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Looks like Buffalo might buy out Skinner. I wonder if signing him like how Dallas did with Duchene makes sense
Sounds like Buffalo is going to buy out Skinner so you can have him for free if you wantWhat do people think of this idea?
Trouba (3.5 mil retained for 2 years)
for
Jeff Skinner (4.5 mil retained for 3 years)
This would result in Skinner costing us 8 mil for 2 years and then 4.5 mil in the 3rd year.
Trouba would cost Buffalo 9 mil for 2 years, after which they'd have a cap hit of 4.5 mil for 1 year.
Buffalo gets a veteran leader who can add some size and physicality to their defense while saving 4.5 mil in the 3rd year.
The Rangers take on an extra 4.5 mil 3 years from now, but they get a player who may be a fit in the top 6.
We could also potentially expand the deal to include Goodrow (1 mil retained) for Jokiharju.
Thoughts?
The first one is really a non-issue. Multiple agents have debunked the myth that the difference between state taxes is actually a factor in what the players take home. So much depends on how much you are paid in salary vs signing bonuses, where you live your offseasons, what away teams you play, are you putting the money on differend funds etc. Short version: the players (especially the star players who can afford a competent accountant) playing in these high-tax states (Canada, New York, California) will take home just as much as those players in non/low-tax states. Also, living costs? Oh please. Why not make a compromise to the cap where Winnipeg gets extra because the weather is shitty.Exactly. There really needs to be some sort of compromise in the cap to 1) level the cost of living/tax playing field and 2) reward teams for drafting and developing well.
We did have Zucc v the Kings?I always feel like if the Rangers had Zuc vs the Kings or Buch this year they win the cup
They are always 1 key player away
As NYR fans we get a lot of practice sniffing them out. It's, ah, a familiar odor.There's nothing I'm more right about than bad defensemen. I can smell them.
Well every game played in NYC is taxed with the local/state income tax, non resident if your "home" address is elsewhere. (Every game's salary is taxed in the state where the game is played. At least that is how it was explained to me by an accountant. If I'm wrong please don't hesitate to correct me.) As opposed to ZERO state income tax, yes that is a difference. Unless you are an actual tax cheat, there is CERTAINLY an advantage to playing at least half your games in a no tax state.The first one is really a non-issue. Multiple agents have debunked the myth that the difference between state taxes is actually a factor in what the players take home. So much depends on how much you are paid in salary vs signing bonuses, where you live your offseasons, what away teams you play, are you putting the money on differend funds etc. Short version: the players (especially the star players who can afford a competent accountant) playing in these high-tax states (Canada, New York, California) will take home just as much as those players in non/low-tax states.
As for the 2nd part, there definitely should be a way to keep the players you have drafted OR have played for your team for X number of years much easier. Be it by exemptions, or by a different cap% modifier whatever.
Libor Hajek waves hi because he can't speak with a feeding tube (he is fine don't worry).I feel like Lindgren is the worst at protecting himself of maybe any player I've ever seen. That guy gets horribly boarded like 2x per game. At some point its like...its not them dude, its you.
Sure. But if you are not paid in salary but signing bonuses...Well every game played in NYC is taxed with the local/state income tax, non resident if your "home" address is elsewhere. (Every game's salary is taxed in the state where the game is played. At least that is how it was explained to me by an accountant. If I'm wrong please don't hesitate to correct me.) As opposed to ZERO state income tax, yes that is a difference. Unless you are an actual tax cheat, there is CERTAINLY an advantage to playing at least half your games in a no tax state.
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Skinner drives offense at 5v5 like f***ing crazy.
I'm concerned about the defense number. Not because I care about defense but that number shows up for different reasons. If it's there because he legit just sucks at covering people, I really don't care. If it's there because he avoids the boards and can't hang onto the puck, I'm concerned.
If the signing bonus is paid out in NY then that will likely be taxed at the NY rate... Canada has different tax laws than us. Mathews is also an American citizen I don't know how that sits in Canadian Tax Law, but according to your articla it has a huge bearing:Sure. But if you are not paid in salary but signing bonuses...
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hat do people think of this idea?
Trouba (3.5 mil retained for 2 years)
for
Jeff Skinner (4.5 mil retained for 3 years)
This would result in Skinner costing us 8 mil for 2 years and then 4.5 mil in the 3rd year.
Trouba would cost Buffalo 9 mil for 2 years, after which they'd have a cap hit of 4.5 mil for 1 year.
Buffalo gets a veteran leader who can add some size and physicality to their defense while saving 4.5 mil in the 3rd year.
The Rangers take on an extra 4.5 mil 3 years from now, but they get a player who may be a fit in the top 6.
We could also potentially expand the deal to include Goodrow (1 mil retained) for Jokiharju.
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Delete my post here; already info already posted by others. My bad.What do people think of this idea?
Trouba (3.5 mil retained for 2 years)
for
Jeff Skinner (4.5 mil retained for 3 years)
This would result in Skinner costing us 8 mil for 2 years and then 4.5 mil in the 3rd year.
Trouba would cost Buffalo 9 mil for 2 years, after which they'd have a cap hit of 4.5 mil for 1 year.
Buffalo gets a veteran leader who can add some size and physicality to their defense while saving 4.5 mil in the 3rd year.
The Rangers take on an extra 4.5 mil 3 years from now, but they get a player who may be a fit in the top 6.
We could also potentially expand the deal to include Goodrow (1 mil retained) for Jokiharju.
Thoughts?
So who makes the determination on "where you are earning", and based on what grounds? Is there a tax official who makes a judgement call if necessary? Not just talking about hockey, but in general. If you are getting paid for the job while not living in the state? If you are working remote for a job in a different state? If you are working in a different state but living in NY?In the states, you are taxed in the state/locality where you earn it. If you are a non resident, you are taxed at a lower rate than resident, but certainly more than a no tax state. If you are being paid to play hockey in NY you are getting taxed.
If he ever got into the playoffs, he would surely move the needle......backwards.I think he floats like crazy as the big issue
Looks like Buffalo might buy out Skinner. I wonder if signing him like how Dallas did with Duchene makes sense
He's younger too but does he play RW?That’s what they did with Wheeler
It’s a low risk signing with Skinner
If MSG/NYR are paying you a signing bonus, it would seem most likely you are being paid "in" NY. If you work remotely, out of state, for a NY employer, you are still considered to be earning "in NY." As far as actually playing games what I'm told is that base the salary for each game on WHERE the game is played.So who makes the determination on "where you are earning", and based on what grounds? Is there a tax official who makes a judgement call if necessary? Not just talking about hockey, but in general. If you are getting paid for the job while not living in the state? If you are working remote for a job in a different state? If you are working in a different state but living in NY?
Getting a bit astray here but it's the offseason this is what it's all about I guess.
Have fun everyone!
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle (as usual lol). But I maintain my stance that the tax-differential isn't really a thing in the NHL. It's just a scapegoat for especially Canadian fans, for why their teams have been so bad they haven't been able to win a cup in 30 years.If MSG/NYR are paying you a signing bonus, it would seem most likely you are being paid "in" NY. If you work remotely, out of state, for a NY employer, you are still considered to be earning "in NY." As far as actually playing games what I'm told is that base the salary for each game on WHERE the game is played.
A signing bonus isn't exactly "pay" so I'm not going to try to say anything with any certainty, but states write their tax laws to try to generate tax income, not lose out on it.
Yup, its offseason alright. Hahaha.