Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXVIII - Calm in the eye of Desolation?

[LokiDog]

I know it won’t happen, but I have dreamt of packaging ADA, Gauthier with a good prospect and trying to get Bennett and Valimaki. Another Finn to help Kakko (played WHL so he’s more adjusted to NA) who has potential to be a staple on the D in the future. Bennett adds energy and versatility up front. Valimaki obviously is the more coveted piece but I’d part with a pretty good prospect if it were possible.


Miller - Fox
Valimaki - Trouba
Lindgren - Lundkvist

Won’t happen, but maybe I’ll fire up NHL 21 after work

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Well he traded stepan for him to begin with knowing ADAs history...
Then there was the lias andersson debacle...
The Mcdonagh trade...
Kravtsov last year...
Yeah lots of head scratchers.

Don't forget Kakko last season who publicly criticized the coaching not allowing him to play his own style of hockey

 

[Vitto79]

Well he traded stepan for him to begin with knowing ADAs history...
Then there was the lias andersson debacle...
The Mcdonagh trade...
Kravtsov last year...
Yeah lots of head scratchers.

the MCD trade only stinks if Lundkvist doesn’t turn out

Nash trade was a home run w Lindgren and Miller

W Lias well first picks are not a sure thing . Atleast they got Cuylie . Let’s see if he pans out

 

[Fitzy]

the MCD trade only stinks if Lundkvist doesn’t turn out

Nash trade was a home run w Lindgren and Miller

W Lias well first picks are not a sure thing . Atleast they got Cuylie . Let’s see if he pans out

As long as for every bad trade there is a good one, it doesn't really matter. IDK why people focus in on the McDonagh trade as a negative when we've done well with plenty others.

The Stepan trade... I mean... would you actually want Derek Stepan at 6.5 a year right now? Knowing what we know now I would have traded him for a 7th if we could.

 

[Alluckks]

Brodzinski was just dropped



Perhaps Kakko doesn't have covid

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they promised Kakko to take an abundance of precaution when it comes to him and covid.

Situations that are vaguely close to contact tracing that may clear others, might be a time where they hold Kakko back just to be 100% sure.

 

[Sayba]

There was a kid that Florida drafted a while back- Grimaldi, who was considered a locker room distraction and was told to cut down on the proselytizing in the room.

It doesn't really matter what the subject matter is, if you can't stop dividing people in the room, its a problem.

I would have to think most of his teammates care about winning and their own personal success. I know I do at work, I work with plenty of ppl who I'm sure we don't agree I care about the work product and can use our common ground to get along. Again if it was such an issue the team team shouldn't have signed him. It's complete bs to say all of the sudden the room can't get along with him. You could see last year the camaraderie this team had including ADA.

 

[Mandar]

I'm hoping that people who are talking trades realize that anyone taking on ADA is NOT taking a 4.8M cap hit for THIS YEAR. More teams can afford him at this time than most think.


Carry on....

 

[Savant]

Well he traded stepan for him to begin with knowing ADAs history...
Then there was the lias andersson debacle...
The Mcdonagh trade...
Kravtsov last year...
Yeah lots of head scratchers.

So Gorton’s best moves are the probably the Mika trade, the Nash trade, the Fox trade and the Skjei trade. Strome trade was a win too despite all the hate he gets. Does that outweigh the bad? It’s hard to say.

I do think there is a bit of a pattern where Gorton’s best moves are the ones where he doesn’t have to overthink and/or involved college players. Ottawa initiated the Mika trade. Fox forced his way here. Nash was deadline day bidding war. Lafreniere and Kakko were no brainers. Carolina initiated the Skjei trade (that almost feel through).

Gorton has done some good but I think he is overrated. He picked Lias. He picked ADA. He got cute with the McDonagh deal (although I still don’t think Miller is doing what he is in VAN if he stayed here). The K’Andre pick is looking great but They overpaid to move up (not that anyone will care if it works out). And you have to start to worry about the team culture until proven otherwise. And now he might be about to lose Drury to Pittsburgh. It’s something to keep an eye on.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Gorton is aggressive and makes big moves when he sees them. I appreciate the boldness and conviction and it makes me trust that he has a vision, plan, and the will to execute it.

That said, it's not good that when we finally start banking top 10 picks (and forwards nonetheless), all of them are fumbles out of the gate. Is it bad luck? Will Kakko and Laf just click eventually and turn it around, proving this to be a problem of timelines rather than of development? IDK. But make all the brilliant moves you want, if you strike out on a #7, #9, #2, and #1 overall over four years, you're f***ed.

 

[bl02]

Looks like Libor could be playing tomorrow. Which corner of the rink is Ovechkin gonna plaster him? I think it will be far bottom right corner with the Rangers going East to west on your tv screen.

 

[NYRKing]

Gorton made some questionable moves but the Stepan trade is not one. Forget Ada, returning the 7th overall pick for step and raanta is still incredible. Scouting is what flopped this. If we came away with a Suzuki or Brannstrom, it’s totally different.

I don’t pin draft choices on Gorton. Similar to the above, even if lunqvist works out, the value is not up to par for giving up McD and Miller.

Finally, worst move to date is trading and signing for Smith. Best move is Zibenajad.

 

[bl02]

Practice lines Are KZB,
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Lafreniere-Howden-PDG
Lemiuex-Rooney-Gauthier.

Honestly don't mind these lines. I'm guessing DQ is hoping the first line of KZB gets back their magic starting with getting Zibby going.
My biggest concern is getting Kakko going on that second line and DQ showing patience and not shuffling things around every 2 seconds. Also one of Kakko or Strome is gonna have to find a way to be better at winning some one on one battles in the O zone albeit Kakko has been a bit better this year at that.

 

[Avery16]

Gorton made some questionable moves but the Stepan trade is not one. Forget Ada, returning the 7th overall pick for step and raanta is still incredible. Scouting is what flopped this. If we came away with a Suzuki or Brannstrom, it’s totally different.

I don’t pin draft choices on Gorton. Similar to the above, even if lunqvist works out, the value is not up to par for giving up McD and Miller.

Finally, worst move to date is trading and signing for Smith. Best move is Zibenajad.

The only people that regret this deal are Stepan stans. He was the milk that was pushing the expiration date, and we were days away from his NTC kicking in. It was 100% the right move, and a RHS PPQB on ELC and 7OA is an absolute steal.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Well he traded stepan for him to begin with knowing ADAs history....

So he was wrong to take a chance on a talented player with the hope that a 21-year old would mature? But you're also conveniently ignoring that Stepan had a NTC that was going to kick.

Then there was the lias andersson debacle...

At what point does the player bear some responsibility? And can we wait until we see what Culye is before we deem this a miss?

The Mcdonagh trade....

We still don't really know how this trade has turned out. But would this team really benefit from having McDonaugh on this team with his cap hit?

Kravtsov last year...

Doesn't really to have stunted his devlopment.

Yeah lots of head scratchers.

Are the really any more than any other team? You've been very selective in what you called out. No mention of the Zibanejad trade. Or the Nash trade? Or the Fox trade. Moving up to get Miller.

 

[Avery16]

I would have to think most of his teammates care about winning and their own personal success. I know I do at work, I work with plenty of ppl who I'm sure we don't agree I care about the work product and can use our common ground to get along. Again if it was such an issue the team team shouldn't have signed him. It's complete bs to say all of the sudden the room can't get along with him. You could see last year the camaraderie this team had including ADA.

Not to mention the statements of the players, their interaction on social media. People believe what they want to believe.

 

[DialUp]

Which corner of the rink is Ovechkin gonna plaster him? I think it will be far bottom right corner with the Rangers going East to west on your tv screen.

East to West on our screen, but they will lose playing East/West hockey on the ice. herp derp hardy har

 

[MadHookUp]

At this point, I think his value is so low we are probably looking at a 7th.
No way any team gives up a roster player or middling draft pick for a guy that a team has publicly eviscerated.

If no player is involved, why give up a 7th when you could have claimed him off waivers?

 

[kovazub94]

But the Herman stuff at least informed everyone what it wasn't. All of our imaginations ran wild. Now teams know it was an altercation, he has conservative views, he seems to challenge coaches. If your room is conservative, you have good leadership, and a strong coach you THINK you can manage it.

If it was racial or because of PR nightmares, teams balk. And I think the interest is giving confidence to others that it isn't radioactive.

Fixed.

 

[True Blue]

Well he traded stepan for him to begin with knowing ADAs history...
Then there was the lias andersson debacle...
The Mcdonagh trade...
Kravtsov last year...
Yeah lots of head scratchers.

Trading Stepan and Raante for DeAngelo and the #7 pick was one of the more fantastic trades ever. EVERYONE beat their chest about it. NOW, you are questioning it?

Would you rather have McD now? How are you affording him?

Kravstov ran home, then wised up and is having a great year. What is the issue?

Sorry, not seeing head scratchers.

 

[mas0764]

Moving Stepan was necessary just to avoid getting locked into that extension.

It's unfortunate the talent ran out at 5 in that draft and we couldn't find the gems afterwards (like Necas).

You still make that deal all day long. If anything I'd perhaps be more critical of them not then parlaying assets to get into the top 5. I don't know if such deals were available but I'm of the opinion that it's often a matter of how much you are willing to pay.

 

[Bluto]

The ADA situation sucks. He's an asshole, and i think even his most ardent supporters would agree with that. I was always in the camp that he's a good hockey player and I can ignore the fact that he's a hothead who would have made an excellent addition to the cast of Jersey Shore. But the lengths some people went to drag his name through the dirt were just uncalled for. You guys got what you wanted, he's cancelled. He has no value. Nobody claimed him on waivers because he has no value. Why would you trade an asset for someone an entire fanbase and organization has painted as a neo-nazi? And some of the same posters who have been complaining about ADA since he arrived here think that NYR is going to get an asset for him. Why? Youve cancelled him. He has no value. You got what he wanted, hes likely out of the league. Hell anytime ADA comes up on the mainboards, no other fanbase wants him... partially due to the slander some NYR fans have spread of him. Classic case of you cant have your cake and eat it to.
The only way i see ADA getting traded is if a really bad contract is coming back or its a low draft pick where the other team says 'well we can just waive ADA when he acts up and lost nothing for him'. It really wouldnt surprise me if he ends up in Europe.
I am not defending the guy, but the ravenous rush to crush the man just arent fun posts to read and often times, contribute nothing to the conversation. Maybe in the future we can not contribute to the destruction of our own assets.

 

[True Blue]

Don't forget Kakko last season who publicly criticized the coaching not allowing him to play his own style of hockey

What coach in the league is going to allow an 18 year old to play their own style? Or any coach going to allow someone to play outside the system and structure.

Kakko's style was dangling though players inferior to him. Highly doubtful that works in the NHL.

 

[Don Chytil]

Maybe in the future we can not contribute to the destruction of our own assets.

 

[duhmetreE]

What coach in the league is going to allow an 18 year old to play their own style? Or any coach going to allow someone to play outside the system and structure.

Kakko's style was dangling though players inferior to him. Highly doubtful that works in the NHL.

he did it in the World Cup though.

 

[True Blue]

Again if it was such an issue the team team shouldn't have signed him.

When he was resigned, he had been a model citizen for 1.5 years.

It's complete bs to say all of the sudden the room can't get along with him.

And yet it was happening.

You could see last year the camaraderie this team had including ADA.

Last year was last year. This year was completely different.