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I also don’t think either side considered Raanta a throw in.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLI
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I also don’t think either side considered Raanta a throw in.
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Have not made up my mind about Georgiev, but the part about expansion draft is spot on.
Georgiev is valuable. He has a .913 save percentage playing behind a defense that’s a shitshow many nights. He is Inconsistent but often spectacular. Put him on a team and give him 55 games and he will be fine. If I was a team like Ottawa or Detroit with Plenty of draft capital and no short term solution available in goal, I’d be all over this. I don’t think having him available for three more years (two if the Rangers intend to monetize him before he goes UFA) makes all that much sense unless they are hell bent on buying out Henrik.
IMO, he’s worth at least (2nd and 3rd) what the Rangers got for Talbot. Unfortunately, the draft timing may make that kind of trade impossible.
IMO, he’s worth at least (2nd and 3rd) what the Rangers got for Talbot. Unfortunately, the draft timing may make that kind of trade impossible.
A 24 team play in would be really special. Even with a few "pre-season" games, I know from international tournament and what not what a huuuge difference it makes to be up and running for a team compared to coming in a little cold. Like a fresh All-star team from US or Canada or Russia etc can easily struggle mightly against C-tiers nations that have been together a longer time.
*Like all NHL games are so close, so I wouldn't say that the teams playing the "play in series" would win 10/10 games in the first game against the higher ranked team that is cold. But the play-in teams could definitely have a big advantage against the higher ranked team early in the 1/16 games.
*Its of course a general observation, but in general a team playing a more advanced style needs more time to get going and a team plays a high marginals defensive game with many layers defensively and what not get going faster. Nobody benefit from this set-up more than the Islanders.
Also think that it is far from a guarantee that we would even be in a top 24 POs, since they might go for divsions. If that is done, I don't think it is the end of the world -- because we would have to be ranked top 7 for the draft, right? I can't imagine that someone both gets into the POs, and gets a higher draft position than someone outside the POs. Right?
*Like all NHL games are so close, so I wouldn't say that the teams playing the "play in series" would win 10/10 games in the first game against the higher ranked team that is cold. But the play-in teams could definitely have a big advantage against the higher ranked team early in the 1/16 games.
*Its of course a general observation, but in general a team playing a more advanced style needs more time to get going and a team plays a high marginals defensive game with many layers defensively and what not get going faster. Nobody benefit from this set-up more than the Islanders.
Also think that it is far from a guarantee that we would even be in a top 24 POs, since they might go for divsions. If that is done, I don't think it is the end of the world -- because we would have to be ranked top 7 for the draft, right? I can't imagine that someone both gets into the POs, and gets a higher draft position than someone outside the POs. Right?
Amazing Kreiderman
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Why not 32, give Seattle a flying start!
Open training camp for everyone on June 1. First game June 14 against the STL in a best of 7 PO series. Just recently retired players, ECHLers and has beens on the roster. Maybe a female player or two?
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Manon Rheaume?Why not 32, give Seattle a flying start!
Open training camp for everyone on June 1. First game June 14 against the STL in a best of 7 PO series. Just recently retired players, ECHLers and has beens on the roster. Maybe a female player or two?
Shesty 1 , Hank 2 would be hard to deal with which is why I think Georgiev gets a 2 Year deal then is traded ... by then hopefully Wall or another kid is ready
Anything pick wise but a first for Geoergiev is an insult and would be a major screwup by Gorton. When are people going to learn that Georgiev is not a reclamation project like Talbot or Raanta were. He's actually younger than Shesterkin. He's been outstanding for a young goalie breaking in on a rebuilding team with young defenseman. I suspect the reason Georgiev wasn't dealt was because no team wanted to give up a first. They all wanted to nickel and dime Gorton. It didn't work then. It won't work now. I'm quite sure the Rangers will be happy to go with Shesterkin with Georgiev backing him up until a team pays the proper amount. You see this every year in the NHL. Teams go into the season thinking their defenseman and goalies are solid then halfway through the year they realize their defenseman and goalies suck. Same crap every year.
The general opinion out there from what you hear and read is the Rangers are a team that's going to kick some serious butt over the next 5 to 8 years and they have a farm system full of talent with a pro club that has few spots open. Now it's just a matter if the other clueless GM's in the league actually will anti up and pay what they need to in order to get some of the Rangers prospects. Hajek, Rykov, Jones, Gross, Huska, Wall, Andersson. These are players teams should be trying to get from NY and pay the price for them. Take a team like Detroit. They stink and they will stink for another 4-5 years. Mantha will be 30 and not much good for them when then finally turn it around. Something like Jones, Rykov and Andersson for Mantha makes a lot of sense for Detroit. They have to start building a team with some depth and look torwards the future. Mantha will be 26 in September. He's useless there. I still like Lias but Mantha could put this team into serious contention.
The general opinion out there from what you hear and read is the Rangers are a team that's going to kick some serious butt over the next 5 to 8 years and they have a farm system full of talent with a pro club that has few spots open. Now it's just a matter if the other clueless GM's in the league actually will anti up and pay what they need to in order to get some of the Rangers prospects. Hajek, Rykov, Jones, Gross, Huska, Wall, Andersson. These are players teams should be trying to get from NY and pay the price for them. Take a team like Detroit. They stink and they will stink for another 4-5 years. Mantha will be 30 and not much good for them when then finally turn it around. Something like Jones, Rykov and Andersson for Mantha makes a lot of sense for Detroit. They have to start building a team with some depth and look torwards the future. Mantha will be 26 in September. He's useless there. I still like Lias but Mantha could put this team into serious contention.
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The market determines what a guy is worth. If no one wants to give up a first for Georgiev, then he's not worth a first.
If no one wants to give up a first for Georgiev next year, he's still not worth a first.
If it two years we flip him for a second and a prospect, because that's literally the best offer out there, that's not a failure. That's market value.
I don't know why people think the idea in their heads about what a guy is worth is his ACTUAL value. We don't know. Past deals don't necessarily mean anything because player values fluctuate and sometimes there's a market for a guy, while other times there isn't.
If you assume your GM is at least competent, you should give them the benefit of the doubt that they got the best deal available (or close to).
If no one wants to give up a first for Georgiev next year, he's still not worth a first.
If it two years we flip him for a second and a prospect, because that's literally the best offer out there, that's not a failure. That's market value.
I don't know why people think the idea in their heads about what a guy is worth is his ACTUAL value. We don't know. Past deals don't necessarily mean anything because player values fluctuate and sometimes there's a market for a guy, while other times there isn't.
If you assume your GM is at least competent, you should give them the benefit of the doubt that they got the best deal available (or close to).
Shesty can be a 60 game starter that doesn't need a backup to play 30 games. Geo is a luxury if the Rangers can find a NHL level backup goalie who can get you a save.
But until that scenario becomes reality, there is no need to trade Geo unless you are getting what you want.
But until that scenario becomes reality, there is no need to trade Geo unless you are getting what you want.
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It seems pretty obvious to me Henrik is getting bought out
And the draft potentially having no player trades makes that an even stronger indication that Georgiev is staying for now
I have no idea what Gorton would want in a trade. I'd take multiple second picks in this years draft from someone like Detroit. Maybe he's really looking for a top 6 forward like it was rumored
And the draft potentially having no player trades makes that an even stronger indication that Georgiev is staying for now
I have no idea what Gorton would want in a trade. I'd take multiple second picks in this years draft from someone like Detroit. Maybe he's really looking for a top 6 forward like it was rumored
Anthony5967
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Shapiro suggesting another Strome trade. I just don't understand why lol. You drafted a kid seventh who may not even come back, a kid at 21, albeit a very good player, he still needs to develop, and the jury is out on whether or not he's even a C. So who else in the system can even be considered a 2C? Strome shouldn't break the bank. I realize the cap may remain flat, and that could be a killer. However, the guy has established wicked chemistry with your team's best player, and the two of them threw up the point totals they did with Fast on the other flank! Imagine when Kakko or Kravtsov starts hitting their stride in time. As long as Strome isn't asking for $6M per, I'm fine bringing him back for 3-4 years.
But why wouldn't he though? He probably knows this is his best shot at a big contract.
Anthony5967
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It was one season, though. He's also an RFA, right? I don't know if any team is convinced he can sustain that type of success without arguably the best play driving wing in hockey.
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No he doesn’t believe Dunn is expendable, thinks he’ll sign for something under 3 million, and believes Pietrangelo will be re-signed, but it will take Armstrong getting creative.
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