Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[MrAlmost]

Tuch would be the type of move a good org would pull off and win with.


We are not that.

 

[duhmetreE]

Wennberg won’t be the only move.

I would bang down Dubas’ door until he says he isn’t moving Crosby or moving him to NYR. Or Crosby says the same.

Crosby is not moving. 0% chance, especially to the Rangers.

He just forced the org to re-sign players to ridiculous contracts. He's their face and will go down with the ship imo

 

[McRanger92]

Tuch would be the type of move a good org would pull off and win with.


We are not that.

I think Drury is going to try again before Friday. If the cost is Schneider+, they should pull the trigger and add Sean Walker or Matt Dumba in a separate deal. Sign Pesce of deMelo in the summer. Buffalo is a very stupid organization so they may not discuss it based on some misguided stance that they can't deal with the Rangers, but Drury should at least exhaust the possibility.

 

[duhmetreE]

There's just too many big needs.

A top4 LHD.
A middle6 Center.
A middle6 RWer.

we dont have the ammo for that. Trading Kakko just adds to those holes. Trading Lindgren for an upgrade could work, but not happening. Moving Trouba in offseason to recoup assets used this TDL? maybe?

I really do not want to give up good assets for rentals.

We need to get our 'top players' going. Keeping the lineup the same is becoming an issue. Other avenues need to be exhausted before big moves are made but now we're not playing until after the TDL. Coaching staff is failing at this point.

 

[effen]

Trade Kakko for a center and our rw is Laf, Vesey, Rempe, Pitlick.

However could they hope to replace his 0.26 points per game?

 

[GAGLine]

For sure, i guess my issue is that his value is likely at an all time low so why not just keep him around in hopes he turns the corner. He was unreal in the CHL

I think there's a good chance we keep him, but only because we'd then have to replace him. Hartford doesn't have a ton of depth, defensive or otherwise, due to injuries, call ups, etc.

Why is it at an all-time low? He's 22, has 20 points in 49 games and has showed progression this year as compared to last year. He's 6'4. I think there would be teams who are in need of a bottom-pairing guy next year who may look at him and think 'we can work on some things but the tools are there'.



Yeah, his skating is a plus. I'm not sure what he was seeing.

I don't like using appeals to authority, but it says something about a player drafted 49th overall that he has yet to play a game in the NHL in his D+5 season.

Jones was drafted the same year, a round later, and has played 55 games in the NHL. Cuylle, Rempe and Othmann have all gotten NHL games early in their pro careers.

Beyond that, when I watch Robertson play, I don't see anything that suggests he can be an NHL player. Nothing about his game stands out.

Buch is not a pending UFA

You're right, he he has 1 year left, after which he will be a UFA and 30 years old. My point still stands.

 

[Kovalev27]

Hot take i rather deal Othmann than Berard. I want the better skater

 

[Gardner McKay]

I think Drury is going to try again before Friday. If the cost is Schneider+, they should pull the trigger and add Sean Walker or Matt Dumba in a separate deal. Sign Pesce of deMelo in the summer. Buffalo is a very stupid organization so they may not discuss it based on some misguided stance that they can't deal with the Rangers, but Drury should at least exhaust the possibility.

I get the philosophy. I don't think Tuch is the guy, but I can definitely get on board with this kind of deal.

 

[McRanger92]

Hot take i rather deal Othmann than Berard. I want the better skater

Berard would make more of an impact in the Rangers next game than Kakko, based on speed and pace alone. Othmann is very raw, I was ready to let him stay in the majors this year but he needs another season in the AHL.

I get the philosophy. I don't think Tuch is the guy, but I can definitely get on board with this kind of deal.

Agreed. Im really using Tuch as a placeholder because we know Drury inquired. Its the organizations job to find the right player but a top 6 forward with term, preferably on the right side of 30, is what we desperately need need. Laf, K'Andre and Perrault are my only untouchables in that type of move.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Berard would make more of an impact in the Rangers next game than Kakko, based on speed and pace alone. Othmann is very raw, I was ready to let him stay in the majors this year but he needs another season in the AHL.



Agreed. Im really using Tuch as a placeholder because we know Drury inquired. Its the organizations job to find the right player but a top 6 forward with term, preferably on the right side of 30, is what we desperately need need. Laf, K'Andre and Perrault are my only untouchables in that type of move.

I've said from the start that othmann should have spent the entire year in Hartford.

 

[NYR Viper]

If the team wanted to 'try' something @ 5v5 and they acquire Wennberg, the move is:


Panarin-Wennberg-Lafreniere
Kreider-Trochek-Kakko
Cuylle-Zibanejad-_____
Goodrow-Brodzinski-Vesey

That's the move to make. I'd be looking at guys like Zucker for that open RW spot.

 

[McRanger92]

I've said from the start that othmann should have spent the entire year in Hartford.

Yeah he is clearly not knocking on the door like the other guys. It's why this idea that he is going to stroll in next year and take the other top 6 RW spot is wishcasting at best. He is on the same trajectory as Cuylle was last year, and even he had to play out of his mind in the preseason to earn a spot on the 4th line.

 

[bl02]

Hot take i rather deal Othmann than Berard. I want the better skater

Absolutely. We have enough size at the forward position especially wings. We need someone who can skate and go to the middle of the ice.

 

[Kovalev27]

Absolutely. We have enough size at the forward position especially wings. We need someone who can skate and go to the middle of the ice.

That kid is a play driver a skater goes to the net makes plays. I love his game. Othmann can’t skate for shit frankly. We need more speed and 5 on 5 players.

 

[McRanger92]

Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreniere
Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Cuylle-Wennberg-Berard
Vesey-Goodrow-Edstrom/Rempe/Brodzinski.

If you will it, it is no dream.

 

[NYR Viper]

That kid is a play driver a skater goes to the net makes plays. I love his game. Othmann can’t skate for shit frankly. We need more speed and 5 on 5 players.

They're different players and I'm not seeing why the Rangers would need to pick one or the other. Both appear to be on a good trajectory to be NHLers.

Also, to be clear, Berard is the better skater and he does attack the middle of the ice with speed. That's a very good skill. Othmann plays in the dirty areas in and around the net more and he uses his size and strength to do so. Different players. Both can be effective. Both should be kept.

 

[JimmyG89]

There's just too many big needs.

A top4 LHD.
A middle6 Center.
A middle6 RWer.

The first one will cost a lot, but the other two are things that they can get and not spend a ton on. I don't think there is an easy solution to the defense as constructed without moving Lindgren or seeing a massive improvement in his game.

The best thing they can do is not overspend on either rentals for those spots. I'm not sure they bring in someone with term for either of those. The slew of winger prospects makes me believe it'll all be rentals.

 

[Hire Sather]

Anthony is available for a 5th

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Anthony is available for a 5th

He’s gonna be in Russia soon.

 

[NYR Viper]

If Drury does this right, he can pay the price for a couple of pieces to help now and then re-sign those guys should they perform. The team will need a center going in to next season. The list of available UFA's is slim. Same goes for a good, depth d-man. Perhaps Drury can find someone who could fill as a bottom-pairing guy for next year should they decide to move on from Lindgren or Trouba

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Tuch would be the type of move a good org would pull off and win with.


We are not that.

They may not match up in a trade. The vets we have have no trades except for Lindgren who I would piggy back to Buffalo for Tuch.

I’d piggy back him anywhere for free, but the point still stands.

 

[duhmetreE]

The first one will cost a lot, but the other two are things that they can get and not spend a ton on. I don't think there is an easy solution to the defense as constructed without moving Lindgren or seeing a massive improvement in his game.

The best thing they can do is not overspend on either rentals for those spots. I'm not sure they bring in someone with term for either of those. The slew of winger prospects makes me believe it'll all be rentals.

I'm willing to pay for a top4LHD if he's a long-ish term solution.

I've been on the Chychrun train for a minute. It has never been more clear that he should be a top target

 

[RangerBoy]

Why is Carolina trading him here when we are in a playoff race with them. People telling me Guentzel and Buch arent realistic but Necas is? Thats a team that will make us pay a tax.

The Rangers have talked to Philadelphia about Laughton. The Rangers could end up playing Philadelphia in the playoffs. The Flyers have a high asking price on Laughton for all of these teams. There is no guarantee the Rangers play Carolina in the playoffs.

I didn't bring up Guentzel or Buchnevich. The Pittsburgh guy is a LW. The Rangers don't need another LW. He is looking for a huge contract. Buchnevich is the last guy Drury should even consider. Trades Buchnevich for a Blais and a 2nd and then trades two first round pick assets and another asset to reacquire him. Drury looks like the biggest moron in the history of the National Hockey League.

 

[Kovalev27]

They're different players and I'm not seeing why the Rangers would need to pick one or the other. Both appear to be on a good trajectory to be NHLers.

Also, to be clear, Berard is the better skater and he does attack the middle of the ice with speed. That's a very good skill. Othmann plays in the dirty areas in and around the net more and he uses his size and strength to do so. Different players. Both can be effective. Both should be kept.

Because Berard is prob going to be dealt in the next 48 hours

 

[bl02]

I'm willing to pay for a top4LHD if he's a long-ish term solution.

I've been on the Chychrun train for a minute. It has never been more clear that he should be a top target

From the games I have watched him he's looked bad defensively. Even Sens fans are putting him in every trade. Seems like they have already had enough of him.