day. Hopefully this works out like that, too.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Well, your boy Francesa was adamant no one would give up two firsts for Jamal Adams, signed off, and then it happened the next day. Hopefully this works out like that, too.

Hahahaha. Man, I wish I knew about this Francesa gem before the trade happened. That's great. That reminds me of Larry Brooks saying the Rangers are not trading Stepan mere hours before he was.

And yeah, Ottawa will take a potential starting goalie in Georgiev over two 2nd round picks in a draft where they already have 3 picks on Friday night

 

[rangers1314]

Rangers may prefer one 2nd this year and another next year. Irregardless, Ottawa has a shitload of draft picks and plenty of ammunition to make a trade. Whatever the final package, this match seems to make too much sense to not happen. The only thing that could get In the way is if one of the other goaltender deficient teams (Detroit, San Jose, Chicago etc.) wanted to jump into the bidding.

I could also see Ottawa looking to take a few of those 2nds and try to move down from 21 (the islander pick) to grab Askarov if hes past the top 10 or so.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I could also see Ottawa looking to take a few of those 2nds and try to move down from 21 (the islander pick) to grab Askarov if hes past the top 10 or so.

You mean try to trade up?

 

[rangers1314]

You mean try to trade up?

Yes sorry, cut my some slack it's early over here.

 

[mas0764]

Georgiev would be an upgrade over several starters in this league.

Im still hopeful that AG can be packaged to move up and get an elite prospect.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Georgiev would be an upgrade over several starters in this league.

For sure but he isn't the only goalie that might be available. I still believe he will be moved in a bigger deal possibly with Anderson if he is moved. I dont think he has enough value on his own to get a return that would be substantial.

 

[Raspewtin]

Im still hopeful that AG can be packaged to move up and get an elite prospect.

when has a goalie ever been traded for an elite prospect in any fashion

I know you said packaged but AG is not moving the needle on returns in any scenario imo.

 

[nyr2k2]

Georgiev has a lot of natural talent, but I think he really needs to work on his focus, staying sharp night-in, night-out, and not getting flustered when things don't go his way early. It's possible that starting on a consistent basis (being the #1) would help with that, but it's also possible that he's a bit mercurial on the ice and and is an average/slightly-above average goalie moving forward.

The talent is tempting, but I can't imagine too many teams see a sure-fire starting goalie in him right now. He still needs work.

 

[NYR Viper]

I still believe a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year (maybe with a conditional late round pick if he plays 50+ games next year) makes sense.

Something like:

To OTT:
Alexander Georgiev

To NYR:
The highest of CLB, DAL, NYI 2nd rounders in 2020 + CLB 2nd '21 + Conditional 5th '20 (turns into 7th if AG doesn't play 50 games in 2020)

 

[JimmyG89]

If the goal is to move Georgiev to the Senators and get something valuable in return, I'd gladly take one 2nd round pick if Ottawa takes Smith off our hands. Opens up much needed cap space, gets an asset for Georgiev, and open another spot on the left side of the defense for someone like Miller, Hajek, Rykov, Reunanen, or even a dark horse in Robertson to be in the top 6 next season.

Smith already had his signing bonus paid. His salary is half of that and Ottawa needs to hit the cap floor next season. Ottawa is losing a bunch of LTIR money on their end. Their owner is cheap and Smith could even net them another future pick at the deadline for a team looking for depth.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Unless the Rangers win it all this year, I can't see Hank walking away. I think he'll want that last shot and leaving $5.5m on the table is a lot to swallow. I also can't really see the Rangers buying out Hank just so they can roll with two inexperience goalies, no matter how good they might be. They're not desperate for cap space and I don't see buying out a franchise legend as the kind of black mark Gorton wants on his resume.

Buying out Staal or Smith makes more sense. Less savings on the cap this year but less of an impact on the cap next year.

Devil's advocate because I ultimately think Hank is here next season, but...
Take 20% off that $5.5m for escrow, then 50% for taxes, then agent fees, then NYC living expenses. No guarentee a full season and full salary is paid out. What's his take home pay before living expense? Under $2m? I would say that salary is a non-factor one way or the other.

It probably hinges on contributing and cup runs. It has to be painfully obvious to Henrik he is not the starter, it will be more obvious in August. I imagine no decision is made until league rosters are set and he knows if anyone is looking at him as a starter.

Is it worth hanging around or going back home, during the pandemic, and playing in Sweden?

Again, I think he stays but it isn't nearly a guarantee any more.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm still on the bandwagon of lowering the cap hit to the team and trading Smith for Grabner. Both 1 year left, Grabner's cap hit is about $1m less. He can be a valuable 4th liner, although he is overpaid. Helps the PK as well for a season.

 

[Avery16]

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

For sure but he isn't the only goalie that might be available. I still believe he will be moved in a bigger deal possibly with Anderson if he is moved. I dont think he has enough value on his own to get a return that would be substantial.

The goalies available aren't that tempting aside from Ullmark and maybe Markström if the Canucks switch to Demko full-time. I do think Murray will return a haul solely because GMs still value team performance when judging individuals and Murray won 2 Cups as a rookie.

 

[romba]

Lindgren doesn't need to fight at all when we have enforcers ready to step in for him at every opportunity...

nu angle, very nice

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

I don't know why people here can't grasp that second round picks aren't that valuable. They hit about 11% of the time into a good NHL player. Second round picks are so overvalued on HF it's mind boggling. If you are going to trade Georgiev it better be for a young, NHL ready prospect that can play some kind of role on this team or a later first. Anything else is a garbage offer. I would think many teams think Georgiev is a starter in this league. You are comparing him to what you saw in Shesterkin which is absurd. Shesterkin is a freak. You can't compare another young goalie to him. There are quite a few young teams who are playoff teams that are using old goalies who are average in net. Toronto being one. Edmonton another. Georgiev is better than anything they have. Carolina's goaltending is atrocious. Dallas goalies are freakin ancient. Nashville as well. Their main goalie is done. He's a relic now.

 

[egelband]

Would an offer from Ottawa of 46 and 53 work for AG?

That’s the definition of win-win if you ask me. Ottawa gets a solid starter on a reasonable cap hit. We get a couple nice picks that can probably be used to move up a bit or add depth. Found money. I wonder what JG is after, though.

 

[romba]

The mentality these guys have is going to war. When you're at war and your comrade in arms get wrecked, clean or not, you retaliate because it's second nature (unless AV is your coach). If you don't get upset, your heart doesn't beat.

 

[NYR Viper]

The mentality these guys have is going to war. When you're at war and your comrade in arms get wrecked, clean or not, you retaliate because it's second nature (unless AV is your coach). If you don't get upset, your heart doesn't beat.

I get this, but what I don't understand is the desire to then do it within the rules at times. If someone delivers a large, clean hit, why can't the other team then deliver a large, clean hit? Fighting has it's place IMO, but so does hitting.

 

[egelband]

The mentality these guys have is going to war. When you're at war and your comrade in arms get wrecked, clean or not, you retaliate because it's second nature (unless AV is your coach). If you don't get upset, your heart doesn't beat.

I would say that most, if not all, players are cool with a clean hit. When a guy tries to get around a defenseman one-on-one and gets hip checked or shoulder planted, you never really see any nonsense afterword. Because it’s a clean and clear engagement. Both guys are ready and willing.
I may be putting words in your mouth, and @pld459666 too, I think he had a similar opinion. But I think you’d agree it’s the hits that are technically legal but not necessarily clean. Those are the ones that draw a response. And I’m fine with that.
The guys on the ice know what’s kosher and what’s putting someone’s livelihood at risk.
I think it’s pretty rare for a guy to get ambushed or even challenged for a totally clean hit.

 

[Trxjw]

Devil's advocate because I ultimately think Hank is here next season, but...
Take 20% off that $5.5m for escrow, then 50% for taxes, then agent fees, then NYC living expenses. No guarentee a full season and full salary is paid out. What's his take home pay before living expense? Under $2m? I would say that salary is a non-factor one way or the other.

It probably hinges on contributing and cup runs. It has to be painfully obvious to Henrik he is not the starter, it will be more obvious in August. I imagine no decision is made until league rosters are set and he knows if anyone is looking at him as a starter.

Is it worth hanging around or going back home, during the pandemic, and playing in Sweden?

Again, I think he stays but it isn't nearly a guarantee any more.

I have a hard time seeing anyone walking away from millions of dollars regardless of what the circumstances may be, but it's likely the lesser of the reasons of why he'd want to finish out his contract. If he can come to terms with the fact that he's not the starter and the team is suddenly on the upswing can he really just walk away? Or will he try to hang around for another year or two a la Joe Thornton and see if he can finally get that cup? Of course being a back up will be a hard thing for him to do but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that he's too proud to accept that role.

I also think there's something to be said for the possible mentoring of Shesterkin. However, that might just be my brain looking for a feel-good story in 2020. Hank handing over the kingdom to a kid who looked up to him growing up? Talk about a nice way to go out.