Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[McRanger92]

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Mika for Miller if Mika would waive his NMC would be something else.

I have always liked JT going back to the deadline rumors in 2022. He’s the type A personality they need. Ideally he could be swapped for Mika but I’d trade any of our core guys for him.

 

[Boris Zubov]

BRING BACK BOZO !

Wow, even Ed is on board! You know it's the right move.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Lol it's hardly hype, just pointing out that he gets quite excessively dragged for what he is (edit - see post above, that's just uncalled for). I've never expected him to become a true elite player in the league or anything.

Eh - don't get too caught up in it. No need to sell Zegras short. I don't care that he can do a Michigan or the alley-oop thing.. that isn't why I like the kid. Simply put, he has a tremendous amount of talent. And you generally shouldn't bet against players like that.

For every star that's come into the league already playing at that level, there's another one that took several years to hit that mark. And funny enough Zegras kinda did, the kid notched two 60 point seasons right off the bat. Look at Sam Reinhart. That guy just hit 57 goals and +90 points last year. He wasnt at that level in his early 20s. Or Zibanejad or JT Miller... you could name a ton of players.

I don't understand for a website that was originally called Hockey's Future why people still have such a hard time trying to project a particular player down the line. Obviously you're not always going to be right, and not every player is going to be a star. But the sort of talent Zegras has, those guys usually become high level players. People here on our own boards said Lafreniere wouldn't fetch a mid round pick.

Let's be honest, not all but most Zegras hate comes in 2 categories. 1, they see the flashy stuff and they simply don't like it. 2, it's the charts and metrics folk that see the numbers for his injured prior season along with his early struggles this year and simply determine he's a bum. There's really not a lot of thought in it, they just say whatever the almighty chart tells them to at the moment.

Now if you want to argue that maybe you don't think he fits the team stylistically or something like that then that's one thing... but to pretend the kid sucks I have to disagree with

 

[effen]

Quinn also had no clue what he was doing in the NHL. "Don't stickhandle" has to be one of the more ridiculous things these players have heard.

If you think about the anecdote for half a second, that's a frustration response to guys stick handling excessively in those spots in practice to the point he felt like he had to take their toys away.

 

[eco's bones]

Yes. Don’t get me wrong, if we can buy low on Zegras we should do it. To my mind, though, Kakko is the better more complete player, the player I want for THIS team, even if Zegras can pick it back up. And this is not even taking into consideration that Kakko may turn out to be a center…

Agree on all of that. The caveat is I don't think either Drury/Laviolette believe this team still can't turn things around this year and I don't think they'll look at Zegras as a guy necessarily who can really be a positive contributor right now......certainly not in the way that Kreider could anyway.

 

[NYR Viper]

I know the latest push on these boards is high effort guys, and I agree that the team needs more of that, but we also need to be cognizant of the fact that if Drury can pull a rabbit out of his hat and trade Zibanejad and find a suitable return for Kreider, the teams overall skill level will drop. In that scenario, I’d consider opening talks with Panarin to re-sign and gauge what he wants because if he also leaves at the end of next year, the next thing we will be clamoring for is more skill.

 

[CLW]

I'd take Gibson as a stop gap instead of overpaying Igor.

This.

 

[n8]

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Bern, those look terrible. The roster looks worse than what we have now. I think you forgot JTM had his own mental breakdown and is fully out on mental holiday. Also I don't even understand your LA deal. Is it an extended Shesty AND Miller for only Byfield? I know you have a big stiffy for QB but you're severely undervaluing Shesty's market value there. Maybe I'm just missing a piece but you didn't put the actual deal at the top like normal. Can't get in your head. Don't want to

Canucks leading goal scorer Miller taking leave

Canucks leading goal scorer J.T. Miller is taking a leave of absence for personal reasons.

www.espn.com

 

[eco's bones]

Yeah and when David Quinn was trying to teach young players to play "the right way" at the expense of points we complained.

Who are the 'we'? I think Quinn's time with the Rangers had run its course by the time he was fired but I don't think he was or is as terrible as most of the fans on this forum think. He wasn't dealt much of a hand as far as personnel but several key players blossomed or began to blossom under him. As far as Kakko goes---he should not have played with us the year he was drafted. He wasn't ready and IMO it might have hurt his progress. Whatever.....I do think it did hurt his confidence and his confidence has been a battle for him ever since or at least up until this year. The reason Kakko sticks in his draft year though is probably more because there was too much pressure on Quinn and his staff to put the No. 2 overall pick and potential team savior on the team right off the bat from fans/media/the gm etc....and that's something that happens a lot with the bottom feeders of the league. Some of these top 2/3 picks are ready to go right off and some of them just aren't but when a team is thin the pressure is going to be there to play them right away.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Drury can’t get over Miller it’s hilarious

Also the Athletic says that if Sully gets fired in Pittsburgh, Drury could do whatever it takes to have him coach the Rangers next year

 

[IDvsEGO]

I have always liked JT going back to the deadline rumors in 2022. He’s the type A personality they need. Ideally he could be swapped for Mika but I’d trade any of our core guys for him.

What about Miller's time in NYC has him as a Type A personality?
I'm happy he's done alot better for himself in Vancouver, but to need to be traded twice to actually put care about his game isn't exactly a Type A.

 

[McRanger92]

What about Miller's time in NYC has him as a Type A personality?
I'm happy he's done alot better for himself in Vancouver, but to need to be traded twice to actually put care about his game isn't exactly a Type A.

I think the Rangers traded him partly because he was so full of himself. Anecdotally it makes sense. The Rangers have an entire team of guys who can’t be bothered to care, I don’t give a crap what it took JT to get there

 

[Mac n Gs]

I’m finding myself stuck in a similar spot looking at this team as I was after the embarrassing loss in the 2023 playoffs. I wrote this after that loss, and it still seems like they’re plagued with similar issues.

Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

I just don't want BO get the KK and LaF treatment. Top prospects that got shoved into the 3rd line and it stunted them. Also, BOs game I think would play better with Krieder and Tro, and we have all want Chytil with Bread for 2 years 100%, but given GG record with rookies/young guys he’ll...

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There’s a top-down problem in the organization, and more still needs to be done to rectify it. The sentimental part of me wants to see a homegrown guy like Kreider hit these milestones and break the Rangers record. The jaded fan in me is done watching this core putz around like their shit doesn’t stink and that they deserve so much leeway after not winning shit.

Kreider and Trouba both recognize that teams are picking apart their flaws? Well, guess what, it’s been the same shit under 3 different coaches and the common denominator is the players. There’s a proper way to play in the modern NHL, and the Rangers simply refuse to get with the program.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I think the Rangers traded him partly because he was so full of himself. Anecdotally it makes sense. The Rangers have an entire team of guys who can’t be bothered to care, I don’t give a crap what it took JT to get there

I'm pretty sure Miller admitted in multiple articles that "he had to be traded twice to actually care about what he put in his body, and really do off season training"

You can make the argument "he's full of himself" because he didn't think he needed actual off season routines and working out. but that's not really a type A personality. If Miller was a type A personality he wouldn't have needed MULTIPLE kicks in the ass to motivate himself.

Mackinnon is a clear type A. the guy who's not satisfied by his results and improves without direction.
McD is a type A.

 

[Boris Zubov]

What about Miller's time in NYC has him as a Type A personality?
I'm happy he's done alot better for himself in Vancouver, but to need to be traded twice to actually put care about his game isn't exactly a Type A.

All this post says is you haven't watched him play that much in Vancouver.

 

[IDvsEGO]

All this post says is you haven't watched him play that much in Vancouver.

I haven't watched a ton of Vancouver games.
That doesn't make my point invalid.
I'm pointing out that a person isn't a Type A simply because they play hard.
Type A's are self starters, constantly chasing self improvement and never satisfied.

That does not fit JT Miller's career.

 

[B17 Apricots]

I know the latest push on these boards is high effort guys, and I agree that the team needs more of that, but we also need to be cognizant of the fact that if Drury can pull a rabbit out of his hat and trade Zibanejad and find a suitable return for Kreider, the teams overall skill level will drop. In that scenario, I’d consider opening talks with Panarin to re-sign and gauge what he wants because if he also leaves at the end of next year, the next thing we will be clamoring for is more skill.

Exactly... even with Mika and Kreider on the roster, are they the high end skill guys right now? Not really. Hopefully they turn it around. What happens if we can't keep Panarin when his deal is done? Who's the high end skill? Probably Laffy. Perreault? I have huge hopes for him but he's still a prospect. Guys like Othmann, Kakko, Cuylle, Berard, etc... I like them, but are they gonna be the point per game guys? Probably not. If we look a year or 2 down the line, we should have solid meat and potatoes types. What we might need is to find another 1 or 2 high end skill types. Zegras checks that box for me

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I'm pretty sure Miller admitted in multiple articles that "he had to be traded twice to actually care about what he put in his body, and really do off season training"

You can make the argument "he's full of himself" because he didn't think he needed actual off season routines and working out. but that's not really a type A personality. If Miller was a type A personality he wouldn't have needed MULTIPLE kicks in the ass to motivate himself.

Mackinnon is a clear type A. the guy who's not satisfied by his results and improves without direction.
McD is a type A.

yeah miller is a beta at best and a delta at worst. we need sigmas alpha’s and yogurt males. just look at mika, he’s a typical gamma male, we have too many gammas, betas, and scrimblos

 

[IDvsEGO]

yeah miller is a beta at best and a delta at worst. we need sigmas alpha’s and yogurt males. just look at mika, he’s a typical gamma male, we have too many gammas, betas, and scrimblos

My eyes just bleed reading this.

 

[Bob Richards]

yeah miller is a beta at best and a delta at worst. we need sigmas alpha’s and yogurt males. just look at mika, he’s a typical gamma male, we have too many gammas, betas, and scrimblos

Showing this post to Chris Drury and immediately watching him succumb to an aneurysm

 

[The Crypto Guy]

If Chytil gets hurt sure but regardless of what Kakko does he’s always going to be seen as a 2nd overall disappointment.

If you can get a good haul he’s gone

Maybe for you. But thankfully that’s not a real criteria for what gets players traded or not.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Showing this post to Chris Drury and immediately watching him succumb to an aneurysm

he would just confirm his beta male-ness

 

[GAGLine]

I know the latest push on these boards is high effort guys, and I agree that the team needs more of that, but we also need to be cognizant of the fact that if Drury can pull a rabbit out of his hat and trade Zibanejad and find a suitable return for Kreider, the teams overall skill level will drop. In that scenario, I’d consider opening talks with Panarin to re-sign and gauge what he wants because if he also leaves at the end of next year, the next thing we will be clamoring for is more skill.

I'm not at all concerned about losing Panarin or this team's overall skill level. He isn't an 11.6 mil player in the playoffs. I'd much rather have two 6 mil players who actually play to that level in the playoffs.

Will Cuylle doesn't have anywhere close to the skill level of Panarin, yet he has just as many EV points.

 

[Alluckks]

Trouba might be the most checked out and non-caring player right that I have ever seen, let alone from a captain. It is honestly incredible. The team tried to trade him in the summer and he just decided he is quiet quitting. The entire locker room of vets has followed suit. This is a sad and sorry excuse for a team right now. Just gut the vets with a fish hook and be done with it. Pathetic.

 

[bernmeister]

Go ahead and lay out what your defense looks like after you trade one of the 3 good defensemen we have for Noah Juulsen, should be entertaining.

Zib is more than difficult to move, all of this fantasy that he'll wave his clause is just that, fantasy.

You will not control the narrative here, as you falsely represent that IF zib agreed to move it would not be worth it.

He might refuse regardless, but there is a basis to think that he'd schmooze well w/EPetterssen, get out from under here, and 'nucks are legit cup contenders
hence this should be explored

getting rid of zib overrides other considerations here, including that we ripped open our D to do it
replacing a quality D w/reasonable stopgap is easier than getting out from under Mika's 8.5 w/nmc

again, be embarrassed to the pt of humiliation for demonstrating a constant need to hoist me off my own petard -- good luck w/that -- then apparently being able to accurately assess a situation in totality of factors

I don’t engage much in the trade discussions. Right now between the Zegras chatter and Kreider chatter I’m just keeping to myself and enjoying the games.

Those are two of my favorite players , on my teams now. So rather just not get into the discussion.

We know Leo goes there ^, except as a favor to bern he will address if/when there are scenarios that might suggest Helleson to nyr

I think it’s being under discussed that there’s some locker room turmoil going on. Not exactly sure what it is but Brooks has brought up multiple times how the last week of training camp something with the team felt “off”. Multiple outlets have said everyone in locker room is walking on eggshells. It’s the least shocking thing ever when you have the Trouba trade drama, Igor contract drama, and whatever is going on with Meeka.

Not to mention the young players who are carrying us being continually passed over. I don’t completely buy that Kakko wants out but where there’s smoke there’s fire. And if the vets are really pushing back against Drury as being too harsh, they are all in for a rude awakening if he’s fired and replaced by someone who hasn’t known them all for a decade.

unless there is any legit substantiation on da bold, it is pure myth
zero reason to think KK wants out at this pt
anyone want to make a counter argument, fine, we all know bern is a champion of competition of ideas
BUT
we need to see some substantiation

Bern, those look terrible. The roster looks worse than what we have now. I think you forgot JTM had his own mental breakdown and is fully out on mental holiday. Also I don't even understand your LA deal. Is it an extended Shesty AND Miller for only Byfield? I know you have a big stiffy for QB but you're severely undervaluing Shesty's market value there. Maybe I'm just missing a piece but you didn't put the actual deal at the top like normal. Can't get in your head. Don't want to

Canucks leading goal scorer Miller taking leave

Canucks leading goal scorer J.T. Miller is taking a leave of absence for personal reasons.

www.espn.com

thanks for getting back to me on this
it deserves extended comment
am crushed at the moment
pls let me get back to you over the w'e

best
bern