Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLI

[UnSandvich]

Beyond next season, I don't see this team in cap hell at all. Hank, Staal and Smith gone and Shattenkirk's buyout drops like a rock. The only concerns I have with a Strome contract are cap hit and whether they can squeeze it in next year. Beyond that they should have cap space and keeping someone who has proven to be able to augment your best player seems like a worthy investment as long as the cap hit isn't too high.

In normal circumstances it would be more okay. But I could see the cap remaining stagnant for 2-3 years b/c of corona. And when our actually good players are going to need new contracts during that time, and we'll have Strome's anchor on the books...

 

[Avery16]

Beyond that they should have cap space and keeping someone who has proven to be able to augment your best player seems like a worthy investment as long as the cap hit isn't too high.

There literally is zero proof of this.

 

[RangersFan1994]

chances that Nils Lundkvist makes the team and forces his way into the Rangers 20-21 season out of training camp??

 

[D713B]

I think it's fair to be on either side of the coin with Strome. The deciding factor for me is it's a known quantity that he pairs well with your best player. There's more potential for less production than greater collective production with a new linemate. At the proper terms I would retain him.

If it isn't broken don't fix it. It's that simple for me and I think it will boil down to the same with the Rangers brass.

 

[Leetch3]

chances that Nils Lundkvist makes the team and forces his way into the Rangers 20-21 season out of training camp??

likely very small given the depth on the right side...i'd expect miller and lundkvist to spend a good chunk of the year (if not all) in the AHL...we can afford to be patient

 

[NYR Viper]

In normal circumstances it would be more okay. But I could see the cap remaining stagnant for 2-3 years b/c of corona. And when our actually good players are going to need new contracts during that time, and we'll have Strome's anchor on the books...

We have been saying this for years on these boards. Trades happen, players regress or don't take the next step, etc. Having too many good players is a good issue to have as you can move one or two and back-fill elsewhere. As long as Strome doesn't get a NMC and he continues to play with Panarin (why wouldn't he as they have chemistry) he will have value given his cap hit is reasonable. If the need arises where the team needs cap space to pay someone like Chytil or Fox who have proven to require large contracts then there will be teams who value what someone like Strome can provide in their top-6

 

[NYR Viper]

There literally is zero proof of this.

Was the Panarin line not one of the better lines in the NHL in their first year together? Panarin was well on track to smash his single season point total record for his career. Strome was as well. It allowed Quinn the benefit of playing Zibanejad and Kreider together to form a 1b/a combination as well.

The idea that Strome doesn't have some innate value to the Rangers seems silly to me. I'm not saying give the guy $7m per season but @$5m? Yeah I am more than okay with that. Look around the league at players who are FAR WORSE than him making much more. And he is 26 years old, not 30 like most UFA's.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I'm not convinced at all that Strome would have many suitors if the Rangers give him a long-ish deal. It's incredibly easy to make a compelling argument against his value as a player.

Any team that has watched him for more than a game could make that argument

He's a middle 6 player that does well on crappy teams. He's not some Stanley cup contending piece that you tie money up with because he can exist next to elite players

His brother is the same way. There's a reason the Blackhawks are looking to dump him after trading a major piece of their team for him

 

[Avery16]

Was the Panarin line not one of the better lines in the NHL in their first year together? Panarin was well on track to smash his single season point total record for his career. Strome was as well. It allowed Quinn the benefit of playing Zibanejad and Kreider together to form a 1b/a combination as well.

The idea that Strome doesn't have some innate value to the Rangers seems silly to me. I'm not saying give the guy $7m per season but @$5m? Yeah I am more than okay with that. Look around the league at players who are FAR WORSE than him making much more. And he is 26 years old, not 30 like most UFA's.

Let’s not move the goalposts. You said it’s been proven that Strome makes Panarin better. We don’t know that. We know that Panarin has career highs his first season on a new team, and his line mate also had career highs while playing with one of the hottest forwards in the league. Those are facts. Assuming Strome caused Panarin’s bump is just that- an assumption, one that I would not make.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm not convinced at all that Strome would have many suitors if the Rangers give him a long-ish deal. It's incredibly easy to make a compelling argument against his value as a player.

Any team that has watched him for more than a game could make that argument

He's a middle 6 player that does well on crappy teams. He's not some Stanley cup contending piece that you tie money up with because he can exist next to elite players

His brother is the same way. There's a reason the Blackhawks are looking to dump him after trading a major piece of their team for him

There are many teams that can't attract top end UFA's. Those same teams would be looking for a player like Strome, even if he 'only' puts up 50 points as long as he is paid accordingly. Hedge the bet and front load and give him large signing bonuses and there would be teams who would be interested.

Ideally I think you're right, he's a middle-6, 45-50 point winger who can also play center. In UFA what does that go for? $4-5m pretty easily if not more. Strome also has the added benefit to this team of knowing he fits and knowing he has chemistry with Panarin.

 

[NYR Viper]

Let’s not move the goalposts. You said it’s been proven that Strome makes Panarin better. We don’t know that. We know that Panarin has career highs his first season on a new team, and his line mate also had career highs while playing with one of the hottest forwards in the league. Those are facts. Assuming Strome caused Panarin’s bump is just that- an assumption, one that I would not make.

Tell me, what would Strome have had to do in order to impress you last year? Or even the year prior once he came over the Rangers because his track record of positive play goes back beyond this past season.

I am not saying Strome single-handedly caused anything, but why change what's not broken? Again, assuming the request for a contract is reasonable.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

chances that Nils Lundkvist makes the team and forces his way into the Rangers 20-21 season out of training camp??

I think he could make it based on where he is as a player, but the right side is set. If they move one of the RHD to the left side, I can see it happening. We played with 5 LHDs in the play offs not too long ago. I don't see how we can't go with 4 RHD.

But ideally, he starts in Hartford. That's his own expectation as well, FYI.

 

[SA16]

If you told me we had to give one of our UFA a 5-6M AAV I would give it to Jesper Fast well before I gave it to Ryan Strome.

 

[Avery16]

Tell me, what would Strome have had to do in order to impress you last year? Or even the year prior once he came over the Rangers because his track record of positive play goes back beyond this past season.

I am not saying Strome single-handedly caused anything, but why change what's not broken? Again, assuming the request for a contract is reasonable.

I am impressed with Strome's play this season. Many of us had him pegged on the third line at season's start. He spent time on the 4th line last season. He did very well with the 2C opportunity. Should he get a raise? I'm fine with that. I've said I support a two-year at 5.25. I think that deal carries some risk, but we would get out of it quickly if Strome slacked, as he has done a few times already in his inconsistent career. I'm also completely on board with trading him at his high-value mark, if the right return is available. But let's all stop talking about Strome as if he's the missing piece that Panarin needed to unlock a higher gear. That is highly implausible, and Strome's next contract shouldn't be based off any theory like that. Its far more likely that the reverse is true- Panarin is the unique piece Strome needs to achieve a higher level. Why would we reward Strome for that?

 

[NYR Viper]

I am impressed with Strome's play this season. Many of us had him pegged on the third line at season's start. He spent time on the 4th line last season. He did very well with the 2C opportunity. Should he get a raise? I'm fine with that. I've said I support a two-year at 5.25. I think that deal carries some risk, but we would get out of it quickly if Strome slacked, as he has done a few times already in his inconsistent career. I'm also completely on board with trading him at his high-value mark, if the right return is available. But let's all stop talking about Strome as if he's the missing piece that Panarin needed to unlock a higher gear. That is highly implausible, and Strome's next contract shouldn't be based off any theory like that.

To be clear, I'm not stating Strome is the missing piece. Just that I don't understand the vitriol he receives. If he's asking for $7m per yer for 6 years, fine, I get it. If he's asking for 4 years @ $5m? I could see that.

I'd probably be more in favor of trading him then giving him a 1 year deal and depending on the offers, more in favor of trading him than giving him a 2 year deal as well.

 

[Avery16]

To be clear, I'm not stating Strome is the missing piece. Just that I don't understand the vitriol he receives. If he's asking for $7m per yer for 6 years, fine, I get it. If he's asking for 4 years @ $5m? I could see that.

I'd probably be more in favor of trading him then giving him a 1 year deal and depending on the offers, more in favor of trading him than giving him a 2 year deal as well.

Quote my vitriol, please.

If we gave Strome a 1 or 2 year deal and his production didnt drop, his return in a trade would be no worse than it is now, if not better for the consistency he will have demonstrated.

 

[NYR Viper]

Quote my vitriol, please.

I didn't say the vitriol was from you, just that there seems to be some in the conversations that discuss Strome.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

There are many teams that can't attract top end UFA's. Those same teams would be looking for a player like Strome, even if he 'only' puts up 50 points as long as he is paid accordingly. Hedge the bet and front load and give him large signing bonuses and there would be teams who would be interested.

Ideally I think you're right, he's a middle-6, 45-50 point winger who can also play center. In UFA what does that go for? $4-5m pretty easily if not more. Strome also has the added benefit to this team of knowing he fits and knowing he has chemistry with Panarin.

If he consistently put up 50 point seasons I could see what you’re saying have more validity. But he hasn’t.

He’s more likely to put up 30-35 points than 50+

Paying a guy 5 million or more a year for 35 points is bad value to me. Paying a guy that much money because he has chemistry with an elite player is bad value to me

The team has to be careful with how they hand out money now. Say what you want about Brady Skjei as a player, but they literally dumped him for salary reasons.

I’d rather not have to do that again

 

[Doctyl]

I don’t understand why everyone is so eager to throw a 2 year 6 million AAV deal at a career 30 point player who doubled his production because of Panarin

 

[Avery16]

If he consistently put up 50 point seasons I could see what you’re saying have more validity. But he hasn’t.

He’s more likely to put up 30-35 points than 50+

Paying a guy 5 million or more a year for 35 points is bad value to me. Paying a guy that much money because he has chemistry with an elite player is bad value to me

The team has to be careful with how they hand out money now. Say what you want about Bray Skjei as a player, but they literally dumped him for salary reasons.

I’d rather not have to do that again

If we had to move ADA this or next season for salary concerns, we'll be talking about it for the two+ decades a la the Zubov trade.

 

[Avery16]

I don’t understand why everyone is so eager to throw a 2 year 6 million AAV deal at a career 30 point player who doubled his production because of Panarin

rewarding synergy

 

[Doctyl]

rewarding synergy

This is the first time he put up 50 points since he had a rocket runner up on his team. He’s a leach not a spark plug

 

[NYR Viper]

If he consistently put up 50 point seasons I could see what you’re saying have more validity. But he hasn’t.

He’s more likely to put up 30-35 points than 50+

Paying a guy 5 million or more a year for 35 points is bad value to me. Paying a guy that much money because he has chemistry with an elite player is bad value to me

The team has to be careful with how they hand out money now. Say what you want about Bray Skjei as a player, but they literally dumped him for salary reasons.

I’d rather not have to do that again

So this is where I get lost.

Strome in his first season with the Rangers, when extrapolated out over 82 games, was on pace for 43 points. Not earth shattering but not bad. That was mainly in a depth role while playing both center and wing.

Strome this year had 59 points in 70 games which extrapolated out is 69 points. That's playing prime minutes at both ES and PP and center most of the season.

That's very close to 2 full seasons of time in NY with an average point total, per 82 games, of 57 points. I' sure that's inflated by playing with Panarin this season but if he was re-signed, that is more than likely something that will remain.

I don't think Strome scoring at a 45-50 point pace over 82 games is that far-fetched.

Now if we look around the league at players recently signed as UFA's in that point range you see guys like Kevin Hayes, Mats Zuccarello, Matt Duchene, Jordan Eberle, Anders Lee, Chris Kreider, etc. When you start looking around the league at what some of these players are signing for, $5m for a guy like Strome isn't bad value.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

If we had to move ADA this or next season for salary concerns, we'll be talking about it for the two+ decades a la the Zubov trade.

Why? He hasn't proven he can be as good as Zubov on a consistent basis.

 

[NYR Viper]

If we had to move ADA this or next season for salary concerns, we'll be talking about it for the two+ decades a la the Zubov trade.

I don't believe ANYONE is stating they would sign Strome to any contract over giving ADA what he deserves to get in order to stay long-term. If they are please quote them.