Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIX

[DutchShamrock]

Carp sucks, flat out. I subscribe to the Athletic because the rest of their hockey coverage is awesome and Shayna is great but Carp just sucks.



That 1st and 3rd point are kind of hypocritical. The Rangers will buy out Hank if he doesn't retire but don't want to buy out Staal and Smith - who make more combined than Hank - because they don't want the dead space the extra year? But they'll do it for Hank?

Am I the only one who thinks it would be foolish not to trade Georgiev this offseason, regardless of whatever happens with Hank? His value will never be higher, Shesty is our guy. If AG and Igor are platooning next year then something went wrong IMO. That shouldn't be the plan. Yet I keep seeing Carp talking about the Rangers having a talented young tandem. Idk if I'm missing something but I see Superstar with Igor and low level starter, decent platoon guy with Georgiev - not sure why Carp talks about them like they're the same thing. I like Georgie, but he has the most value to us as a trade piece right now.

I think you are far from alone, but I still lean towards keeping Georgiev unless Hank stays (which I don't endorse specifically).

I think it would be prudent to have a capable back up for Igor. Yes, he has all the signs of being legit. Yes, he will probably play a huge portion of games. But he has like a dozen games under his belt. He could have some downturns during a long season. He could have an injury here and there. He should still be challenged. Basically all of the reasons you carry a back up. But we have one already.

Georgiev should be relatively cheap. He has played great. I think our perspective on goalies is skewed but he has developed very nicely and has trended up. Maybe not like richter, Lundqvist and Igor, but like most other goalies. And until we have a replacement, we don't have anything ready.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think exposing Georgiev would be optimal. We have ammo in the system that just isn't there yet. We can absorb a lost back up in a year. We will have to expose depth players which is a weakness.

That's just my opinion. I will change my tune with a strong trade return. I just don't see it as urgent or must to trade him away this summer.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I enjoy Vince's stuff but he's starting to rival Larry in his off-the-wall trade proposals. DeAngelo, Lias, and the Canes 1st for Cirelli? Yikes. The Legend of Cirelli is getting way out of hand.

Prob. me, but I just glance over the proposals here, it's a minefield of cringe. Too many guys want to ice a contender ASAP.

Every trade including Lundkvist or TDA has me shaking ...

 

[mti79]

I still think if you can bring in a veteran like Koivu, you do it. Wins 53-54% of faceoffs, I don't think it'd cost more than $2 and would provide a veteran leader in the room that could help Kakko as they're both Finns. Doesn't address the 2C need unless Chytil can fill that role with Panarin and Kakko on his wings.

 

[Ola]

Other interesting tidbits in Carp's article this AM:

Unless my definition of a "whopper" is different from his, I'm not sure that's what it'll take to move Georgiev, and that third point in particular reads like Carp speculating, but the bit about Drury being given permission to interview for the FLA job is new to me – not sure if I'd read it anywhere before.

To be honest, at this point I almost consider the Drury news to be good news.

Its not a good grade that we clearly have had a disastrous environment on our farm team, that we made many severe blunders developing kids, that our team was -- by far -- the worst prepared to play hockey when play resumed, that our pro-scouting has failed hard on many occasions, and so forth, and so forth, and so forth.

All this have one thing in common, we constantly fail to manage the organization so that it -- keeps up -- with the general development around it. Ideally, we would be leading the way. But in reality, we regularly fail to do things as good as the average team that is competing against us. Right or wrong, when we stayed away from our guys and obeyed to every thinkable code of conduct during the pandemic, other teams obviously concluded that hockey would be played and that you would get an advantage if you stayed in shape and made sure their guys did so. I knew we were in trouble the second I heard JD talk about how they had sent some kind of sliding boards to the players on which they could exercise.

The NHL is a very very competitive business with a lot at stake for everyone involved. I like Gorton, but the day obviously only has 24 hours for him too. He can't do everything by himself. Gorton himself also has areas in which he doesn't have a ton of experience, never played for himself at the highest level or coached at the highest level. JD obviously can only help at the highest helicopter level.

Some really good hockey minds lost their jobs (for very good reasons surely) last spring. I definitely hope that we realize the need for it and beef up the front-office. We must get someone in the room that will recognize that we are making the wrong calls and will become road kill if we don't roll up the sleves at times, and so forth.

 

[Trxjw]

This is why Tampa won't move Cirelli. Everyone falls over themselves trying to help out the lightning. "Cap issues? Well I have this 1st rounder just lying around. You can have it." Someone will step up and take on their problems. It's like the penguins. The whole league has a subconscious compulsion to help certain teams win.

Really it's just that fans act as if the guys they need to move are trash options and the Lightning are going to be forced to trade them for a song. That's far from the case. Look at the candidates:

Killorn who is far from a trash player. He's a useful option who is signed for 3 more years at a reasonable value with no signing bonuses to worry about. He can play C or LW and isn't out of place on any line in the top-9. He can play a checking role or skate with better players to create space. A team will inevitably see value there.

Ondrej Palat. Shorter term contract but is another versatile player. Can play all 3 positions up front, kills penalties, can generate offense. A guy that plenty of teams could use.

Tyler Johnson. Speedy, offensively talented, and can play in all situations. One year removed from a 29 goal season. Has a reputation as a playoff performer and is on a reasonable contract for 4 more years that has him earning less than his cap hit carries. $5m is hardly offensive for a guy who can notch 25+ goals and 50 points while also killing penalties.

I mentioned it a few threads ago but all 3 of these guys could be options for the Rangers.

 

[Edge]

Do you think it could be more a function of not wanting to move him? Setting a high, almost unachievable bar which has the side benefit of them not outright saying/indicating that they are 100% getting Hank off the roster. Maybe out of respect for him.

Good chance I am reading too much into this.

I think they like him a lot, but I can't see him as the guy to whom they attach a strange, lofty price tag.

 

[Trxjw]

Prob. me, but I just glance over the proposals here, it's a minefield of cringe. Too many guys want to ice a contender ASAP.

Every trade including Lundkvist or TDA has me shaking ...

I don't think we can rule out DeAngelo getting dealt, for better or worse. It might not be this off season but I think it'll be before expansion. Especially if the Rangers bring in a viable LD option between now and then.

 

[JimmyG89]

If they can turn the value of Georgiev into something similar to what they got for Talbot, I'll be happy.

Talbot brought back a late 2nd, mid 3rd, and a 7th (which we ironically took a potential future backup in Adam Huska with).

We don't have the draft capital in the 2nd, and there will be good players available then. If they're looking to flip that late 1st, which I totally would like to see improve the current roster, getting back that kind of a pick, adding a 3rd and a late pick, would be ideal.

Georgiev was a free asset. We just signed him. If we can turn him into a few pieces that could be assets for when the team is good and needs either trade chips or young players on their ELC, it should be explored.

If Hank retires, then Georgiev could be kept, but I'd still argue they could look to move him and sign a backup. Someone like Greiss or Talbot, depending on the starting jobs that will be open. I'm not sure Geogiev's value will be as high as it is at this moment. Team control for a few more years. The longer they wait, the less control a team will have to sign him to a good deal.

He's always done well at MSG, but I wonder if someone like Jimmy Howard would be willing to sign cheap as a backup too. He is older, but that Detroit team was so brutal that his numbers to me from last season don't really matter to me. I'd be willing to take the risk on him as someone that could play 20ish games. Shesterkin should be in nets for close to 60 games next season.

 

[East Coast Bias]

My favorite Carp days where when he used to spend the whole game arguing with people in his twitter comments. Just non stop dismissing people and calling them morons. Then he'd get back to the action and hammer Dan Boyle for something Girardi did, and freak out again at people @'ing him to correct him.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I don't think we can rule out DeAngelo getting dealt, for better or worse. It might not be this off season but I think it'll be before expansion. Especially if the Rangers bring in a viable LD option between now and then.

Can't argue. We have Fox, ADA and Lundkvist. I want to keep all three, I can see it being close to impossible.

I will remain adamant though, that ADA brings that pest factor, which is so MAJOR I can't even begin to explain it!1!!!!1!

 

[bobbop]

Great fit for the Rangers though. High reward. Low risk. Fills several needs. Can probably sign on a discount if it works. If it doesn’t, no harm no foul. I’d try and get Martínez too.

It’s negligent to not get Trouba a better partner after the investment they made in him. Even if he just keeps the seat warm for Miller a year it’s worth it. Vegas and the Rangers are a great match too. They aren’t going to be able to afford to re-sign Lehrer with their cap as is so it’s potentially a Georgiev spot too.

There are really not a lot of center options out there though that the Rangers either wouldn't have to protect, or wouldn’t hurt their cap past 2021 and interfere with extending Zibanejad. If they can’t get Stastny I’d also try to get Bonino out of Nashville. That’s another good fit. A guy like Danault would be perfect but hard to see him getting out of Montreal.

First of all, let’s see how far Vegas goes. They may win the whole thing with the team they have now.

If Vegas doesn’t win and if they still see a right hand defenseman (who, can QB the power play) as a big need, the teams match up perfectly.

No thanks on Stastny. He’s a one year plug at best. We would be better off just keeping Strome as a one year plug.

I personally like Krebs better than Glass. He came back from His injury and had a great year. He’s the perfect 2C profile for the future, and he may even arrive this year.

I’ll take Martinez as a one year stopgap until Lundkvist (not Miller) gets here. Vegas would have to move salary to take on DeAngelo. Solves two problems.

And I’ll take a draft pick because...well...I will.

DeAngelo for Krebs, Martinez and a pick. Simple clean deal that lines up for both teams.

 

[bobbop]

Just looking are rosters is they Cam Fowler contract bad ? Would he go well with Trouba ?

Yes.

No.

 

[Trxjw]

Can't argue. We have Fox, ADA and Lundkvist. I want to keep all three, I can see it being close to impossible.

I will remain adamant though, that ADA brings that pest factor, which is so MAJOR I can't even begin to explain it!1!!!!1!

I think the bite in his game will definitely be missed. Hopefully it's something the team addresses with whatever restructuring goes on.

 

[Savant]

First of all, let’s see how far Vegas goes. They may win the whole thing with the team they have now.

If Vegas doesn’t win and if they still see a right hand defenseman (who, can QB the power play) as a big need, the teams match up perfectly.

No thanks on Stastny. He’s a one year plug at best. We would be better off just keeping Strome as a one year plug.

I personally like Krebs better than Glass. He came back from His injury and had a great year. He’s the perfect 2C profile for the future, and he may even arrive this year.

I’ll take Martinez as a one year stopgap until Lundkvist (not Miller) gets here. Vegas would have to move salary to take on DeAngelo. Solves two problems.

And I’ll take a draft pick because...well...I will.

DeAngelo for Krebs, Martinez and a pick. Simple clean deal that lines up for both teams.

I mostly agree with this.

1. I think if they win the Cup, that helps make a deal. Will be easier to let win some guys

2. I’m not looking at Stastny as a Strome upgrade. I’m looking at Stastny as a Howden upgrade. I think we are stuck with Strome At 2C one more year.

3. I can get down with that version of a deal too. Like if the Rangers did your deal with Vegas, I’m fine with that, but then would also call Nashville and try and get Bonino out of there. Don’t think there will be took much of an overlap on assets either.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I think the bite in his game will definitely be missed. Hopefully it's something the team addresses with whatever restructuring goes on.

I don't see to many players like him around. The older Tkachuk bro comes to mind ... and Boston sewer rat.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Martinez would not be a quality pick up.

If we're moving the best player in that deal and they want to send Martinez to offset some salary, okay fine. That means we get more than Krebs and a 1 though.

I think Krebs has a real shot at playing next year.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I mostly agree with this.

1. I think if they win the Cup, that helps make a deal. Will be easier to let win some guys

2. I’m not looking at Stastny as a Strome upgrade. I’m looking at Stastny as a Howden upgrade. I think we are stuck with Strome At 2C one more year.

3. I can get down with that version of a deal too. Like if the Rangers did your deal with Vegas, I’m fine with that, but then would also call Nashville and try and get Bonino out of there. Don’t think there will be took much of an overlap on assets either.

I would think Vegas winning the Cup decreases the likelihood of a deal. If they get close but lose they may be more willing to part with futures like Krebs for an impact player like ADA now.

 

[eco's bones]

The last two years have been pretty so-so as far as Huska's concerned. I don't think he's anywhere near where Georgiev is now. I like Wall better but I don't know if either has what it takes to be a consistently good backup NHL goaltender.......and the same goes for Lindbom. Maybe he'll hang in well enough to get by for another season but Henrik has been showing decline for 3/4 years now. He doesn't take losing well and I'm not even sure he takes being a backup very well either.......and he's expensive.

Another concern I have about our goaltending---the NHL has the resources to play hockey in a bubble---the AHL really doesn't. So if there is no AHL where are Huska and Wall going to play?--and in what way could either be available if the NHL goes back to the bubble? You're probably putting at least one of them in a situation where you're carrying him on your team but never playing him unless there's a dire emergency. That's not great for development. Maybe the other you could hook onto a European team but that might make it difficult to get him back if you needed him and he'd probably have to go through two weeks of quarantining besides.

IMO moving goalies at this point in time is probably not a great idea.

 

[Ola]

Tampa couldn't even afford that. Do any of these reporters do a bit of research?

Ranger world in relation to what TDA at the very least will get in arbitration.

TDA won't get more than 3-4 mil, right???

 

[TopShelf86]

Letting TDA go is a mistake. A big one

 

[True Blue]

I don't think we can rule out DeAngelo getting dealt, for better or worse. It might not be this off season but I think it'll be before expansion. Especially if the Rangers bring in a viable LD option between now and then.

Aside for some names (Panarin, Kakko, Kreider, ZBad, Fox, Lindgren, Trouba), I don't think you can rule out anyone getting traded. Winning the lottery was a definite changer. I cannot see a resigned DeAngelo, Strome and Buchnevich all being here. But considering what DeAngelo just did at the age of 24, he should be the clear cut top choice for retention. I think it all depends on what his contract demands are.

 

[Mac n Gs]

What the hell is wrong with some of you people who are actually willing to stomach watching Alec Martinez in a Rangers sweater. f*** that guy and f*** NBC for always showing the replay of that goddamn goal.

 

[True Blue]

Letting TDA go is a mistake. A big one

You only say that because he has just had the best year offensively of any Ranger defenesmen since the days of Leetch and Zubov.

 

[Vitto79]

Letting TDA go is a mistake. A big one

Not if
Lundkvist is for real
Fox can handle 1st PP next yr
They get a top 4 LD back

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

You only say that because he has just had the best year offensively of any Ranger defenesmen since the days of Leetch and Zubov.

The problem i have with people comparing TDA to Leetch and Zubov is that Leetch and Zubov could play defense, TDA,.. not so much. So while offensively TDA is close. Its defensively that worries me. I like my defenders to be able to play defense too.