Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[McRanger92]

How about merch? I bet sales are down.

Fingers crossed my Urho Vaakanainen jersey arrives before Christmas

Staple had the knives out specifically for Laf after the Devils series saying he had off ice issues and if I’m remembering it right was the originator of the whole “Lafreniere needs to put away the golf clubs during the summer”thing.

Funny that Staple would say that considering the team he used to cover is infamous for the amount of golf they play on Long Island. But no one cares about the Islanders so its a non issue.

 

[B17 Apricots]

The on goal they scored against NJ on the PP where Kreider tried the between the legs pass across the crease to Mika. Congrat on getting lucky, but why even attempt that. They only scored because it turned into a broken play. Simplify the f***ing game fellas. I bet they were real pleased with themselves during their iPad paddy cake session on the bench though.

He did have a great assist here though

 

[McRanger92]

He did have a great assist here though

Great job clearing the crease in front. Too bad it was his own man . Hat tip to Lindgren for not even putting up a fight when he started getting pushed from behind. A self respecting team would scratch both guys tonight but Mika will lead the team in ice time instead.

 

[LOFIN]

"Taking a deep dive into Ryan Lindgren's game"

That's like diving into a pool of shit!

 

[McRanger92]

"Taking a deep dive into Ryan Lindgren's game"

That's like diving into a pool of shit!

"He sucks" saved you a click

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Great job clearing the crease in front. Too bad it was his own man . Hat tip to Lindgren for not even putting up a fight when he started getting pushed from behind. A self respecting team would scratch both guys tonight but Mika will lead the team in ice time insinstead

three things...
1. Smith making that pass into traffic tells you all you need to know about this team. They refuse to play north south even when it's literally the only option. Dump the puck in ffs.

2. Zibanejad for the 2nd game in a row makes a lazy soft pass behind the net.

3. Why is Mika covering Lindgren?

 

[NYR Viper]

"He sucks" saved you a click

I truly don't think 'he sucks' but he is clearly having a bad season and I'm not sure he is completely healthy at this point. That or he is behind the curve conditioning/strength-wise due to his injury to start the season.

Lindgren has many qualities teams prefer. He's tough, he blocks shots, he backs down from absolutely no one. In fairness to him, he should be making about $2.5m and playing on the bottom pairing and primary PKer. In that role, I could see him doing pretty well on more than a few teams around the league.

Just not in NY where the default is to play him with Fox and hope they can work it out playing 20+ minutes a night.

 

[bernmeister]

1. Fox, NYR 2027 2nd
for
Pinto, Kleven, Grieg OTT 2029 1st + cap dump Harmonic
cap dif is 9.5 - approx a little under 7; OTT has 4.8 space so it covers

Kleven plays either side, big D, elc
pivot depth
structural cap relief

Sens get RD partner for Sanderson


2. Shesty 1.5 retained this season + extension, = 4.1+ cap hit here, KAM 3.8+ cap hit, + Grieg <1 cap hit, Smith 3.7cap hit, + and Rs 2025 1st unprotected
_________ total cap ballpark = 12.6
for
Byfield 6.2+ cap hit, + Jakub Dvorak, < 1 elc, Helenius <1 elc + LAK 2025 and 2027 1sts
_________ total cap ballpark = 8-ish, LA has extensive cap room for the 4+ dif

LA - big get is Shesty, NOW. Grieg is a former late 1st and a bit more developed at than fellow pivot Helenius, KAM more developed and ready now comp to Dvorak; Smith = short term useful F

Rs - Byfield pairs w/Kreider + best fit for RW, next season likely Gabe P
Dvorak another LD w/size, hopefully ready soon
Helenius is another huge F who can also pivot

--------------------
Do Zib at half to VAN just to get rid of him
Zib + Vesey + Harmonic + Carrick
for
Raty, Juulsen + acceptable cap dump if nec

----------------------
deal Lindy

=========================

Garand + Quick + Dom

Kreider - Byfield - Pinto
LaF - Tro - bread
Cuylle - Chytil/Brodz - KK
Eds - Raty/Helenius - Rempe

Kleven - Schneid
Jones - Mancini
Vaak - Juulsen
Dvorak

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I truly don't think 'he sucks' but he is clearly having a bad season and I'm not sure he is completely healthy at this point. That or he is behind the curve conditioning/strength-wise due to his injury to start the season.

Lindgren has many qualities teams prefer. He's tough, he blocks shots, he backs down from absolutely no one. In fairness to him, he should be making about $2.5m and playing on the bottom pairing and primary PKer. In that role, I could see him doing pretty well on more than a few teams around the league.

Just not in NY where the default is to play him with Fox and hope they can work it out playing 20+ minutes a night.

I love his heart and what he's done for us but I think injuries are piling up and affecting his game. When I played i ended up with a bad sacroliliac joint, it affected my skating, I'd have good days and bad days with it, good days I felt like I was 18 again, the bad days 60. I can only imagine all the issues he's dealing with and it's obvious he's not the same player. Imo if you can move him do it, we cant resign him so get something while you can.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I truly don't think 'he sucks' but he is clearly having a bad season and I'm not sure he is completely healthy at this point. That or he is behind the curve conditioning/strength-wise due to his injury to start the season.

Lindgren has many qualities teams prefer. He's tough, he blocks shots, he backs down from absolutely no one. In fairness to him, he should be making about $2.5m and playing on the bottom pairing and primary PKer. In that role, I could see him doing pretty well on more than a few teams around the league.

Just not in NY where the default is to play him with Fox and hope they can work it out playing 20+ minutes a night.

The injury thing doesn’t really hold because he was bad last year too. He’s even worse this year.

He’s been below average to very bad on the PK for most of the last calendar year too.

Shayna slayed him in the kindest way possible but everything she said was spot on.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Lindgren sucks, we don’t have to pretend anymore. He sucks and he has for a while

 

[will1066]

I truly don't think 'he sucks' but he is clearly having a bad season and I'm not sure he is completely healthy at this point. That or he is behind the curve conditioning/strength-wise due to his injury to start the season.

Lindgren has many qualities teams prefer. He's tough, he blocks shots, he backs down from absolutely no one. In fairness to him, he should be making about $2.5m and playing on the bottom pairing and primary PKer. In that role, I could see him doing pretty well on more than a few teams around the league.

Just not in NY where the default is to play him with Fox and hope they can work it out playing 20+ minutes a night.

I don't know anymore. Rangers are not the only team that deals with injuries, conditioning, what have you. Lots of, if not the majority, players across the league have to play with nagging issues. And that so many of us remark that this or that player isn't really bad and would be better playing elsewhere says something about this team.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don't know anymore. Rangers are not the only team that deals with injuries, conditioning, what have you. Lots of, if not the majority, players across the league have to play with nagging issues. And that so many of us remark that this or that player isn't really bad and would be better playing elsewhere says something about this team.

Does it or does it say something about a pessmistic fanbase that they think we have the most toxic team in the NHL or something.

 

[Lion Hound]

1. Fox, NYR 2027 2nd
for
Pinto, Kleven, Grieg OTT 2029 1st + cap dump Harmonic
cap dif is 9.5 - approx a little under 7; OTT has 4.8 space so it covers

Kleven plays either side, big D, elc
pivot depth
structural cap relief

Sens get RD partner for Sanderson


2. Shesty 1.5 retained this season + extension, = 4.1+ cap hit here, KAM 3.8+ cap hit, + Grieg <1 cap hit, Smith 3.7cap hit, + and Rs 2025 1st unprotected
_________ total cap ballpark = 12.6
for
Byfield 6.2+ cap hit, + Jakub Dvorak, < 1 elc, Helenius <1 elc + LAK 2025 and 2027 1sts
_________ total cap ballpark = 8-ish, LA has extensive cap room for the 4+ dif

LA - big get is Shesty, NOW. Grieg is a former late 1st and a bit more developed at than fellow pivot Helenius, KAM more developed and ready now comp to Dvorak; Smith = short term useful F

Rs - Byfield pairs w/Kreider + best fit for RW, next season likely Gabe P
Dvorak another LD w/size, hopefully ready soon
Helenius is another huge F who can also pivot

--------------------
Do Zib at half to VAN just to get rid of him
Zib + Vesey + Harmonic + Carrick
for
Raty, Juulsen + acceptable cap dump if nec

----------------------
deal Lindy

=========================

Garand + Quick + Dom

Kreider - Byfield - Pinto
LaF - Tro - bread
Cuylle - Chytil/Brodz - KK
Eds - Raty/Helenius - Rempe

Kleven - Schneid
Jones - Mancini
Vaak - Juulsen
Dvorak

Byfield is another perimer player with no bite to his game. Want no part of him on broadway. Thats one C the Rangers need to stay far away from. He would get sucked right into being the next heel here in NY.

 

[Raspewtin]

1. Fox, NYR 2027 2nd
for
Pinto, Kleven, Grieg OTT 2029 1st + cap dump Harmonic
cap dif is 9.5 - approx a little under 7; OTT has 4.8 space so it covers

Kleven plays either side, big D, elc
pivot depth
structural cap relief

Sens get RD partner for Sanderson


2. Shesty 1.5 retained this season + extension, = 4.1+ cap hit here, KAM 3.8+ cap hit, + Grieg <1 cap hit, Smith 3.7cap hit, + and Rs 2025 1st unprotected
_________ total cap ballpark = 12.6
for
Byfield 6.2+ cap hit, + Jakub Dvorak, < 1 elc, Helenius <1 elc + LAK 2025 and 2027 1sts
_________ total cap ballpark = 8-ish, LA has extensive cap room for the 4+ dif

LA - big get is Shesty, NOW. Grieg is a former late 1st and a bit more developed at than fellow pivot Helenius, KAM more developed and ready now comp to Dvorak; Smith = short term useful F

Rs - Byfield pairs w/Kreider + best fit for RW, next season likely Gabe P
Dvorak another LD w/size, hopefully ready soon
Helenius is another huge F who can also pivot

--------------------
Do Zib at half to VAN just to get rid of him
Zib + Vesey + Harmonic + Carrick
for
Raty, Juulsen + acceptable cap dump if nec

----------------------
deal Lindy

=========================

Garand + Quick + Dom

Kreider - Byfield - Pinto
LaF - Tro - bread
Cuylle - Chytil/Brodz - KK
Eds - Raty/Helenius - Rempe

Kleven - Schneid
Jones - Mancini
Vaak - Juulsen
Dvorak

the Fox deal is so f***ing bad I don't even have words

 

[will1066]

Does it or does it say something about a pessmistic fanbase that they think we have the most toxic team in the NHL or something.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

1. Fox, NYR 2027 2nd
for
Pinto, Kleven, Grieg OTT 2029 1st + cap dump Harmonic
cap dif is 9.5 - approx a little under 7; OTT has 4.8 space so it covers

Kleven plays either side, big D, elc
pivot depth
structural cap relief

Sens get RD partner for Sanderson


2. Shesty 1.5 retained this season + extension, = 4.1+ cap hit here, KAM 3.8+ cap hit, + Grieg <1 cap hit, Smith 3.7cap hit, + and Rs 2025 1st unprotected
_________ total cap ballpark = 12.6
for
Byfield 6.2+ cap hit, + Jakub Dvorak, < 1 elc, Helenius <1 elc + LAK 2025 and 2027 1sts
_________ total cap ballpark = 8-ish, LA has extensive cap room for the 4+ dif

LA - big get is Shesty, NOW. Grieg is a former late 1st and a bit more developed at than fellow pivot Helenius, KAM more developed and ready now comp to Dvorak; Smith = short term useful F

Rs - Byfield pairs w/Kreider + best fit for RW, next season likely Gabe P
Dvorak another LD w/size, hopefully ready soon
Helenius is another huge F who can also pivot

--------------------
Do Zib at half to VAN just to get rid of him
Zib + Vesey + Harmonic + Carrick
for
Raty, Juulsen + acceptable cap dump if nec

----------------------
deal Lindy

=========================

Garand + Quick + Dom

Kreider - Byfield - Pinto
LaF - Tro - bread
Cuylle - Chytil/Brodz - KK
Eds - Raty/Helenius - Rempe

Kleven - Schneid
Jones - Mancini
Vaak - Juulsen
Dvorak

What is going on here we just signed Igor to a full nmc lol

 

[bhamill]

That's another thing, some of the returns being floated out are like "nah tho."

I would absolutely keep a 23 year old Lafreniere over Tkachuk.

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Lafreniere is a really good player. His defense is improving and he drives 5v5 offense like crazy. He plays with an edge. He's 23 and has a really good contract. He's a non-starter for me unless it was something stupid like McDavid that would never happen.

YUP. PLUS... Laf has 4 years more than Brady before UFA. This year his cap hit is 6mil less than Brady, next two years about 800K less, then the next four years? Brady prob gets 11 mil at least as a UFA. Laf will be about 4mil less cap hit for those 4 years.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You can think the team sucks but it's a special kind of pessimism thinking it's something above bad players and we're special in how we turn good players into bad.

 

[Lion Hound]

I'll read Staple for game stories, but he's no Larry Brooks. Nothing he says or suggests ever happens. He should just go back to the Islanders full-time.

I love Avery's analysis.

Feel like every piece he writes has a bitter angle from an Islander fans POV on the Rangers

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We just need to rid ourselves of the dead weight. Lindgren, Zibanejad and Vesey. Sit Kreider til he's healthy and or trade him with Zibanejad if it changes his mind on his nmc. Anaheim or San Jose wound likely make sense. Unfortunately I'd trade Chytil too, only because he's always a hit away from being out.

 

[McRanger92]

I truly don't think 'he sucks' but he is clearly having a bad season and I'm not sure he is completely healthy at this point. That or he is behind the curve conditioning/strength-wise due to his injury to start the season.

Lindgren has many qualities teams prefer. He's tough, he blocks shots, he backs down from absolutely no one. In fairness to him, he should be making about $2.5m and playing on the bottom pairing and primary PKer. In that role, I could see him doing pretty well on more than a few teams around the league.

Just not in NY where the default is to play him with Fox and hope they can work it out playing 20+ minutes a night.

He hasnt been completely healthy since the Covid years. And I know you are trying to be diplomatic and nice, but Lindgren gets knocked down by the refs and his own teammates more than he knocks down opposing players. teams leave him wide open in the OZ and double team Fox. It's an existential issue to the Rangers and he needs to go.

three things...
1. Smith making that pass into traffic tells you all you need to know about this team. They refuse to play north south even when it's literally the only option. Dump the puck in ffs.

2. Zibanejad for the 2nd game in a row makes a lazy soft pass behind the net.

3. Why is Mika covering Lindgren?

Vince and Mollie should ask Laviolette that maybe. Just a thought.

 

[CLW]

He hasnt been completely healthy since the Covid years. And I know you are trying to be diplomatic and nice, but Lindgren gets knocked down by the refs and his own teammates more than he knocks down opposing players. teams leave him wide open in the OZ and double team Fox. It's an existential issue to the Rangers and he needs to go.



Vince and Mollie should ask Laviolette that maybe. Just a thought.

Whoever keeps putting Lindgren next to Fox needs to go too. If it's Fox then that's more country club nonsense. If it's Lavi it's dereliction of duty. If it's the GM then screw him for tampering...

 

[ThePeoplesPeople]

1. Fox, NYR 2027 2nd
for
Pinto, Kleven, Grieg OTT 2029 1st + cap dump Harmonic
cap dif is 9.5 - approx a little under 7; OTT has 4.8 space so it covers

Kleven plays either side, big D, elc
pivot depth
structural cap relief

Sens get RD partner for Sanderson


2. Shesty 1.5 retained this season + extension, = 4.1+ cap hit here, KAM 3.8+ cap hit, + Grieg <1 cap hit, Smith 3.7cap hit, + and Rs 2025 1st unprotected
_________ total cap ballpark = 12.6
for
Byfield 6.2+ cap hit, + Jakub Dvorak, < 1 elc, Helenius <1 elc + LAK 2025 and 2027 1sts
_________ total cap ballpark = 8-ish, LA has extensive cap room for the 4+ dif

LA - big get is Shesty, NOW. Grieg is a former late 1st and a bit more developed at than fellow pivot Helenius, KAM more developed and ready now comp to Dvorak; Smith = short term useful F

Rs - Byfield pairs w/Kreider + best fit for RW, next season likely Gabe P
Dvorak another LD w/size, hopefully ready soon
Helenius is another huge F who can also pivot

--------------------
Do Zib at half to VAN just to get rid of him
Zib + Vesey + Harmonic + Carrick
for
Raty, Juulsen + acceptable cap dump if nec

----------------------
deal Lindy

=========================

Garand + Quick + Dom

Kreider - Byfield - Pinto
LaF - Tro - bread
Cuylle - Chytil/Brodz - KK
Eds - Raty/Helenius - Rempe

Kleven - Schneid
Jones - Mancini
Vaak - Juulsen
Dvorak

Good grief

 

[Kupo]

the Fox deal is so f***ing bad I don't even have words

It's straight up cringeworthy.