Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXVIII - Calm in the eye of Desolation?

[duhmetreE]

No one would take him and his $4.8M AAV for free off waivers. The “sudden” interest is because now the Rangers will have to retain salary to get him out of the organization.

dont know why this keeps getting over looked.

If we retain AND take back salary, it opens up the market.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Literally no GM ever would. It is moronic to consider. The buyout is nothing

I agree on the buyout, but they won't have that opportunity until the summer. My guess is the NHLPA would step in before that if we try to just keep him out for an entire season...I could be wrong though.

Either way, you're right. No way anything of value is added to just "dump" him. Though I could see a larger deal happening with more valuable pieces involved.

 

[Crease]

Without looking, tell me how many teams you think could have claimed him off of waivers right now

To your point, I think maybe only two or three teams had the cap space, without having to make an ancillary move.

 

[Alluckks]

To your point, I think maybe only two or three teams had the cap space, without having to make an ancillary move.

You're about right on, I believe it was 4 last I checked

So, while retention is one option. Taking back a vet player that is getting paid like 2-3 million on a 1-2 year deal is also certainly very viable.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Without looking, tell me how many teams you think could have claimed him off of waivers right now

3 or 4 had cap space

 

[NYR Viper]

With the way this season started as far as teams and the cap, I’m not surprised not many teams could take on a $4.8m cap hit for nothing. It becomes a matter of trying to open up cap space quickly which is nearly impossible and even if they could, another team would see it for what it is and bend them over in that trade. We know Yzerman doesn’t like him from their time in TB and that’s one of the only teams who could have made it work.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If there’s interest in DeAngelo that’s great for us

We get a good return, the other team gets a headcase

win for the Rangers

 

[TominNC]

I am not sure I am defending his actions. I am just doubting the he is as bad as some claim he is. If his action was say something sarcastic, that really isn't that much of an action in my book.

Why is the assumption that is was "only something sarcastic"? Maybe it was more than that.

 

[nyr2k2]

I'm not really sold the Herman thing was that big of a factor. He's a fan blogger who posted something that was shot down, what, hours later by another blogger/reporter? And then the team itself directly pointed to it and said it was crap? I don't think the other teams around the league would put a ton of stock into something Herman said--he's not even taken seriously by most here.

If there's now interest in him I think it's because other teams have had an opportunity to discuss the situation with the Rangers and run their own intel and are satisfied that, at a reduced price, he is worth the risk. I don't think it had anything to do with the Herman garbage.

 

[TheBPA]

I'm not really sold the Herman thing was that big of a factor. He's a fan blogger who posted something that was shot down, what, hours later by another blogger/reporter? And then the team itself directly pointed to it and said it was crap? I don't think the other teams around the league would put a ton of stock into something Herman said--he's not even taken seriously by most here.

If there's now interest in him I think it's because other teams have had an opportunity to discuss the situation with the Rangers and run their own intel and are satisfied that, at a reduced price, he is worth the risk. I don't think it had anything to do with the Herman garbage.

100%. They aren’t getting their info from Herman, they are calling JD and Gorton.

 

[NYR]

I wish this was handled more quietly. By waiving him and no one biting we’ve advertised that he has negative value. We probably have to retain or take a contract back in a trade now. This could’ve been an internal suspension instead of the spectacle it turned into

JG doesn't leak anything.. Ever.
The fact that he publically though this out there just tells you that he's trying to save face.
JG is a bigger clown than DQ.
ADA
Kravstov
LA
Hajek
These 2 are not developing shit.
ADA's issues aside..These clowns are prospect killers and I can't wait until JD decides to clean house..

 

[Alluckks]

With the way this season started as far as teams and the cap, I’m not surprised not many teams could take on a $4.8m cap hit for nothing. It becomes a matter of trying to open up cap space quickly which is nearly impossible and even if they could, another team would see it for what it is and bend them over in that trade. We know Yzerman doesn’t like him from their time in TB and that’s one of the only teams who could have made it work.

Also, an acquiring team knows that they can simply buy him out at the end of the year if nothing is working well and it hardly costs them anything against their cap to take a shot on a big hit (looking at point totals and his age).

Moving a meh player that isn't part of your core can be worth that shot for quite a few teams.

 

[Trxjw]

"A ton of interest" is pretty ambiguous. I interpret that more as the vultures are circling than suddenly there's a solid market with quality returns on the table. Getting a potentially game-breaking talent for $2.4m probably piques the interest of a number of GMs. Especially if you can offset the money in the deal as well. Though I wouldn't be surprised if Brisson went on a PR tour, assuring GMs that not only does Tony realize he screwed up badly but that he's willing to go to counseling after he's traded. That would probably alleviate some of the trepidation that teams have.

 

[JT Kreider]

I'm not really sold the Herman thing was that big of a factor. He's a fan blogger who posted something that was shot down, what, hours later by another blogger/reporter? And then the team itself directly pointed to it and said it was crap? I don't think the other teams around the league would put a ton of stock into something Herman said--he's not even taken seriously by most here.

If there's now interest in him I think it's because other teams have had an opportunity to discuss the situation with the Rangers and run their own intel and are satisfied that, at a reduced price, he is worth the risk. I don't think it had anything to do with the Herman garbage.

Because of the optics and public perception

 

[JT Kreider]

100%. They aren’t getting their info from Herman, they are calling JD and Gorton.

The fans wouldnt though.

Imagine the twitter replies to "We have claimed Tony DeAngelo off waivers"

"What? we claimed that racist POS who tormented his minority teammate? Glad you support racism too".

 

[Mandar]

Why wouldn’t they trade him in the division if that’s the best package?

If he’s such an issue in the locker room don’t you want him tearing apart a rival from within?

Come down from the soapbox....no one is listening

 

[Trxjw]

I still don't get the Yandle stuff. Adding a vet to the blueline who can play for a few years makes sense. Adding a guy who is a defensive liability like Yandle seems rather counter-intuitive.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Of course it was. What Herman did was so damaging. Not to just DeAngelo but dragging Miller into this for no reason just because he was a convenient pawn based on the color of his skin. Herman owes him the biggest apology in the history of apologies.

Is it possible they leaked the bogus version to people like Herman on purpose so that ADA clears waivers? I am not surprised that there is interest in ADA after the truth came out that Gorton overreacted and that ADA was the one who was punched by the goalie.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I still don't get the Yandle stuff. Adding a vet to the blueline who can play for a few years makes sense. Adding a guy who is a defensive liability like Yandle seems rather counter-intuitive.

Yeah, they didn't keep DeAngelo because they loved the balance of the D with an offense guy on the third pair. They kept him because of his talent/what he did last year/the chance of him sorting it out in his own end eventually.

 

[Anzi]

Why is the assumption that is was "only something sarcastic"? Maybe it was more than that.

People have reported that it was a sarcastic comment. Nobody has reported otherwise. Maybe the reporters are understating it but there's more evidence that it was "only something sarcastic" than not unless you are bringing your preconceptions about DeAngelo into it.

 

[NYR]

The fans wouldnt though.

Imagine the twitter replies to "We have claimed Tony DeAngelo off waivers"

"What? we claimed that racist POS who tormented his minority teammate? Glad you support racism too".

I'm not defending anyone but what racist comments has he made, exactly?

 

[bobbop]

For better or worse, Bitetto gets his three games necessary to fill expansion draft requirement. That's one good thing to come out of this.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I don’t love the idea of the Rangers having to retain for 2 years but at this point it’s probably what needs to be done

 

[JT Kreider]

I'm not defending anyone but what racist comments has he made, exactly?

We are talking about how Herman's BS report that the Rangers were concerned about DeAngelo's treatment of Miller and how that would lead to teams being wary of claiming him.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Weegar would be ok .... Stralman more likely given the circumstances though

Weegar is one of their best D. They aren't trading him.