Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[duhmetreE]

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Kakko and KAM the vanilla twins who will want significant raises…..

KAM is on pace for 18 pts and Kakko is on pace for around 40.

I don't see crazy raises. Both should come in around $4M

 

[bigdog16]

A solid point per game defensively responsible 1st line center??

Sign me up

At 1st overall you should expect a superstar. Doesn’t always happen (obviously).

And Hischier has never had a PPG season in his career.

Isn’t he closer to Hughes?

No. Hes a tier behind Celebrini

 

[Barnaby]

The problem isn’t them playing better. At this point, it’s nearly impossible not to play better.

Are they good enough to win? That’s a resounding, no. We all knew it going into the season.

Drury failed miserably in the offseason.

Lavi failed miserably with system changes

The players are failing miserably at a level I haven’t seen before.

I think Drury’s plan revolved around trading Trouba, and when Trouba blocked it everything changed. Might answer while he’s a little bitter and why everyone’s got their panties in a twist. He couldn’t make the moves he felt needed to be made. Team probably flabbergasted that major changes were being made despite their accomplishments last year.

 

[Barnaby]

KAM is on pace for 18 pts and Kakko is on pace for around 40.

I don't see crazy raises. Both should come in around $4M

You really want to give Kakko 4 million AAV? He seems like the type of player you could replace with Berard or Othmann on the cheap. Going to need money to rebuild the defense and pay Igor.

 

[duhmetreE]

You really want to give Kakko 4 million AAV? He seems like the type of player you could replace with Berard or Othmann on the cheap. Going to need money to rebuild the defense and pay Igor.

We already have them as cheap options if needed.

Kakko is easily moved with 4M AAV. Short term obviously. Don’t see him getting a long deal. Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem moving him if it makes sense

Everything hinges on dumping Mika.

 

[bleedblue94]

So are people still blaming the players and still making excuses for them at the same time?

 

[bleedblue94]

Entitlement is always a problem around this org, AND then they came into training camp with the roster basically already finalized except for a 4th line spot. why are people surprised by this mess...

 

[Barnaby]

Everything hinges on dumping Mika.

Serious decline. Five years left after this one. I’ve seen some unexpected trades in the past, but that’s a tough one. Money doesn’t drop until the last couple years. That doesn’t even count the NMC that drops to a 21 team no trade list in 29-30.

Not sure there’s going to be many options here…

 

[Kravtsov420]

I didn't ask about Lavi's average longevity. I asked why he lost his teams.

Drury has not only failed to create a genuine contender, he has created a massive mess. The rotten culture is the work of management (Drury) because management preferred easy wins to the real work of building a winner.

No need to put lipstick on this pig.

The rotten culture predated wayyyy before Drury. We’re talking about lack of accountability and that started with AV. They said Quinn was going to be accountable and he was the biggest fraud there was. There hasn’t been a coach to preach accountability since Torts. Regardless of his strategy was viable long term or not.

My only gripe with Drury that’s realistic is that Trouba should have been moved as soon as that became public.

Otherwise, the rotten culture started way before him. The placating to the vets and the division between old and young players. At the end of the day, it’s not based on merit and players smell that from a mile away

 

[Shesterkybomb]

5 days before the roster freeze..

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

To me this season was doomed before it even started.

We all knew this core was good enough to compete but not great enough the win it all.

When they ran it back I felt the players knew that too and once they faced a mid season challenge they threw up their hands and gave up early.

I wouldn’t fire the coach right now. It should happen but only after some players are moved. Sell at the deadline. They’ll be more value coming back then.

There’s little reason to try and inspire this core with yet another new coaching staff this season, it’s wasted motivation.

Let it play out, make some changes, collect some draft capital, reassess & retool in the summer and find a new coach and staff coming in fresh from training camp onward.

You could can Lavy and make one of the assistants the interim until the end of the year - that’s another route but I kinda want to see this whole group go down to the ocean floor together.

Oh, and instruct Lav that you are pulling the strings with some lineup decisions and bench Mika/pull him from PP1.

 

[zlev]

i think the narrative that "this is the 3rd coach the players tuned out" is somewhat incorrect. Quinn was an awful coach, they were probably right to tune him out. Gallant was fired because of a disagreement with Drury. Drury gave him an ill equipped roster so he could make a PR splash by trading for an injured Patrick Kane. the team lost to the Devils because they weren't good enough to beat them. the fact that they got that series to 7 games to me showed they had more heart and grit than skill. Laviolette has long been a buffoon of a coach, especially since he lost that awesome Flyers team midseason back in the early 10's. the roster still isn't good enough but that is 100% Drury's fault. he has been a shitstain on this organization.

 

[SA16]

if the players have tuned out the coaching staff then how is it that two weeks ago they switched to using a 1-2-2 instead of a 1-3-1 and the players executed it at such a level that the reporters even noticed the change in play style and asked the coach about it?

 

[TheDirtyH]

I think the main reason Laviolette hasn't been fired yet is that it would reflect very poorly on Drury to cycle through 3 coaches in 4 seasons, not because 'it wouldn't fix anything.' That's never been a reason for GMs not to fire a coach.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Fire the gm...new guy brings his coaches is the only way. Imo the coach hasnt been fired because of this, Dolan likely told Drury ill give you til lets say christmas and if things havent shifted you're gone and the next gm picks the new coaches. Then move kreider, lindgren and if you can Mika. Target speed and forechecking up front and defensive ability down back.

 

[bobbop]

A lot of the reason Laviolette has lost teams is that he preaches a strict 1-3-1 and players don’t like playing that style. It’s kneecapped many coaches. You get one good season and then things go south.

Don’t help that he’s a hardass either.

 

[SA16]

A lot of the reason Laviolette has lost teams is that he preaches a strict 1-3-1 and players don’t like playing that style. It’s kneecapped many coaches. You get one good season and then things go south.

Don’t help that he’s a hardass either.

Yea this doesn't make sense. So his 1-3-1 style works so well the first season that the players then revolt in the second season despite seeing the success that system brought? I don't think so.

 

[Vitto79]

Soooo Kakko dealt ?

Somethings gotta give real soon

 

[RangersFan1994]

It seems obvious that the team morale is lost and is being mixed with players that are just not that good anymore to culminate in what you’re seeing.

Not sure Drury can do much in the short term. Maybe we’ll see another move after the roster freeze but the options are limited in season

#NYRTANKFORHAGENS HE ALREADY HAS CHEMISTRY WITH PERREAULT AND IS A CENTER

 

[UnSandvich]

#NYRTANKFORHAGENS HE ALREADY HAS CHEMISTRY WITH PERREAULT AND IS A CENTER

I think your capslock key is broken buddy

 

[Rangers in 7]

There’s a reason we’ve won 1 cup in 85 years lol

 

[Fitzy]

There’s a reason we’ve won 1 cup in 85 years lol

I mean we've been run/owned by a few people, so more thn 1 consecutive reason