Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[duhmetreE]

none are realistic.. you wouldnt even get one of those guys for Panarin.

Teams don't trade bluechip prospects anymore

It’s not common but he’s not a rental.

 

[IDvsEGO]

none are realistic.. you wouldnt even get one of those guys for Panarin.

Teams don't trade bluechip prospects anymore

Yes and no?
Teams will move bluechips, depending on desperation.
The problem is that aside from the ducks, all of those teams are either in the early stages of, or about to enter a legit rebuild and panarin isn't a long term asset.

Kreider 100% gets you Mateychuk, who's been struggling this year.

Thats the thing the ducks are a real tempting trade partner.
They've got young talent, who all look like they might really need to move because their development hasnt progressed.


An entirely unrealistic move would be something like
Mika + CK + Trouba + othmann + 1st for Mateychuk + Mctavish + Zegras

All 3 are currently massive underperforming expectations right now,
Ducks fans hate McTavish because he's struggling taking bad penalties, he's exactly the type of middle 6 C we want. Aggressive on the forecheck, good speed, and good hands. Pair him with Laf or Kakko and he'll explode.
Zegras is a pure change of scenery move. He absolutely wants out of Anaheim and we're a good match.

Anaheim can't keep selling rebuild since they've absolutely been taking for years and getting UFA's to push the kids, and its not working.

 

[DanielBrassard]

i still say you have to try revamping the defense and see if it helps the forwards before completely rebuilding. i think even Mika could still be good if he wasn't playing his whole shift in the D zone.

Mika’s problems are caused by nobody but himself. His total avoidance of contact, his inability to stick handle in traffic, not fighting to get to the dangerous areas of the ice. He’s just not a good hockey player anymore. He never was that great in the first place except for his shooting ability but even that has deteriorated significantly. He’s f***ing done.

 

[duhmetreE]

Mika’s problems are caused by nobody but himself. His total avoidance of contact, his inability to stick handle in traffic, not fighting to get to the dangerous areas of the ice. He’s just not a good hockey player anymore. He never was that great in the first place except for his shooting ability but even that has deteriorated significantly. He’s f***ing done.

has he won a single board/puck battle this season?

 

[NYR Viper]

Moving Kreider may be the necessary precursor to moving Zibs

This is where I’m at based on what we know. I think Kreider is a guy who the team likely won’t want to re-sign when his deal is up and I think he’s a major tie to making Zibanejad want to stick around.

 

[duhmetreE]

Yes and no?
Teams will move bluechips, depending on desperation.
The problem is that aside from the ducks, all of those teams are either in the early stages of, or about to enter a legit rebuild and panarin isn't a long term asset.

Kreider 100% gets you Mateychuk, who's been struggling this year.

Thats the thing the ducks are a real tempting trade partner.
They've got young talent, who all look like they might really need to move because their development hasnt progressed.


An entirely unrealistic move would be something like
Mika + CK + Trouba + othmann + 1st for Mateychuk + Mctavish + Zegras

All 3 are currently massive underperforming expectations right now,
Ducks fans hate McTavish because he's struggling taking bad penalties, he's exactly the type of middle 6 C we want. Aggressive on the forecheck, good speed, and good hands. Pair him with Laf or Kakko and he'll explode.
Zegras is a pure change of scenery move. He absolutely wants out of Anaheim and we're a good match.

Anaheim can't keep selling rebuild since they've absolutely been taking for years and getting UFA's to push the kids, and its not working.

you're thinking of Mintyukov. Mateychuk is Blue Jackets and in the AHL.

I'd give up a lot for McTavish, can't see why any sane person would move him

 

[DanielBrassard]

has he won a single board/puck battle this season?

I don’t think so. There’s people who crunch the numbers on this stuff, I’m gonna have to see if I can find it.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

just get Zegras alread ffs

 

[NYR Viper]

If Zibanejad would waive for Anaheim that would make sense. I wonder if a package of Kreider-Zibanejad would make things easier for them. They know Vatrano. Anaheim pretty much builds a veteran 2nd line immediately. Minty + Zegras + for Kreider and Zibanejad

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Just move Lindgren.

Checks every box.

Locker room shake up, no NMC, he blows, etc.

Take the 2nd 3rd or what ever and be done with it. The real value in the return is not having to pencil him in the lineup anymore.

 

[grachevsceiling]

This is where I’m at based on what we know. I think Kreider is a guy who the team likely won’t want to re-sign when his deal is up and I think he’s a major tie to making Zibanejad want to stick around.

Also, a lot has changed since Zib signed his contract obviously. I don’t think it’s THAT crazy to think that if pressure/negative vibes is the main thing bringing him down he would agree to relocate to a place like Anaheim (like duhmetreE suggested) where the expectations would be different and the fans and media would be less intense.

 

[bernmeister]

happy holiday, here is imo best chance to get out from under current mess


Per my usual, best hope for at least 1 if not multiple cups = EXTEND the window
this means deal vets for youth, few exceptions notwithstanding.

The out of nowhere Zib meltdown has complicated things with great negative forces. Even a premium payment to remove him must be acceptably profitable to a trade partner and that is not readily visible other than gutting nyr to an intolerable degree.

Someone – and apologies I lost track of who – said maybe VAN b’c JT Miller is clashing w/Petterssen, and that could be enuf of an inducement for a basis, to not a straight 1 for 1. Of course, while JT remains productive, we are taking him back as is, and that is its own kettle of fish with both pros and cons, but in these circumstances I think it is worth the risk. If JT can feel good here, that is a resolution, and if not, I believe he is mature enuf we can work with him to relocate him to where he will be happy. VAN can hope that fellow Swedes Pet. + Zib can find the same frequency and keep it going. Mika at half means if it is a miss, they can extend another 2 or so per and move him down the road.

1. Rs-‘nucks
Zib max reduced 8.5 to 4.25 + Lindy 4.5 reduced to 2.25 + Jones + Quick + Vesey which is around 8 cap hit
for
JTM full pop at 8 per + Raty elc + Juulsen rfa-ufa expiring around 10m

this has just enuf to make it worthwhile for VAN
G Demko is listed as IR, so Quick is a welcomed stopgap
Quick has like 20 teams ntc and also must give permission
he understands this is just to help VAN cup run this year, he is welcomed back for next season, no matter what
Vesey is useful bottom 6 cog
Lindy is not worth much but Forbort is IR [tho not listed as inactive], so literally a stopgap

Rs get
Miller who is potentially resolution to zib problem + good scorer
Ratty = useful pivot depth
Juulsen is RD w/decent size, unfortunate injury history early on, but ok now and possibly next 1-2 yrs




2. Rs-Devs
had hoped to max retain on bread for Nemec and Silayev but not getting that vibe on the boards, maybe one or the other [for unretained bread] but not both

so, bread 11.6+ for
Nemec [recent 2OA] elc, +
cap dumps Palat [presumes he waives] 6 per x 3 + Haula 3.15 x 2 and Tatar 1.8 expiring ufa

So Jersey is deep at RD atm, so much so that nemec is in the A.
Palat and Haula are solid, but bread is special, and this gives them inside track to offer an extension and if so at what rate going forward. Obv he would help w/scoring.

For NY Nemec is useful flip [discussed below] and avoids discussion about extending salary. Palat, Haula, Tatar likely flipped


3. NYR-LAK
While surrender of Byfield is a major concession, Kings win this deal, but it is still a fit for Rs.

W/LA in on discussions, Shesty extended 12.2 x 5, no NMC, limited ntc, which as an extension kicks in next season. Rs eat 2m per beginning this season and continuing.
Add KAM rfa - new deal after this season
add Nemec elc

Now there is too much on the plate for Kings to refuse. Obv Byfield is heir to Kopitar and now that has to have plan b alternate, but Ks still have good pivot depth and too many issues solved by this to decline.

The above 3 for Byfield

NOTE: with this trade now, Shesty’s value is not 12.2 - 2, but current 5.6 -2 = 3.6, so add KAM + Nemec elc it is ballpark to Byfield’s #.
We can take back Rittich 1m expiring ufa if they don’t prefer to sell him elsewhere


4. Rs - Ds
Haula, Tatar, Robertson
for
Dumoulin and Helleson

rationale: Ducks looking for F support, are good at pivot regardless of Zegras and Huala by now = good option to upgrade, phase out Strome, get something selling him now. Tatar is just a try me F, Robertson a prospect not properly developed w/good size, etc. Helleson has shown signs but is far enough down they can let him go. Dumoulin would be a small wince but worth it.


if retention is nec Trouba will have to wait til Lindgren’s retention is finished. Otherwise if he wants now, he can go now. (LI?)
If not he can be emergency 3RD an do 4RW balance of this campaign
____________

So what does all this leave us?

Kreider - Byfield - Miller
LaF - Tro - Palat [stopgap for Gabe P]
Cuylle - Chytil/Brodz - Kakko
Eds - Brodz/Rempe -Rempe/Trouba

Raty, Carrick + Smith = forward depth

Fox - Schneider
Dumoulin - Mancini
__________ - Juulsen/Helleson

usual suspects for LD depth: Scanlin/Harpur/Mackey/Ruhwedel
Rasmus Larsson and Hank Kempf may be close enuf for cup of coffee if available

Broberg on LTIR
after the above, possible buy now w/St. Louis for acceptable assets (Sykora +) and add late in the yr?

 

[bernmeister]

This is where I’m at based on what we know. I think Kreider is a guy who the team likely won’t want to re-sign when his deal is up and I think he’s a major tie to making Zibanejad want to stick around.

that would be major stupid on their part IF
- he is in good shape, a reasonable expectation
- he continues to produce
9 g for a 5th of a season w/zero follow through by zib and unsettled RW is satisfactory production for the moment
- his # is reasonable, like down from 6+ to 5ish

of course, won't be first or last time R mgmt is stupid

 

[GAGLine]

This is where I’m at based on what we know. I think Kreider is a guy who the team likely won’t want to re-sign when his deal is up and I think he’s a major tie to making Zibanejad want to stick around.

Boston probably has some buyer's remorse with Elias Lindholm. Maybe a swap for Mika would work. Lindholm has 6 years remaining compared to Mika's 5, but his cap hit is 750k lower and his buyout is better.

 

[RangerBoy]

Kakko's name has resurfaced. The Rangers won't trade him unless they get what they want.

 

[duhmetreE]

My 2025-2026 far fetched looking Rangers

Panarin Tro Laffy
Tkachuk Bennett Cuylle
Berard Chytil Kakko
Edstrom Carrick Brodz/Rempe

KAM Fox
Gavrikov Schneider
Gulyayev Mancini

Dont know at Goalie

 

[McRanger92]

Kakko's name has resurfaced. The Rangers won't trade him unless they get what they want.

Kakko’s name has resurfaced because other teams want him. Drury isn’t shipping out any youth right (Miller being the exception as his play has warranted a trade more than an extension)

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Kakko's name has resurfaced. The Rangers won't trade him unless they get what they want.

Ugh. Kakko may be a disappointment relative to his draft position, but he's still one of the few on this team that are part of the solution instead of part of the problem. We shouldn't be trading him for anything less than an overpayment.

 

[duhmetreE]

Kakko playing Center and his line looking good.... there's no reason to move him

 

[LOFIN]

I think the reason Kakko's name is out there because his next contract is going to be a tricky one.

 

[RempireStateBuilding]

I think this season has been enough of a redemption for Kakko that he's not actually being shopped here (unless an offer comes in that's too good to refuse). There were a few posters suggesting that this was his swan song season in NYR unless he upped his game, which he has. Drury should be listening, but I don't think he bites on anything involving KK.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Ron Duguay had a major trade proposal including our vet guys and Pitts. Neither team looks like a winner this year but it would give us a change for 2 years. Would you consider this? Would Pitt?

 

[haohmaru]

I am willing to go 12.2 if only 5 yrs BUT
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES
does anybody ever get NMC
PERIOD
you are right we should entertain legit offers

If you're not offering NMC's and NTC's to top free agents then you aren't signing any top free agents. It's really that simple unless you GROSSLY overpay and reap the cap consequences that come with that.

Name one, just one, top UFA going into his first year of free agency that signed a 5+ year deal without any NMC or NTC provisions in the last 15 years.

I'll wait.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I mean drury should be listening on all players but Kakko is finally finding himself. Sign him long term like laffy. Kakko is part of the solution of this team.

If the flames thing is real. They can have zibs lol

 

[haohmaru]

Ron Duguay had a major trade proposal including our vet guys and Pitts. Neither team looks like a winner this year but it would give us a change for 2 years. Would you consider this? Would Pitt?

It's just a fantasy. It's not the real thing.