Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXVIII - Calm in the eye of Desolation?

[NYRFAN218]

Can DeAngelo file some sort of grievance against the Rangers if they told him to stay home the rest of the season with full pay? Because doing that and buying him out after the season sure seems preferable to retaining half his salary next season just in terms of the cap.

 

[Trxjw]

I don’t love the idea of the Rangers having to retain for 2 years but at this point it’s probably what needs to be done

If they can keep any contract they get back under $3m then it's basically a wash in terms of allocated money. Not too worried about that. More worried about them seeing value where there isn't much. I have a lot of faith in this front office in most areas but pro scouting has been dodgy.

 

[NYR]

We are talking about how Herman's BS report that the Rangers were concerned about DeAngelo's treatment of Miller and how that would lead to teams being wary of claiming him.

Herman don't know shit.
How has he treated Miller in a bad way?
What reason would he have to do that?
Is there any concrete evidence? Because I find that a little hard to believe if it's coming from the wash women on this forum.
If he actually did it then that's a different story but how about some legit info?

 

[TominNC]

People have reported that it was a sarcastic comment. Nobody has reported otherwise. Maybe the reporters are understating it but there's more evidence that it was "only something sarcastic" than not unless you are bringing your preconceptions about DeAngelo into it.

Who has reported "sarcastic"? I've read that he was getting on Georgiev, that they had words, etc.

Carpiniello reported it as "DeAngelo had been riding him in the tunnel about failing to make a save on the Sidney Crosby overtime goal and Georgiev snapped, apparently."

"Riding" him is more than a "sarcastic comment". I think those who are purposefully softening Tony's actions may also have an agenda.

 

[JT Kreider]

Herman don't know shit.
How has he treated Miller in a bad way?
What reason would he have to do that?
Is there any concrete evidence? Because I find that a little hard to believe if it's coming from the wash women on this forum.
If he actually did it then that's a different story but how about some legit info?

I agree it was BS and Herman hasnt even tweeted since he walked back on his comments on Monday morning and then given the smackdown by JD calling him a "fan blog".

The best part was that Herman said he had "immense anxiety" when he posted his BS story about the puck. I cant imagine how high his anxiety is now.

 

[NYR]

I agree it was BS and Herman hasnt even tweeted since he walked back on his comments on Monday morning and then given the smackdown by JD calling him a "fan blog".

Exactly.. I'm about ready to post that Britney video.
Don't make me do it!!

 

[Cmox]

I'm not defending anyone but what racist comments has he made, exactly?

I think @JT Kreider is quoting hypothetical twitter replies. Which definitely would happen.

 

[Svenhart2008]

Maybe TDA passed through waivers because the Rangers didn’t debunk the other rumors of the incident until after he cleared?

 

[Trxjw]

If anyone hasn't heard it, Dreger's interview on TSN1040 Vancouver is actually WAY more interesting than the Insider Trading segment:
https://post.futurimedia.com/ckstam/playlist/10/listen-29581.html

Starts around 26 min (18:25ish remaining on the scrubber).

Hosts lead in with basically "Who could possibly want DeAngelo" and Dreger pretty much shits on that premise. Notes what a lot of us have said about a GM possibly thinking he has the right coach and mix of players to keep him in line while realizing the talent there. Says the gamble isn't necessarily in the player and his character, but the $4.8m cap hit. Even says someone in the Rangers room told him that "9 times out of 10" Tony is a rock solid teammate but if it's that one exception, he's a total nut job that's screaming at everyone and the coaches.

Good listen for sure.

 

[nyr2k2]

Because of the optics and public perception

I think the optics and public perception are still pretty unfavorable towards DeAngelo at the moment, even knowing that the "he stole Miller's puck" thing was some degree of nonsense. It's something a team will have to face regardless, and there will also always be fans who are foaming at the mouth to tear down DeAngelo. He's a very risky PR move no matter what.

I'd be inclined to believe the Herman thing had an impact if some mainstream, national outlets picked up on it. If it had legs. The only mainstream reporting on it was to say it was crap or the random TSN guy that no one knows talking out of his ass about enabling. That never happened though, and it was just talk on Twitter and Reddit for a couple hours.

 

[RGY]

Calgary off to another rough start tonight. I know they came back and won in OT last game, but they have been very mediocre.

 

[TheBPA]

The fans wouldnt though.

Imagine the twitter replies to "We have claimed Tony DeAngelo off waivers"

"What? we claimed that racist POS who tormented his minority teammate? Glad you support racism too".

Honestly in most markets, possibly all markets other than the Canadian teams and a few select American markets, the fans would have little to no impact.

There’s no one in the arenas. What are the fans going to do, watch less local broadcasts on tv?

If he were to have a positive impact and help the team win games, the fans would surely come around by the time their opinions became relevant again.

And if not, they could buy him out or otherwise cut bait like the rangers would.

Now is in fact probably the best time to take on a guy who might initially be unpopular with your fan base.

 

[OverTheCap]

It is been explained many times by multiple posters, as well as what has been reported on by the media, that what Deangelo did extends well beyond a sarcastic remark.

Being willfully ignorant or deliberately obtuse about this matter is just annoying at this point.

 

[Trxjw]

Maybe TDA passed through waivers because the Rangers didn’t debunk the other rumors of the incident until after he cleared?

That's probably some of it, but it's mostly the fact that teams rarely want to take on big money without sending out big money. With a trade they can get Gorton to eat some money and maybe also off-load one of their own cap headaches in the process.

 

[NYR]

I think @JT Kreider is quoting the hypothetical twitter replies. Which definitely would happen.

"Potential Twitter replies"
Coming from who? Some 14 year old off the internet?
This nonsense has to stop...

 

[bleedblue94]

Someone earlier mentioned an ownership nixed Letang trade by rutherford prior to him resigning. Does anyone else know more on this trade?

That gig will be tough for whoever takes the job

 

[Overcast]

People have reported that it was a sarcastic comment. Nobody has reported otherwise. Maybe the reporters are understating it but there's more evidence that it was "only something sarcastic" than not unless you are bringing your preconceptions about DeAngelo into it.

The definition of "sarcastic" can drastically change from person to person. Doesn't sound like anyone besides ADA thought it was "sarcastic" or funny or necessary, teammates or front office. Like someone else had posted, as a teammate you should be trying to lift your teammate's spirits after a sucky loss, not trying to make some wise ass remark and "sarcastically" shitting on them. If Geo had a history of blowing his gasket just because of snide remarks directed at him then I would put some weight into that, but ADA is the one with the colorful history here. The fact that there hasn't been a single peep through any outlet about disciplining Geo is more than telling for me that he wasn't the one poking and prodding. Geo wasn't the one that attacked another teammate in the process of the scrum being broken up either.

 

[Sayba]

Who has reported "sarcastic"? I've read that he was getting on Georgiev, that they had words, etc.

Carpiniello reported it as "DeAngelo had been riding him in the tunnel about failing to make a save on the Sidney Crosby overtime goal and Georgiev snapped, apparently."

"Riding" him is more than a "sarcastic comment". I think those who are purposefully softening Tony's actions may also have an agenda.

This entire board was riding Georgiev

 

[Cmox]

"Potential Twitter replies"
Coming from who? Some 14 year old off the internet?
This nonsense has to stop...

Sorry for the “hypothetical” edit before you can reply. I’ve posted once or twice about the twitter behavior towards ADA so I get it. Sadly twitter has a huge pull these days no matter how many bots or multiple accounts exist on either side.

 

[Ruggs225]

If anyone hasn't heard it, Dreger's interview on TSN1040 Vancouver is actually WAY more interesting than the Insider Trading segment:
https://post.futurimedia.com/ckstam/playlist/10/listen-29581.html

Starts around 26 min (18:25ish remaining on the scrubber).

Hosts lead in with basically "Who could possibly want DeAngelo" and Dreger pretty much shits on that premise. Notes what a lot of us have said about a GM possibly thinking he has the right coach and mix of players to keep him in line while realizing the talent there. Says the gamble isn't necessarily in the player and his character, but the $4.8m cap hit. Even says someone in the Rangers room told him that "9 times out of 10" Tony is a rock solid teammate but if it's that one exception, he's a total nut job that's screaming at everyone and the coaches.

Good listen for sure.

thanks for the post. Interesting for sure

 

[nyr2k2]

Honestly in most markets, possibly all markets other than the Canadian teams and a few select American markets, the fans would have little to no impact.

There’s no one in the arenas. What are the fans going to do, watch less local broadcasts on tv?

If he were to have a positive impact and help the team win games, the fans would surely come around by the time their opinions became relevant again.

And if not, they could buy him out or otherwise cut bait like the rangers would.

Now is in fact probably the best time to take on a guy who might initially be unpopular with your fan base.

IMO the fans that would have called for boycotts of their teams or other crazy things if they acquired a puck-stealing DeAngelo are probably going to be upset if the team acquires a non-puck-stealing DeAngelo. Point being, the people that hate him will hate him; the Herman thing may have made them louder and increased their numbers somewhat, but it's not as if DeAngelo was a controversial figure only because of that. He's controversial for many reasons that we all know and fans would react to his acquisition accordingly.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

If anyone hasn't heard it, Dreger's interview on TSN1040 Vancouver is actually WAY more interesting than the Insider Trading segment:
https://post.futurimedia.com/ckstam/playlist/10/listen-29581.html

Starts around 26 min (18:25ish remaining on the scrubber).

Hosts lead in with basically "Who could possibly want DeAngelo" and Dreger pretty much shits on that premise. Notes what a lot of us have said about a GM possibly thinking he has the right coach and mix of players to keep him in line while realizing the talent there. Says the gamble isn't necessarily in the player and his character, but the $4.8m cap hit. Even says someone in the Rangers room told him that "9 times out of 10" Tony is a rock solid teammate but if it's that one exception, he's a total nut job that's screaming at everyone and the coaches.

Good listen for sure.

That was a good blip and he was less modest than he was on Insider Trading about the reasons why teams are interested. I'm still not getting my hopes up about any sort of valuable return, but it sounds like there's enough genuine interest in ADA to get some sort of "hockey deal" done.

 

[Do you want ants]

Come down from the soapbox....no one is listening

What soap box? You trade him for the best return, even if it’s in the division.

 

[Mandar]

What soap box? You trade him for the best return, even if it’s in the division.

That last sentence of your post which you evidently forgot about.

And him just being gone is already a great return....anything we get back would be icing on the cupcake

 

[archanfelnsx]

Can DeAngelo file some sort of grievance against the Rangers if they told him to stay home the rest of the season with full pay? Because doing that and buying him out after the season sure seems preferable to retaining half his salary next season just in terms of the cap.

He’s basically a healthy scratch so no, I don’t think he has any sort of argument. I think it depends on the package that the Rangers are being offered right now from other teams. If they get something back of value that worth eating the cap hit for next season then they could make a trade. If not the Rangers know the worst case scenario would be to sit him out the whole season and buy him out in the offseason.