Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIX

[duhmetreE]

I personally dont think ADA is moved this offseason. I think he signed for 2-3 years and its re-evaluated next offseason.

We have a mass amount of forwards that can be used to acquire the needed pieces. Whether its Buch, Chytil, Strome, Lias, Kravtsov etc... <- those players can be 'replaced' easier than ADA. If Lundkvist comes here and looks all-world, decisions need to be made. Even then, ADA could slot on the Left for even more time

ADA is a dynamic game-changer. He has a swagger and edge that is great for the team

 

[True Blue]

The problem i have with people comparing TDA to Leetch and Zubov is that Leetch and Zubov could play defense, TDA,.. not so much. So while offensively TDA is close. Its defensively that worries me. I like my defenders to be able to play defense too.

Which is why I specifically said offensively.

And yes, his defense leaves much to be desired. But the way that he tilts the ice offensively and the way that he ran the PP, you learn to live with it and get him a defensive partner. That is far easier to locate than another 24 year old, 60 point defenseman.

 

[Edge]

Letting TDA go is a mistake. A big one

I think they have to be sure they're getting great quality back.

 

[True Blue]

Not if
Lundkvist is for real
Fox can handle 1st PP next yr
They get a top 4 LD back

You do not know if Lundqvist is the real deal. You have only hopes. And the PP looked not at all the same with Fox running it.

 

[True Blue]

I think they have to be sure they're getting great quality back.

I think that people are forgetting just what it is that DeAngelo did last year. And really for the last year and a half. Anyone can be traded, but such a young defenseman who just put up the points that he did is a pretty rare commodity. Which is why when I look at the possible trading partners, the world shrinks.

 

[Edge]

The problem i have with people comparing TDA to Leetch and Zubov is that Leetch and Zubov could play defense, TDA,.. not so much. So while offensively TDA is close. Its defensively that worries me. I like my defenders to be able to play defense too.

Even if he's not on their level, I mean we're talking a pair of HOF players, he's easily third. So even if there's a gap there, that's a pretty good race to earn Bronze.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Aside for some names (Panarin, Kakko, Kreider, ZBad, Fox, Lindgren, Trouba), I don't think you can rule out anyone getting traded. Winning the lottery was a definite changer. I cannot see a resigned DeAngelo, Strome and Buchnevich all being here. But considering what DeAngelo just did at the age of 24, he should be the clear cut top choice for retention. I think it all depends on what his contract demands are.

I don't think Lindgren really belongs in that group but yeah, it's unlikely he gets moved.

Theres a realistic chance that 2 of the Buchnevich, Strome, Chytil, DeAngelo group is not here next year. I think that depends on what Hank does and in turn, what they do with Smith and Staal after we have that answer.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I personally dont think ADA is moved this offseason. I think he signed for 2-3 years and its re-evaluated next offseason.

We have a mass amount of forwards that can be used to acquire the needed pieces. Whether its Buch, Chytil, Strome, Lias, Kravtsov etc... <- those players can be 'replaced' easier than ADA. If Lundkvist comes here and looks all-world, decisions need to be made. Even then, ADA could slot on the Left for even more time

Yeah, this is how I feel as well.

No reason to throw away a 60 point RH NHL defenseman who is a good PPQB. Nils looks super promising but that doesn't mean we get ahead of ourselves here.

I think a 2-3 year deal is perfect for us and also for Tony bc he can cash in as a UFA at 27 years old.

Even if Lundkvist is in the NHL as soon as 2021, we can experiment with some of our RHD switching to the left side.

 

[Edge]

I think that people are forgetting just what it is that DeAngelo did last year. And really for the last year and a half. Anyone can be traded, but such a young defenseman who just put up the points that he did is a pretty rare commodity. Which is why when I look at the possible trading partners, the world shrinks.

It is rare, and it's valuable and the Rangers have to get that value in return.

And truth be told, they might elect to keep him.

It's just that when we look at the holes we're trying to fill, the options we're likely to have, and the money we're going to commit to different areas, it might easier from a roster building standpoint to have Lundkvist on an ELC and a decent second contract than it is to have ADA on a very large contract.

 

[Ola]

Bryan Little's contract is of course horrible, and it would definitely seem like Winnipeg would just keep him than do anything about it since he still is a half-good player.

But if we are to get a veteran center, I would take someone like him over some big guy that can't skate every day of the week.

Lias for Little and 10th?

 

[DanielBrassard]

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What the hell is wrong with some of you people who are actually willing to stomach watching Alec Martinez in a Rangers sweater. f*** that guy and f*** NBC for always showing the replay of that goddamn goal.

Not to mention he's bad. But then we have to see his dumb f***ing face in a Ranger uniform and it would cost us DeAngelo.

 

[huerter]

Line of the century from my buddy who works for a team...

"They should definitely try to get a defenseman who can play with Trouba, and even better if they deal Trouba to get that defenseman".

 

[True Blue]

It is rare, and it's valuable and the Rangers have to get that value in return.

And truth be told, they might elect to keep him.

It's just that when we look at the holes we're trying to fill, the options we're likely to have, and the money we're going to commit to different areas, it might easier from a roster building standpoint to have Lundkvist on an ELC and a decent second contract than it is to have ADA on a very large contract.

There is always a market clearing rate for everything. And yes, you are right on return value as well as where the holes will need to get plugged. Gun to head, I think that they keep him. But you will know that information long before me.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The Rangers should absolutely hate Tony’s social media use but I do find it hilarious that he’s able to use his podcast account to comment on things like this

 

[Savant]

I would think Vegas winning the Cup decreases the likelihood of a deal. If they get close but lose they may be more willing to part with futures like Krebs for an impact player like ADA now.

I don’t really think it’s matters honestly but only one way to find out I guess

 

[Trxjw]

Aside for some names (Panarin, Kakko, Kreider, ZBad, Fox, Lindgren, Trouba), I don't think you can rule out anyone getting traded. Winning the lottery was a definite changer. I cannot see a resigned DeAngelo, Strome and Buchnevich all being here. But considering what DeAngelo just did at the age of 24, he should be the clear cut top choice for retention. I think it all depends on what his contract demands are.

Totally agree. I think the Rangers are probably listening on everything but given the strength at the position, it makes sense to deal from the RD depth. Even if after Lundkvist it takes a pretty hard nose-dive.

 

[Edge]

There is always a market clearing rate for everything. And yes, you are right on return value as well as where the holes will need to get plugged. Gun to head, I think that they keep him. But you will know that information long before me.

I'm with you in the sense that I am very, very hesitant to move ADA.

I also firmly believe a move does not have to happen right now. I don't see them moving him for anything less than a return they love.

Even then, I think anyone with the Rangers would tell you it's a calculated risk and not a slam dunk decision.

 

[Savant]

Bryan Little's contract is of course horrible, and it would definitely seem like Winnipeg would just keep him than do anything about it since he still is a half-good player.

But if we are to get a veteran center, I would take someone like him over some big guy that can't skate every day of the week.

Lias for Little and 10th?

Was talking about Lias to Ottawa for Anisimov the other day. Another rental type.

 

[Ola]

I think that people are forgetting just what it is that DeAngelo did last year. And really for the last year and a half. Anyone can be traded, but such a young defenseman who just put up the points that he did is a pretty rare commodity. Which is why when I look at the possible trading partners, the world shrinks.

Yeah, and its frustrating. Facts are that TDA -- carried -- this team for long stretches these last season and a half. It was like night and day when he was in the lineup or not. Some will say Ola now you are exaggerating, yes he contributed offensively but he can't play defense. The thing is, on many nights we had an offensive game thanks to him. If we go back to the tail-end of 18-19 it doesn't say a ton since our team sucked so much back then, but really how he alone could impact the play and make us dangerous offensively when he was on the ice was very impressive and the reason for why I lost it when we had an golden opportunity to lock him up long term but instead gave him a bridge deal. Some will say 'but we didn't have any cap space', but really if Gorton attaches a 3rd round pick to Namestnikov he could easily have been dumped and TDA resigned to a long-term deal and its one of the top 3 deals Gorton ever had made.

But the reason its frustrating is not the tremendous blunders done, that is water under the bridge, its that how we go about handling these things become a self-fulfilling prophecy. We talk down these guys so much -- surely often just reverted hype to lower their contract demands -- and then when it comes down to making a decision the front office has lost their bearing on things. Zucc, Stralsy, JT Miller, Hayes, TDA and co -- we undoubtedly had opportunities to lock up these guys to fantastic long-term deals that even if we didn't want to keep them, would have been tremendously valuable in trades.

 

[Trxjw]

The big question is what the Rangers see as "proper value" when it comes to DeAngelo. The obvious choice is a one-for-one that addresses another need of theirs. The less obvious choice might be two guys who fill smaller roles on the team, or one guy who fills a smaller role and a really great prospect that they think can step into one of those holes in the next 18 months.

So if the Johansen for Jones type of swap isn't there, is there a Hamilton, Ferland, and Fox for Lindholm and Hanafin sort of deal to be had? DeAngelo, Buch, and Lias might be somewhat of an equivalent there. They give up the best asset in the moment, but might get two guys they think can blossom with a change of scenery.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

The big question is what the Rangers see as "proper value" when it comes to DeAngelo. The obvious choice is a one-for-one that addresses another need of theirs. The less obvious choice might be two guys who fill smaller roles on the team, or one guy who fills a smaller role and a really great prospect that they think can step into one of those holes in the next 18 months.

So if the Johansen for Jones type of swap isn't there, is there a Hamilton, Ferland, and Fox for Lindholm and Hanafin sort of deal to be had? DeAngelo, Buch, and Lias might be somewhat of an equivalent there. They give up the best asset in the moment, but might get two guys they think can blossom with a change of scenery.

And wouldn't it be hilarious if the return was in fact...

...Lindholm and Hanafin?

 

[GAGLine]

I think the bite in his game will definitely be missed. Hopefully it's something the team addresses with whatever restructuring goes on.

I think the bite in his game is more after the whistles than between them. I honestly don't think it will be missed at all.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

It would never happen for obvious reasons but Travis Sanheim would look nice on our left side

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Even if he's not on their level, I mean we're talking a pair of HOF players, he's easily third. So even if there's a gap there, that's a pretty good race to earn Bronze.

Very very true, but then we are paying a 3rd pairing defenseman 6m per year bc thats probably what he will command. Im in favor of keeping him but if we can swing a trade of Deangelo, Buch, and car 1, for a top 6 center and a very good LD then im down. like Sam Steel and Lindholm

 

[Avery16]

Effective writing doesn’t seem to be Tony’s forte.