Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[will1066]

Did you watch the video? He's facetiously using the term because that's sorta his "bit" but what he's talking about is that they don't have the attitude. They're a bunch of timid, good boys who are scared to ruffle feathers, no attitude, no swagger. They don't scream "New York". Like Hank for instance, he epitomized NYC. Same with Avery. We should buy low on Zegras, I feel like he was made for the bright lights of NY and is probably not motivated in Anaheim.

@13:00
There's the full context, they go on for a bit about the Rangers

Yeah i stopped watching after the guy says he'd fix the team in 3 weeks if they hired him. Not to be taken seriously.

 

[Levitate]

I would like the team to play more like Kakko at even strength, stylistically. That would lead to the natural conclusion that I would like to keep Kakko, and at this point, I'm not saying I don't.

The concern I have with Kakko, and it's a rather unique phenomenon that doesn't neatly fall into any ideology I might have, is that, yes, he has shown a pattern of people scoring a lot less when they play with him. No, it's not everyone, but it's enough for me to be concerned.

Right now, as I mentioned yesterday, Cuylle is shooting 24%, so let's see where things are when he comes back to planet Earth.

If he and Kakko continue producing together, it will obviously ease my concerns.

obviously the conclusion you should be making is that Cuylle is shooting 24% because of Kakko

In a vacuum Avery isn’t a great hockey player. But I think there is value adding that type of attitude to the roster and having it rub off on others. At worst he’s a distraction to the opposing team.

nah at worst he was a distraction to his own team
he only survived in NY because the face of the franchise at the time found him amusing

 

[NYR Viper]

Kreider for Dumba + Bourque + DAL 1st

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Pls delete @Tob 's account

Fixed.

 

[haohmaru]

The guy holds or is close to the top of every franchise scoring record.

He's 10th all time in points and not in the top 10 in assists.

3rd in goals. Not yet at the top or holding much of anything. The only record that he holds, afaik, is playoff goals.

 

[haohmaru]

@bernmeister lowkey picks up on a lot of things people miss, if you actually read the content of his posts. I get a lot of his trades seem outlandish, but I've found the unique posters on here actually offer the most insight and perspective. There's about 5,000 people posting the same things over and over, and only a few who post unique points of view. Of course you wont agree with it all, but at least its interesting, if not insightful.

Ehhhhh. I mean, there IS a unique perspective to some of it, I'll give you that. But, and it's a big but, there's the truly outlandish stuff that's off putting. Rempe on line 1. Garand an NHL starter. Robertson as a top 6 D. Christensen as a first line center. And on and on and on. He's sometimes entertaining to read but there's a lot of realism that's missing.

 

[Crease]

@bernmeister is a national treasure do not slander his name

 

[Longterm]

Georgiev in Colorado is having one of the absolute worst seasons. He’s not stopping shots.
Does that mean that the players in front of him are at fault? Because they’re letting easy shots get off.

Plus minus is worthless.

If lines are playing together regularly, and one line is plus 30 and another line is minus 5, that should tell you that plus minus is not worthless. There is real information there. Is it misused? Yes. Can you compare one team to another? Pretty worthless. But it has its value.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Well shit I didnt even consider than angle. Wow that is something.

 

[IDvsEGO]

If lines are playing together regularly, and one line is plus 30 and another line is minus 5, that should tell you that plus minus is not worthless. There is real information there. Is it misused? Yes. Can you compare one team to another? Pretty worthless. But it has its value.

It’s good for a line. It’s terrible for an individual player.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Ehhhhh. I mean, there IS a unique perspective to some of it, I'll give you that. But, and it's a big but, there's the truly outlandish stuff that's off putting. Rempe on line 1. Garand an NHL starter. Robertson as a top 6 D. Christensen as a first line center. And on and on and on. He's sometimes entertaining to read but there's a lot of realism that's missing.

Never forget Boo Nieves

 

[CasusBelli]

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Well shit I didnt even consider than angle. Wow that is something.

That’s quite serious — for a guy whose game is about crashing the net and fitness. And at his age … maybe he doesn’t have the longevity I thought. Let him retire proudly in blue. Guy is a trooper.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

omg the HFDocs.

Please stop.

 

[Levitate]

I dunno probably honestly isn't anything wild for a NHL player or that they wouldn't have found out in a physical before a trade

 

[bernmeister]

hear ye hear ye, i've come to offer a mea culpa

i was just searching through posts of mine from the spring to see if i had actually suggested a contract that I thought made sense for Kakko at that time, and found (among posts by a lot of you skewering him as a useless valueless finnish dustbin) a particularly savage roast of @bernmeister's insistence that Kakko and Cuylle had chemistry so great so as to be prized above all other roster building considerations

while i can no longer see his posts because i blocked him because i actually can't stand the way he abbreviates player names, i should mention that, while maybe not quite as important as he was expressing, 24 and 50 do indeed play very well off of each other. You were spot on with that one bern. carry on

note below...

So many things to not be able to stand about him and you blocked him over abbreviations?

sez you
no wonder you are regularly voted angriest poster
It would kill you to give props where due
suit yourself
On this thanksgiving eve, I give thanks not for the turkeys -- you know who you are -- but to the majority of our community here at hfb

@bernmeister lowkey picks up on a lot of things people miss, if you actually read the content of his posts. I get a lot of his trades seem outlandish, but I've found the unique posters on here actually offer the most insight and perspective. There's about 5,000 people posting the same things over and over, and only a few who post unique points of view. Of course you wont agree with it all, but at least its interesting, if not insightful.

I appreciate that you (and others) appreciate the effort
and more importantly, the commitment to excellence in pursuit of the truth:
will you try to change things
with the power that you have
the power of a million new ideas

Ehhhhh. I mean, there IS a unique perspective to some of it, I'll give you that. But, and it's a big but, there's the truly outlandish stuff that's off putting. Rempe on line 1. Garand an NHL starter. Robertson as a top 6 D. Christensen as a first line center. And on and on and on. He's sometimes entertaining to read but there's a lot of realism that's missing.

I stand by whatev I said but CONTEXT man, CONTEXT
Garand, wait and I see, I will again be proven right he eventually is our starter if not traded/career injured

The others, these are in context of other variables at the time, and they were or are acceptable given that
Robertson is a good example
the kid is crushed
they refuse to give him chance -> no development -> no growing pains =
we are stuck w/what we have

bern was right, we should not have self rented Lindgren, recently as 2-ish yrs ago he could have gotten a 20-ish OA [at best]. Now? bupkis.
But yes, you have to bend, buckle and break and take the medicine, endure the growing pains to have Robertson be whatev he could evolve into -- even if that is disappointing and he is only a stopgap.

Either way, I was right, we should have moved Lindgren when he had value.

@bernmeister is a national treasure do not slander his name

Thank you,
I am comforted that the more they try, the more they lose stature with the silent majority such as yourself.

Never forget Boo Nieves

No, let us not forget that IF Rs did EXACTLY as I suggested that might have worked out before Boo got concussed repeatedly.

Since you deserve it, here's a bern, just for you:
the more you rant, the more you rave, makes you sound less like a king, and more like a knave
--------------------------- mic drop -------------------------------


Although this is not my original lyric, it is always good advice

tell it like it is,, let your conscience be your guide

 

[bernmeister]

I see per usual @FoxysExpensiveNYDigs had nothing constructive to say; only a ha ha, I see.

Didn't anyone ever tell you he who laughs last laughs best?

 

[haohmaru]

I stand by whatev I said but CONTEXT man, CONTEXT
Garand, wait and I see, I will again be proven right he eventually is our starter if not traded/career injured

The others, these are in context of other variables at the time, and they were or are acceptable given that
Robertson is a good example
the kid is crushed
they refuse to give him chance -> no development -> no growing pains =
we are stuck w/what we have

bern was right, we should not have self rented Lindgren, recently as 2-ish yrs ago he could have gotten a 20-ish OA [at best]. Now? bupkis.
But yes, you have to bend, buckle and break and take the medicine, endure the growing pains to have Robertson be whatev he could evolve into -- even if that is disappointing and he is only a stopgap.

Either way, I was right, we should have moved Lindgren when he had value.

So, Robertson is the Rangers' fault for not developing into an NHL defenseman? Come on, that's one thing the Rangers are somewhat decent at.

I can toot my own horn too, you know, I said to trade Georgiev for maximum value at his height (the three headed goalie fiasco) instead of the paltry return they got.

Hell, I would've traded for McDonagh THIS year for what peanuts he went for. That dude was TB's MVP in their 2nd cup run.

Garand has been a winner everywhere he's been but he's not ready for the starting role in NYC. Not yet.

 

[bernmeister]

So, Robertson is the Rangers' fault for not developing into an NHL defenseman? Come on, that's one thing the Rangers are somewhat decent at.

I can toot my own horn too, you know, I said to trade Georgiev for maximum value at his height (the three headed goalie fiasco) instead of the paltry return they got.

Hell, I would've traded for McDonagh THIS year for what peanuts he went for. That dude was TB's MVP in their 2nd cup run.

Garand has been a winner everywhere he's been but he's not ready for the starting role in NYC. Not yet.

you misunderstand

whether or not Robbie could actually = legit NHL D is subordinate to the fact he was needed to be at min a stopgap, b'c a blind man could see Lindy declining and THE CHANCE Robbie or somebody would have worked out was better than self renting a continuously declining Lindgren

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

I see per usual @FoxysExpensiveNYDigs had nothing constructive to say; only a ha ha, I see.

Didn't anyone ever tell you he who laughs last laughs best?

Ready to admit you were wrong about Berard yet? Rempe?

 

[haohmaru]

you misunderstand

whether or not Robbie could actually = legit NHL D is subordinate to the fact he was needed to be at min a stopgap, b'c a blind man could see Lindy declining and THE CHANCE Robbie or somebody would have worked out was better than self renting a continuously declining Lindgren

He wasn't a "stopgap". He wasn't an NHL defenseman 2 years ago and he still isn't. Trading Lindgren for a 2nd, or whatever, and making your team worse when it's a contender helps nothing.

 

[Daves a mess]

Top Shelf hockey was just implying that Kreiders interview was very odd. He thinks that it seemed like Kreider was going out of his way to tell other teams that he was damaged goods.

Interesting.

 

[TominNC]

@bernmeister is a national treasure do not slander his name

Please stop.

 

[Jauffre]

Any rumblings of Trouba's situation rubbing teammates the wrong way causing a locker room rift in the process?

 

[McRanger92]

Top Shelf hockey was just implying that Kreiders interview was very odd. He thinks that it seemed like Kreider was going out of his way to tell other teams that he was damaged goods.

Interesting.

Country club memberships are for life at MSG

 

[RangersFan1994]

Top Shelf hockey was just implying that Kreiders interview was very odd. He thinks that it seemed like Kreider was going out of his way to tell other teams that he was damaged goods.

Interesting.

Post it please. Why mention it without a link?