Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[CLW]

Bingo, Drury is an idiot

Lavi and the other coaches too. Rupp nailed it. The BS from the top flowing down is not making it easier for the players to bootstrap themselves. The players have a crap GM, shit coaches and are stressed out of their minds. Good luck creating a winning environment out of that.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'm fine with that. I haven't liked Drury since day 1.

But at the same time, the players shouldn't get a pass. Pouting and losing games is only making things worse.

They need to move out the leadership group as well.

 

[bernmeister]

Smith was pretty obviously a fallback option. By all accounts the Rangers wanted to move trouba and Goodrow's money to add another forward like Guentzel.

Guentzel would have been another failed win now rental
It is good we avoided

Brooks should pay me to read his drivel

He should pay me to write it.
Better results
but then again, NY Post -> Alex Hamilton still spinning in his grave!

 

[CLW]

They need to move out the leadership group as well.

I haven't seen a single poster argue against this either.

Many people on here have been talking about the country club since 20/21. We know Mika and Kreider were not happy when Zucc was dealt. We know Panarin was aloof for years after he came, to his credit he's been better the last year or so, but a lot of damage was done. He was another original chuckle brother with his butler Strome fanning his butt. Igor lives in his own bubble.

Drury's first job, had he been a serious person, would have been to deal with this situation. His solution was to bring in Goodrow and Reaves and punt Buchnevich which if anything only cemented the issue for years until today.

 

[periferal]

Being serious here...

Can someone honestly explain what has happened to this team in just about 6 months?

This team was a couple of goals away from being in the Cup finals, and now they're an absolute mess that feels like it's miles away from Cup contention.

I understand that Shesterkin was out of his mind in the 2024 playoffs, but that doesn't explain the rest of the team and how insanely poorly they are playing in front of him vs last year. Was losing Goodrow that much of a killer to chemistry?

And what was it so necessary to trade Trouba? I understand he's a shell defensively to what he was a few seasons ago, but he's still your captain and pretty much the only player with grit in the lineup. Did you really need the cap space that badly midseason?

I just don't get the moves nor how there could be such a huge dropoff in play from essentially the same team in only a few months.

Is there an insightful/objective explanation to all the reasons for this other than the simpleton "Drury sucks" kind of post...?

 

[Cusedog]

I would not mind the Rangers bringing in Messier to help fix the culture in this organization. Say what you will, but I just cannot see him putting up with what has transpired this year. These hockey players are millionaires on their 3rd coach and deserve no pass because they do not like the moves being made. The young player development is also in shambles in this organization. Culture is the issue, and not a missing magical right wing for the 1st line

 

[LokiDog]

Being serious here...

Can someone honestly explain what has happened to this team in just about 6 months?

This team was a couple of goals away from being in the Cup finals, and now they're an absolute mess that feels like it's miles away from Cup contention.

I understand that Shesterkin was out of his mind in the 2024 playoffs, but that doesn't explain the rest of the team and how insanely poorly they are playing in front of him vs last year. Was losing Goodrow that much of a killer to chemistry?

And what was it so necessary to trade Trouba? I understand he's a shell defensively to what he was a few seasons ago, but he's still your captain and pretty much the only player with grit in the lineup. Did you really need the cap space that badly midseason?

I just don't get the moves nor how there could be such a huge dropoff in play from essentially the same team in only a few months.

Is there an insightful/objective explanation to all the reasons for this other than the simpleton "Drury sucks" kind of post...?

There are about a dozen theories in this thread, a handful that are fairly well thought out and a few that even have some smoke behind them that give them some substance. It’s quite a bit to summarize and I’m running behind so I don’t have time for a lengthy post, but if you skim through the past 10 pages or so you’ll see several ideas that are much broader than Drury sucks.

 

[Graves97]

What would demanding a trade do for them? They'd end up in Canada or some American sh*thole like Columbus. Management signed them to contracts so why not simply wait their contracts out? Contracts go both ways. /shrug

Bad management is the root problem here. They are responsible for all decisions. That's what it means to be boss. The players may not be happy but nothing will be fixed until this org gets smart and competent management. The players will be turned over soon enough, but the shit decisions from up top will keep harming the franchise. And don't give me any sob stories about NMCs etc because it's management who handed those out too.

Based on the level of effort they are displaying, anything is better than playing for the bad pizza man, who committed the cardinal sin of holding players accountable when they aren't playing well. How dare he try and make the team better by holding them to standards. Also worth pointing out that if the terrible play is due to their resentment towards Drury, it just goes to show how little they care for the fan base or the team if they are willing to let this drag as long as it has.

Where are the sob stories involving NMCs? Any player that has one can't be moved without their approval point blank. Now if you signed a NTC or a m-NTC than the organization has options and if you aren't playing up to your contract than I expect the person in charge to do everything within their power exercise those options in order to make the team better.

As per management being root problem here, they did nothing in violation of the CBA, which the players agreed too. This is also not a claim that Drury is some amazing GM, honestly he's been pretty mid, but I wont support the players throwing a hissy fit at the expense of the team.

 

[mike14]

I would not mind the Rangers bringing in Messier to help fix the culture in this organization. Say what you will, but I just cannot see him putting up with what has transpired this year. These hockey players are millionaires on their 3rd coach and deserve no pass because they do not like the moves being made. The young player development is also in shambles in this organization. Culture is the issue, and not a missing magical right wing for the 1st line

Like he fixed in Vancouver? Or how he dragged this team and it's culture out of the Dark Ages country club years?
Messier is a f***ing legend, but he has not been really relevant to hockey, or involved in successful organizational outcomes, for over 25 years...

 

[zlev]

Being serious here...

Can someone honestly explain what has happened to this team in just about 6 months?

This team was a couple of goals away from being in the Cup finals, and now they're an absolute mess that feels like it's miles away from Cup contention.

I understand that Shesterkin was out of his mind in the 2024 playoffs, but that doesn't explain the rest of the team and how insanely poorly they are playing in front of him vs last year. Was losing Goodrow that much of a killer to chemistry?

And what was it so necessary to trade Trouba? I understand he's a shell defensively to what he was a few seasons ago, but he's still your captain and pretty much the only player with grit in the lineup. Did you really need the cap space that badly midseason?

I just don't get the moves nor how there could be such a huge dropoff in play from essentially the same team in only a few months.

Is there an insightful/objective explanation to all the reasons for this other than the simpleton "Drury sucks" kind of post...?

The teams results were much better than the sum of its parts last season, both on paper and analytically. They constantly pulled wins out of their ass that they didn't deserve. Laviolette coached the whole season like it was the playoffs. Panarin was out of this world last season at 5v5 and he's merely been fine this year. The team gives up way too many high danger chances. Zibanejad and Kreider have regressed majorly. Lindgren has regressed even more after a pretty bad season last year and is weighing down their best defenseman. Drury needed to revamp the defense as early as last trade deadline and still hasn't. On top of all that, they are probably gassed after a long playoff run and a short offseason and there is also probably some kind of mental let down still about coming up short again.

It was necessary to trade Trouba because he was awful and I would argue he didn't play with any grit at all aside from a big stupid hit every 4 months and/or a useless fight. He was a lazy player and absolutely awful at defending. The problem right now is that they didn't have anyone better to replace him and then Miller got hurt.

On top of all that there's all this behind the scenes garbage that doesn't help anything either.

 

[Trxjw]

I would not mind the Rangers bringing in Messier to help fix the culture in this organization. Say what you will, but I just cannot see him putting up with what has transpired this year. These hockey players are millionaires on their 3rd coach and deserve no pass because they do not like the moves being made. The young player development is also in shambles in this organization. Culture is the issue, and not a missing magical right wing for the 1st line

Hard to change culture from the top down. The issues are in the room. Messier isn't going to fix that from an office.

 

[LokiDog]

I’d love to be the guy for the job (duh) but I sort of do wish the team would bring in someone like me who has a special operations military background that also played hockey so they can skate and get on the ice with the guys as well, and fluidly discuss things like puck support, pinching, getting traffic to the net, etc. Someone with a strong enough hockey and military background to speak to both sides at a high level, who can put them through some physical and mental exercises and challenges that are clinically proven to inoculate against stress, enhance resiliency, promote team culture and bring some perspective to the room. It’s a young team. Guys like me are older than the oldest vets on the team. Discussing the things we’ve seen/done on assignments overseas, the way that trusting and taking care of your team isn’t just a game but life or death, the level of fitness and commitment that it takes and the stark contrast in compensation and living conditions that we get, versus the comforts a NYR player is blessed with. Shit, to travel with the team and attend all the practices, spend some time with each guy one on one as well as is in classroom/weightroom/on-ice scenarios… what would it cost the team? $50k? $100k? Could it POSSIBLY hurt? I feel like it definitely COULD help.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

#FreeKakko

#Kakkony2012

 

[mike14]

I’d love to be the guy for the job (duh) but I sort of do wish the team would bring in someone like me who has a special operations military background that also played hockey so they can skate and get on the ice with the guys as well, but who can put them through some physical and mental exercises and challenges that are clinically proven to inoculate against stress, enhance resiliency, promote team culture and bring some perspective to the room. It’s a young team. Guys like me are older than the oldest vets on the team. Discussing the things we’ve seen/done on assignments overseas, the way that trusting and taking care of your team isn’t just a game but life or death, the level of fitness and commitment that it takes and the stark contrast in compensation and living conditions that we get, versus the comforts a NYR player is blessed with. Shit, to travel with the team and attend all the practices, spend some time with each guy one on one as well as is in classroom/weightroom/on-ice scenarios… what would it cost the team? $50k? Could it POSSIBLY hurt? I feel like it definitely COULD help.

No offense to you as an individual, but if that's anything like the ex-SOCOMD guys (and from the wider Army) down here and what they try to bring to non-military groups, then god no. For every useful one there's about 50 who just tell war-stories that don't relate at all.
Although with the cultural differences it may work better with a predominantly North American audience.

Plus I am very jaded...

 

[Cusedog]

Hard to change culture from the top down. The issues are in the room. Messier isn't going to fix that from an office.

He might install a like-minded coach. I do agree the issues are in the room.

 

[Alluckks]

Christ, never post idiot Daigle stuff or people like that here

 

[JohnC]

I would not mind the Rangers bringing in Messier to help fix the culture in this organization. Say what you will, but I just cannot see him putting up with what has transpired this year. These hockey players are millionaires on their 3rd coach and deserve no pass because they do not like the moves being made. The young player development is also in shambles in this organization. Culture is the issue, and not a missing magical right wing for the 1st line

No better way to fix an allegedly entitled locker room than by bringing in a guy that left
the organization because he wasn’t handed a coaching job!

 

[Trxjw]

He might install a like-minded coach. I do agree the issues are in the room.

I mean I understand the sentiment because the guy is a legend here but I don't know if "Former player with no executive experience" would be the best route to go. We're kinda seeing that show play out in front of us already.

Didn't like the Lavi hire so I wouldn't be at all upset to see him go. That being said, before a replacement is hired, some sort of plan needs to be put in place.

 

[McRanger92]

So is he signing off on trades or is he letting Drury do his own thing? You’re all over the place.

Drury was hired the President and GM of the team. So yes Dolan's approval is implied. You think Drury has gone rouge? There's no indication Dolan is going to fire him.

 

[LokiDog]

No offense to you as an individual, but if that's anything like the ex-SOCOMD guys (and from the wider Army) down here and what they try to bring to non-military groups, then god no. For every useful one there's about 50 who just tell war-stories that don't relate at all.
Although with the cultural differences it may work better with a predominantly North American audience.

Plus I am very jaded...

Not what I have in mind - I’m not looking for someone to brag about their military resume. I’m looking for someone who could serve as a special operations instructor - actually, preferably with an instructor background - to utilize genuine teaching methods and tested, proven exercises while also being a fresh voice who can share some life perspective, especially with these young guys. They’re almost universally like 32 or younger and for most of them hockey has been their life experience. A voice from outside couldn’t hurt.

 

[McRanger92]

Being serious here...

Can someone honestly explain what has happened to this team in just about 6 months?

This team was a couple of goals away from being in the Cup finals, and now they're an absolute mess that feels like it's miles away from Cup contention.

I understand that Shesterkin was out of his mind in the 2024 playoffs, but that doesn't explain the rest of the team and how insanely poorly they are playing in front of him vs last year. Was losing Goodrow that much of a killer to chemistry?

And what was it so necessary to trade Trouba? I understand he's a shell defensively to what he was a few seasons ago, but he's still your captain and pretty much the only player with grit in the lineup. Did you really need the cap space that badly midseason?

I just don't get the moves nor how there could be such a huge dropoff in play from essentially the same team in only a few months.

Is there an insightful/objective explanation to all the reasons for this other than the simpleton "Drury sucks" kind of post...?

Objectively, yes Goodrow and Trouba needed to go. They werent living up to their contracts and the Rangers had clearly reached their ceiling with this roster.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Do Something, Kakko!: Kakko's Last Stand - In this made-for-TV film that follows the events of the show's finale six months ago, we discover that Kaapo has retired from professional hockey and now runs a taco truck stand with his friends Filip and Alexis, both of whom also quit hockey in solidarity.

Following Kakko's Last Stand, be sure to catch the premiere of SJ Law, from the makers of LA Law. Starring Jimmy Smits.

Only on NBC, an MSG company.

Make Something, Kakko, the post retirement spinoff

 

[LOFIN]

Christ, never post idiot Daigle stuff or people like that here

My guess: Dangle’s source was Alan Walsh

 

[Cusedog]

Like he fixed in Vancouver? Or how he dragged this team and it's culture out of the Dark Ages country club years?
Messier is a f***ing legend, but he has not been really relevant to hockey, or involved in successful organizational outcomes, for over 25 years...

Yeah, my post was out of frustration for the pathetic product on the ice right now. I prefer it is not be the same batch of retreads the circulate NHL front offices for an eternity.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

It sounds cliche, but there’s no alpha dog leader in the room. If you’re Drury, you need to move heaven and earth to get that guy in the room. I’m not going to act like I know who would even be available, but we need to be turning over every rock.