Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXV - French disconnect in NYC?

[bleedblue94]

Funny that there is no GDT up yet, seems the air is out of the balloon around here now ha

 

[Barnaby]

Gallant likely has his shortcomings too. No coach is perfect. But sometimes you just need a shake up with the coaching staff. There have been too many instances where this team just has not looked ready to play. Not enough jump in their game. They dont have that relentless effort, buzzing around the ice. So, it comes down to the coach. And frankly, I do not see Quinn as the guy to get us to that next level.

I do think Quinn will likely be replaced after another season or two for when this team really looks to compete. I don’t see it happening in season, especially this year. To be honest, in a shortened season and trying to pick up a new system on the fly isn’t likely to work either. I think your better off hoping for a turnaround.

 

[NYSPORTS]

ADA has been bad but not Strome BRUTAL and ADA sat for 2 games where Strome was constant flaming garbage in those as well. Had ADA played maybe I'd be saying the same about him lol

the Rangers didn’t want to toy with team dynamics b/c things were going well last year. They shouldn’t have been baited into abandoning the idea of moving Strome and Kredier out at the trade deadline b/c it’s still a rebuild.

Strome’s contract is short so his contract isn’t as disappointing as his play while the power forward in Kreider has a problem contract already. That contract could be the difference between resigning Buch or not. And if Buch is resigned, no question the Rangers will lose out on either retaining or obtaining another talent.

 

[kovazub94]

But, but, but they are becoming better 200 foot players....SMH

These kids need to continue their offensive development and learn the defensive side of the game later when they mature a bit.

I'd staple Laf to Mika's LW and KK to his RW move CK to the LW on the 3rd line.

The instructions to that line would be simply. SCORE GOALS.

There would be no juggling.

AL - MZ - KK
AP - RS - PB
CK - FC - PDG (until VK arrives)
BL - BH - CB

How would they be able to score goals if they will be stuck in their own zone defending all the time against other teams' top lines?

 

[kovazub94]

Fox is great. Amazing. But I would still put ADA ON PP1 for a while. and add Buch. Strome, Laf, KK, Fox and Miller on PP2

Same, could help jump start ADA with a bit more time on PP, and Fox could help settle down PP2.

 

[kovazub94]

Torts was the fiery idiot whose teams had to play defense because he couldn’t develop an offensive plan ( those groans grew louder with the use of Gaborik and then Nash). Along the way he destroyed our roster with his diving on the puck strategies, despite having the best goalie in the world.

AV was the smug idiot who inherited a roster from Torts and had people claiming we made it to the finals in spite of him, not because of him. So those snipes starter 2014/15 timeframe.

In the 23 years I’ve been here, I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a coach stay in the board’s good graces much beyond the second season.

And once these coaches are elsewhere - they seemed to return back to board's good graces. Paradox..

 

[TheBloodyNine]

And once these coaches are elsewhere - they seemed to return back to board's good graces. Paradox..

I can't speak for anyone else but for me, for shit sure, neither Torts or AV are in my good graces at this point. You can see the problems we had with both of those coaches permeating into their new teams. Tom Renney, that might be a different story!

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Give me a good team and ill show you a good coach, AV was almost run out of town because this team was on a downward spiral, now he is smart again i guess?
Maybe Quinn is or isn't the right guy but all the guys who did the most scoring for us last year look like they're playing pickup hockey so its hard to judge this team or this coach. If I'm moving on from Quinn its not for the reasons most are saying, system or misuse of the kids, ill move on from him to send a message to the vets that when you play like this someone loses their job, as I do get the idea that the players like Quinn as a person.

 

[cwede]

quite the churn, that is it hasn't included Smith/Johnson confounds me
New York Rangers Hockey Transactions | TSN
Wed, Jan 27 Anthony Greco, RW - Sent to minors Hartford-AHL
Wed, Jan 27 Colin Blackwell, RW - Designated for assignment Taxi squad
Tue, Jan 26 Anthony Greco, RW - Designated for assignment Taxi squad
Tue, Jan 26 Colin Blackwell, RW - Called up from minors from taxi squad
Mon, Jan 25 Colin Blackwell, RW - Designated for assignment Taxi squad
Sun, Jan 24 Colin Blackwell, RW - Called up from minors from taxi squad

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And once these coaches are elsewhere - they seemed to return back to board's good graces. Paradox..

Not AV.

He still sucks.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Did you guys see that tidbit that Rutherford walked away from the Pens because they had an internal fight about him almost trading Letang?

 

[leetch99]

Have to get ada back on pp1, without that spot (and being effective there) his role on this team is limited at best as just a 3rd pair d man. ada on pp1 means fox has more mins to be played at even strength which is better for everyone.

One of the replies that makes lots of sense in many ways. Tony feeds off the PP1 time and say what you want so do our forwards out there on PP1...everything happens faster and crisper without indecisiveness . Confidence will pick up as a whole for all and then the foot speed and fore check will come . Win win !

I still say as Tony goes....so goes the Rangers whether most want to believe it or not . Tony is an on ice offensive catalyst as good as any driving offense throughout the league . His rushing skills and jumping in on the rush were second to none last season . His defensive side of things though are lacking and that is when he has to have his mates picking up for him....work in progress.....

 

[LORDE]

I get everything you are saying, BUT if ada had his big long term contract where would that put things. As I said in another post he HAS to be on pp1 for whatever team he is on, because he is not going to eat up 5v5 minutes, and on this team it makes even more sense bc it allows fox to eat more 5v5 mins by playing less on pp. That being said, I am not comparing strome and ada play per say, but their utility to this team when they aren't being affective. Strome is not an asset if he isn't clicking with panarin, ada is not an asset when he isn't driving the pp. One is disposable, the other we have people advocating still to give a long term contract to. You dont give those contracts to players that are limited to only being affective if their game is clicking. Fox can struggle and still be a positive asset to the team. I would also argue Lindgren is a guy I would be more comfortable giving a long term deal to than ada (NOT at the same dollar amount obviously) bc even if his game is not entirely clicking he can still be a positive asset to the team eating 5v5 mins and killing pims

Fair assessment of long term ADA contract. It would be quite the gamble.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

One of the replies that makes lots of sense in many ways. Tony feeds off the PP1 time and say what you want so do our forwards out there on PP1...everything happens faster and crisper without indecisiveness . Confidence will pick up as a whole for all and then the foot speed and fore check will come . Win win !

I still say as Tony goes....so goes the Rangers whether most want to believe it or not . Tony is an on ice offensive catalyst as good as any driving offense throughout the league . His rushing skills and jumping in on the rush were second to none last season . His defensive side of things though are lacking and that is when he has to have his mates picking up for him....work in progress.....

I think you spelled Mika wrong with regards to who the heatbeat of the team is. Also...watch Tony in his own end, Lidstrom couldn't predict what he is gonna do.

 

[leetch99]

I think you spelled Mika wrong with regards to who the heatbeat of the team is. Also...watch Tony in his own end, Lidstrom couldn't predict what he is gonna do.

Maybe you should go back and look at the record of the club when Mika missed 15 games last season and I also did mention TD's defensive work in my reply. I don't remember many end to end rushes by Mika . Those breakouts start somewhere in the Ranger end as a rule . I know you hate Tony...LOL....No big deal.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Maybe you should go back and look at the record of the club when Mika missed 15 games last season and I also did mention TD's defensive work in my reply. I don't remember many end to end rushes by Mika . Those breakouts start somewhere in the Ranger end as a rule . I know you hate Tony...LOL....No big deal.

I don't know Tony in any way to dislike him. I dislike his play as a defenseman though.

 

[bernmeister]

Strome + lottery protected 1 in 2022 ( becomes unprotected in 2023). May need a small add or replace 1st with ADA ? for RyJo. He’s signed thru 25 so we may need compensation for that. Hopefully he and Bread got along well

RyJo is 8 per 3 extra seasons comp to Deangelo

Our 1st off da table, Deang we wanna move makes room for Nils L.
would do a $ deal, not as much a hockey trade, something around

Deangelo 4.8 x 2
Strome 4.5 x 2
Brendan Smith, 4.35 expiring
JJohnson 1.15 expiring
is a total of 14.75 total

At half RyJo is 8 reduced to 4 x 5 = 20

This gives NY more immediate cap room while taking on a bit down the road.
Preds save $.

however, Nashville only has 3.6+ current space
14.75 - 4 = 10.75, too much cap dif this yr

So we would have to do like Kinkaid 825k expiring for Rinne 5m per expiring to narrow that gap
5 - .825 = 4.175 dif

both deals =
10.75 dif
- 4.175 dif
= 6.575

which is still too much but deduct the 3.6+ space Nash has now and if can manufacture another 3m in cap it can do this.

OP title is trash for trash...

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Strome + lottery protected 1 in 2022 ( becomes unprotected in 2023). May need a small add or replace 1st with ADA ? for RyJo. He’s signed thru 25 so we may need compensation for that. Hopefully he and Bread got along well

it would have to be Strome plus some Dman like Hajek for Johansen + 1st rounder

 

[True Blue]

II don’t think Quinn gets a gold star for misusing Kakko for a year before figuring it out. Making similar mistakes with Lafreniere too.

Ok, I'll bite. How did he misuse Kakko and is currently misusing Lagreniere?

 

[True Blue]

But I simply refuse to believe that Kakko and Lafreniere, despite being billed as way above average for first/second overall picks, have to own their struggles and it’s all on them cause they need more time. I do not buy it. I do not buy that Lafreniere in year 1 and Kakko in year two do not look capable of approaching Svechnikov’s 0.45 ppg pace in his own rookie year. Lafreniere has a goose egg. Kakko has 2 points in six games but they are two one-timer goals and he does not really control the puck or the play in the offensive zone yet and it was supposed to be his specialty. He does not look electric at all. I do not believe that these two guys are just whiffs on expectations. There is SOMETHING that the staff isn’t doing right with these kids. In conjunction with Kravtsov and Andersson it becomes more apparent; there is probably something off with what they are asking of these kids. Youth dominates the league like at no other time, I do not buy that Kakko wasn’t ready to look like Svechnikov. Not after I see it repeating with Lafreniere.

Everyone develops at their own pace. Kakko moved continents as an 18 year old.

Lafreniere is a in a completely different situation than any other first round pick. You cannot just pretend that no hockey in 10 months, a two week camp and no exhibition games has not had any effect on a 19 year old rookie. That is a material reason for ANYONE to struggle. And it is not like he is struggling. He is not on the scoresheet. If some of the vets pulled their heads out of their tukhuses, he would have had some points. And Kakko wuld have more.

 

[True Blue]

Quinn deserves a lot of scrutiny and pressure but he hasn’t been given a full deck to play with. Gorton needs a little more time to get the right pieces in order. This is still a rebuild.

Exactly. Want to talk about inability to stick with some lines, Strome on PP1 and Johnson? Ok. But there are so other factors that are not being considered.

The kids are not regressing. They are not the issue. The goaltending (Allaire) has been. The veteran leaders are. Want to say that there is an issue with Panarin, Strome, Krieder, ZBad and Quinn? That can be a fair debate as far as where laziness and improper coaching fits in.

 

[Savant]

Fox is great. Amazing. But I would still put ADA ON PP1 for a while. and add Buch. Strome, Laf, KK, Fox and Miller on PP2

If ADA is going to be stuck on PP2 there is no reason to keep him. But who is there left to trade for him.

 

[SA16]

If ADA is going to be stuck on PP2 there is no reason to keep him. But who is there left to trade for him.

Why do people hate depth? What if you traded ADA and Fox gets hurt? Now you're stuck with a massive downgrade in Trouba on PP1. This is the old "redundancy" argument which makes no sense as it is just an argument against having good players.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Why do people hate depth? What if you traded ADA and Fox gets hurt? Now you're stuck with a massive downgrade in Trouba on PP1. This is the old "redundancy" argument which makes no sense as it is just an argument against having good players.

I think K'andre could step in

 

[True Blue]

ADA has been bad but not Strome BRUTAL and ADA sat for 2 games where Strome was constant flaming garbage in those as well. Had ADA played maybe I'd be saying the same about him lol

So one is Redden and one is Staal?